John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Myles isn't getting traded and we can't afford him if he were.

I mean we actually can afford him based on how much the browns eat. I agree they won't be trading him because of that and the fact that he's an animal. I see a massive extension in his future

yeah and it's up to him if he wants to extend or not so he has leverage. he's a long suffering brown so they will honor his request. he wants to go to a contender and is from texas.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Myles isn't getting traded and we can't afford him if he were.

I mean we actually can afford him based on how much the browns eat. I agree they won't be trading him because of that and the fact that he's an animal. I see a massive extension in his future

I trade Nick for Myles in a heartbeat. Garrett is consistent and has shown the ability to close out. Nick for all his talent has disappeared in two SB losses and he's the highest paid DL in the league.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If the Ninewrfs are tardeting an edge rusher inthe first round it would be worth trading 2 first rounders and change for garrett. If theyare looking for interior help orO lineman than it's a different story. We all have our opinions on what they need but we don't know who Lynch and Kyle are really targeting.

If they draft an OL at 11 with the intention of them being a guard only, I'm gonna slap someone. That s**t can be taken care of on day 2/3 (Puni says hi).

imo there isn't a OT worth taking at 11. I think Campbell could work out at OT, but he might end up as a IOL in the NFL.

IMO Burford is gonna end up as the LG and they might possibly sign a center FA. Toss in some developmental lineman on day 2/3. Folks might want to be prepared for that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Myles isn't getting traded and we can't afford him if he were.

I mean we actually can afford him based on how much the browns eat. I agree they won't be trading him because of that and the fact that he's an animal. I see a massive extension in his future

Not just the cap but we can't afford spending more draft picks to get 1 player. Our depth is non existent we need to reload in the most desperate way. We went all in and loss let's not continue that trend and start rebuilding with young talent. I want Myles Garrett and in a dream world it would be sweet but the cost as far as cap and team building would be crippling.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Not just the cap but we can't afford spending more draft picks to get 1 player. Our depth is non existent we need to reload in the most desperate way. We went all in and loss let's not continue that trend and start rebuilding with young talent. I want Myles Garrett and in a dream world it would be sweet but the cost as far as cap and team building would be crippling.

what about 'bold' moves those, those are always good, cuz they are bold, or do we forget that line of thinking

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Myles isn't getting traded and we can't afford him if he were.

I mean we actually can afford him based on how much the browns eat. I agree they won't be trading him because of that and the fact that he's an animal. I see a massive extension in his future

Not just the cap but we can't afford spending more draft picks to get 1 player. Our depth is non existent we need to reload in the most desperate way. We went all in and loss let's not continue that trend and start rebuilding with young talent. I want Myles Garrett and in a dream world it would be sweet but the cost as far as cap and team building would be crippling.

no one knows what it would cost... some thought CMC was a dream scenario also

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I explained this on another post.

Kyle Shanahan seemed to trust solid veteran OT's going from Joe Staley to Trent Williams. I doubt they rely on Jaylon Moore if Trent Williams were to retire next season.

Same can be said for DE, we don't need Garrett to go on a Super Bowl run. the 49ers got to two Super Bowls without two elite DE's. Can't say they got to two Super Bowls without a solid LT.

They started McG from day 1. They literally cut Colton and now he's going to be the starting RT for the 3rd yr. Kyle was given Joe and he got a godfather deal to trade for Trent. Also why we acting like Trent is dead? Last I checked he isn't retire and just got paid to play. Ankle issues, off field issues and how the season went…there was no reason to put him out there.

not the same can't be said at DE. This isn't some exotic scheme on defense. They rush 4 and never blitz. We saw what happened when that doesn't work. People seem to forgot that we had Ford/bosa/AA/buck in 2019. Last yr they still had two very good pass rushing DTs and Bosa.

there's a reason they draft and pay DL. There's a reason they don't spend up for OL. One side is so heavily scheme based with good play makers on offense. The other is legit we just have better players up front than you do.

again THIS draft is not good at the top. Just isn't. It's not chock full of blue chip talent. I'll bet SF (and others) don't have 11 1st rd grades on this class.

I'm saying when Trent retires trade for a LT if anything.

And they did go to the Super Bowl with Dee Ford and Bosa but what did the 49ers give up to get Dee Ford, he was hardly elite. The 49ers could sign Josh Sweat to compliment Bosa and they would be good on the D-line. They don't need to spend the farm for Myles Garrett to get that same production or to get to the Super Bowl. Yes, the 49ers have had good pass rushing DT's and that's exactly what they need, like I said they could trade up for Mason Graham too, which shouldn't be as expensive as Abdul Carter. And the 49ers would be getting them on rookie deals.

Tell me, have the 49ers ever gave up the farm to get to the Super Bowl? There's so many ways the 49ers can go without giving up the farm for Myles Garrett.

Originally posted by jcs:
I trade Nick for Myles in a heartbeat. Garrett is consistent and has shown the ability to close out. Nick for all his talent has disappeared in two SB losses and he's the highest paid DL in the league.

I think Myles is better. Doesn't really improve the team massively in that situation. We would still need another top end DE.

Bosa was legit one of the best players on the field in the 2019 SB.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Not just the cap but we can't afford spending more draft picks to get 1 player. Our depth is non existent we need to reload in the most desperate way. We went all in and loss let's not continue that trend and start rebuilding with young talent. I want Myles Garrett and in a dream world it would be sweet but the cost as far as cap and team building would be crippling.

what about 'bold' moves those, those are always good, cuz they are bold, or do we forget that line of thinking

I still like having a FO that will make a bold move. At least I'm not foolish enough to think Myles Garrett's gonna be traded for a 3rd round pick.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Myles isn't getting traded and we can't afford him if he were.

I mean we actually can afford him based on how much the browns eat. I agree they won't be trading him because of that and the fact that he's an animal. I see a massive extension in his future

Not just the cap but we can't afford spending more draft picks to get 1 player. Our depth is non existent we need to reload in the most desperate way. We went all in and loss let's not continue that trend and start rebuilding with young talent. I want Myles Garrett and in a dream world it would be sweet but the cost as far as cap and team building would be crippling.

no one knows what it would cost... some thought CMC was a dream scenario also

Okay I'm cool with trading for Myles Garrett if we get the Lakers for Luka discount.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Not just the cap but we can't afford spending more draft picks to get 1 player. Our depth is non existent we need to reload in the most desperate way. We went all in and loss let's not continue that trend and start rebuilding with young talent. I want Myles Garrett and in a dream world it would be sweet but the cost as far as cap and team building would be crippling.

I mean if we're using the Mack trade…SF would have 7 picks this yr (without any trades) that's plenty of ammo to get depth.

for me, I don't really think the talent that is most likely available at 11 is great this yr. We should be able to find some good players on day 2/3 and we have plenty of those picks for depth and some solid starters. Much like we did last year in the draft.

The browns aren't gonna move him though. The literally can't afford it according to OTC.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I still like having a FO that will make a bold move. At least I'm not foolish enough to think Myles Garrett's gonna be traded for a 3rd round pick.

no one said he would. i mentioned what i would propose, they can turn it down and it was deebo and a 3rd. that's not a prediction, it's an offer they can take it or leave it. von miller got a 2 and a 3. when he went to LA. these things often don't go for as much as you may think, cuz the player has leverage. a team may want to give more picks, but the player won't play or extend there so it's moot. we got nothing for prime TO, for example. so that's just a hunch, he'll go for less than ppl think, but more than a round 3 surely.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
I trade Nick for Myles in a heartbeat. Garrett is consistent and has shown the ability to close out. Nick for all his talent has disappeared in two SB losses and he's the highest paid DL in the league.

I think Myles is better. Doesn't really improve the team massively in that situation. We would still need another top end DE.

Bosa was legit one of the best players on the field in the 2019 SB.

I saw someone say trade Bosa AND #11 for Garrett...absolute insanity IMO.

People have their weird beef with Nick but forget the main reason for his lack of production lately is the rest of the DL producing allowing Bosa to get extra attention. If we're making this move then pairing the two of them is critical.

Even if you were thinking Garrett is better(2 years older) he's sure as hell not #11 overall extra better.

And yes people definitely forget how good Nick has been in the playoffs for most of his life.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm saying when Trent retires trade for a LT if anything.

And they did go to the Super Bowl with Dee Ford and Bosa but what did the 49ers give up to get Dee Ford, he was hardly elite. The 49ers could sign Josh Sweat to compliment Bosa and they would be good on the D-line. They don't need to spend the farm for Myles Garrett to get that same production or to get to the Super Bowl. Yes, the 49ers have had good pass rushing DT's and that's exactly what they need, like I said they could trade up for Mason Graham too, which shouldn't be as expensive as Abdul Carter. And the 49ers would be getting them on rookie deals.

Tell me, have the 49ers ever gave up the farm to get to the Super Bowl? There's so many ways the 49ers can go without giving up the farm for Myles Garrett.

We have no clue when that is. So why are we worrying about it? Trent looked great when he played all the same. He's under contract for 2 more years, which is a life time in the NFL. I want them to go get a young LT when Trent is done and have him as a starter for his full rookie contract.

Ford was injured, but when he did play his pressure and sack rate was stupid elite. Buck and AA were amazing. We've lost that and tried replacing it with multiple bad draft picks and older expensive vets.

F Josh sweat and his 6 sacks a yr. I'm not paying him $15M a yr for that. They already got that with Floyd. No more half ass DEs. Go get someone that matters. Go get Myles or Maxx. f**k them picks!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I still like having a FO that will make a bold move. At least I'm not foolish enough to think Myles Garrett's gonna be traded for a 3rd round pick.

no one said he would. i mentioned what i would propose, they can turn it down and it was deebo and a 3rd. that's not a prediction, it's an offer they can take it or leave it. von miller got a 2 and a 3. when he went to LA. these things often don't go for as much as you may think, cuz the player has leverage. a team may want to give more picks, but the player won't play or extend there so it's moot. we got nothing for prime TO, for example. so that's just a hunch, he'll go for less than ppl think, but more than a round 3 surely.

Deebo isn't worth anything. Receivers in general aren't worth much. Miller was 32 and wasn't coming off a DPOTY award. Myles is in the team friendly portion of his contract from what I see.