John Lynch - 49ers GM

Kyle Shanahan is a great offensive minded head coach but sometimes I wonder whether his experience in Washington as his dad OC working with RG3 is clouding his judgment when its comes to QB. He says CJ Beathard is best QB in the building well we need to bring in a real QB from outside the building Colin Kaepernick is flat out a better QB his last year in the NFL he threw 16td to 4 ints he is mobile great arm talent I understand when Jimmy G comes back he is your guy going forward but we need a better back up plan I'm sick and tired of watching CJ Beathard I get it he is your hand picked 3rd round pick but he is a turnover machine he is not mobile he fumbles and throw interceptions like its 2nd nature to him face it he is a bust. Time to bring in a QB to rally the troops and breath some life into our dead offense 39-10 vs. the Rams on alumni day at Levi stadium in front of all the great former 49ers while wearing the 94 superbowl team jersey is disgusting its a very hard day to be 49ers fan just because your dad got ran out of Washington because of RG3 you seem now hell bent on not signing or drafting a black QBs its a mistake that may cost you your job we passed on Patty Mahomes 1st round pick #10 and Deshaun Watson 1st round pick #12 for Solomon Thomas 1st round pick #3 big mistake now your stubbornly passing on Kaepernick who is a free agent for CJ the turnover machine Beathard big mistake even Stevie Wonder could see your making a mistake. We lost Jimmy G for the season we sign Tom Savage a horrible journey man QB because he fits your so called system only if your system is called sign the trash can talentless pathetic immobile white QB and continue to black ball the more talented more qualified Black QB

Kap is a better playmaker but not within the system. He may win a few games that CJ won't but at the cost of not staying within the system and slowing the development of the OL trying to block for him and the WRs trying to learn the route trees and timing.

The system is hardly trash. If they can resolve the turnover issues the offense is Top 5-10 in the league while starting backups at QB and RB.

Originally posted by captveg:
Kap is a better playmaker but not within the system. He may win a few games that CJ won't but at the cost of not staying within the system and slowing the development of the OL trying to block for him and the WRs trying to learn the route trees and timing.

The system is hardly trash. If they can resolve the turnover issues the offense is Top 5-10 in the league while starting backups at QB and RB.

We have the #2 rushing offense, behind only the Rams. Imagine what we could do if we had a quarterback.

Edit: I was a huge Kap fan, but I agree with you about his returning to the Niners. My original post seemed to imply otherwise. I was referring only to Jimmy G. being gone.

Originally posted by 49erswagger:
Kyle Shanahan is a great offensive minded head coach but sometimes I wonder whether his experience in Washington as his dad OC working with RG3 is clouding his judgment when its comes to QB. He says CJ Beathard is best QB in the building well we need to bring in a real QB from outside the building Colin Kaepernick is flat out a better QB his last year in the NFL he threw 16td to 4 ints he is mobile great arm talent I understand when Jimmy G comes back he is your guy going forward but we need a better back up plan I'm sick and tired of watching CJ Beathard I get it he is your hand picked 3rd round pick but he is a turnover machine he is not mobile he fumbles and throw interceptions like its 2nd nature to him face it he is a bust. Time to bring in a QB to rally the troops and breath some life into our dead offense 39-10 vs. the Rams on alumni day at Levi stadium in front of all the great former 49ers while wearing the 94 superbowl team jersey is disgusting its a very hard day to be 49ers fan just because your dad got ran out of Washington because of RG3 you seem now hell bent on not signing or drafting a black QBs its a mistake that may cost you your job we passed on Patty Mahomes 1st round pick #10 and Deshaun Watson 1st round pick #12 for Solomon Thomas 1st round pick #3 big mistake now your stubbornly passing on Kaepernick who is a free agent for CJ the turnover machine Beathard big mistake even Stevie Wonder could see your making a mistake. We lost Jimmy G for the season we sign Tom Savage a horrible journey man QB because he fits your so called system only if your system is called sign the trash can talentless pathetic immobile white QB and continue to black ball the more talented more qualified Black QB

You're a 49ers fan I assume since you're posting here with that name...did you watch Kap play that year?

Honestly were people impressed with how he played? Posting the numbers on their own is fine but we all did watch him play right?

Do you remember the Chicago game? The game conditions certainly weren't perfect but Matt Barkley didn't struggle on that level.

I was one of the biggest Kap fans around but at some point it was time to stop and smell the reality. Kap is an exciting QB no question. He's got a huge arm, he can make some awesome plays happen with his legs but in this offense he would simply not be very good.

Bringing him in here when he hasn't played football in a year and a half and asking him to essentially play street ball would hurt the offense not help it. Not to mention you're adding all the extra media attention. It's not needed. The idea shouldn't even be brought up.

We hired Kyle for his offensive scheme. To bring in Colin you're basically saying "screw that, let's just see what happens".

Trust the process. It will work out in the end.

Is Kap good enough to play in the NFL? Absolutely. Is he worth signing for us? No way. He's not a QB who can play on a roster missing a lot of talent.

And this isn't a black QB vs a white QB issue. Turning it into that is totally uncalled for. Kap has had years to improve his ability reading defenses and going through progressions and leading the offense and he never got to the point where you could trust him every game.

Originally posted by 49erswagger:

Kyle Shanahan is a great offensive minded head coach but sometimes I wonder whether his experience in Washington as his dad OC working with RG3 is clouding his judgment when its comes to QB. He says CJ Beathard is best QB in the building well we need to bring in a real QB from outside the building Colin Kaepernick is flat out a better QB his last year in the NFL he threw 16td to 4 ints he is mobile great arm talent I understand when Jimmy G comes back he is your guy going forward but we need a better back up plan I'm sick and tired of watching CJ Beathard I get it he is your hand picked 3rd round pick but he is a turnover machine he is not mobile he fumbles and throw interceptions like its 2nd nature to him face it he is a bust. Time to bring in a QB to rally the troops and breath some life into our dead offense 39-10 vs. the Rams on alumni day at Levi stadium in front of all the great former 49ers while wearing the 94 superbowl team jersey is disgusting its a very hard day to be 49ers fan just because your dad got ran out of Washington because of RG3 you seem now hell bent on not signing or drafting a black QBs its a mistake that may cost you your job we passed on Patty Mahomes 1st round pick #10 and Deshaun Watson 1st round pick #12 for Solomon Thomas 1st round pick #3 big mistake now your stubbornly passing on Kaepernick who is a free agent for CJ the turnover machine Beathard big mistake even Stevie Wonder could see your making a mistake. We lost Jimmy G for the season we sign Tom Savage a horrible journey man QB because he fits your so called system only if your system is called sign the trash can talentless pathetic immobile white QB and continue to black ball the more talented more qualified Black QB

I stopped at Colin Kaepernick

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
I stopped at Colin Kaepernick

that and the guy who said cj is better than the rams qb

Originally posted by captveg:
Kap is a better playmaker but not within the system. He may win a few games that CJ won't but at the cost of not staying within the system and slowing the development of the OL trying to block for him and the WRs trying to learn the route trees and timing.

The system is hardly trash. If they can resolve the turnover issues the offense is Top 5-10 in the league while starting backups at QB and RB.

The idea that this system is trash is asinine. Even after the awful performance versus the Rams we're still 20th in points scored.

That's missing our starting QB, starting RB, having the backup RB be banged up quite a bit, missing top WRs or having them gimpy and a defense which can't get off the field.

The system on offense works and there is no question about it. Beathard is what he is...a capable backup who has terrible pocket presence.

Originally posted by 49erswagger:

Kyle Shanahan is a great offensive minded head coach but sometimes I wonder whether his experience in Washington as his dad OC working with RG3 is clouding his judgment when its comes to QB. He says CJ Beathard is best QB in the building well we need to bring in a real QB from outside the building Colin Kaepernick is flat out a better QB his last year in the NFL he threw 16td to 4 ints he is mobile great arm talent I understand when Jimmy G comes back he is your guy going forward but we need a better back up plan I'm sick and tired of watching CJ Beathard I get it he is your hand picked 3rd round pick but he is a turnover machine he is not mobile he fumbles and throw interceptions like its 2nd nature to him face it he is a bust. Time to bring in a QB to rally the troops and breath some life into our dead offense 39-10 vs. the Rams on alumni day at Levi stadium in front of all the great former 49ers while wearing the 94 superbowl team jersey is disgusting its a very hard day to be 49ers fan just because your dad got ran out of Washington because of RG3 you seem now hell bent on not signing or drafting a black QBs its a mistake that may cost you your job we passed on Patty Mahomes 1st round pick #10 and Deshaun Watson 1st round pick #12 for Solomon Thomas 1st round pick #3 big mistake now your stubbornly passing on Kaepernick who is a free agent for CJ the turnover machine Beathard big mistake even Stevie Wonder could see your making a mistake. We lost Jimmy G for the season we sign Tom Savage a horrible journey man QB because he fits your so called system only if your system is called sign the trash can talentless pathetic immobile white QB and continue to black ball the more talented more qualified Black QB

Wow. OK pack it in with the black qb white qb rubbish. I have seen no evidence that any of the decisions were race related. Unless you can produce solid evidence that Shanahan's decision, for example, was race-related then dont bring it into the equation.

By the way, Beathard is the 2nd string qb. Calling him a bust is rather absurd.

Kap hasn't played in 2 years. I doubt he is even working out since he probably knows he is done in the NFL. I don't know of many players let alone QB's that can be away from the game that long and come back and play at a high level. And Kap wasn't playing at a high level when he was replaced. This is a ridiculous idea and has nothing to do with race.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Kap hasn't played in 2 years. I doubt he is even working out since he probably knows he is done in the NFL. I don't know of many players let alone QB's that can be away from the game that long and come back and play at a high level. And Kap wasn't playing at a high level when he was replaced. This is a ridiculous idea and has nothing to do with race.

we have more issues on this team than qb. which is a issue but there is nothing that can be done about it. it is what it is this year

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Definitely got fleeced in the Trent Brown trade.

I like McGlinchey but there was no need to move T Brown before this season and for so little.

If you don't move him when we had an offer for him then you hold out hope a team is desperate for OT help before the deadline and willing to pay more for him. No guarantees and if you fail to move him then he walks.

Still got fleeced.

Or it speaks to how opposing teams value the player. Average run blocker at best + poor work ethic = not a ton of trade value.

Sure they had him as an elite starting left tackle good at pass blocking and good enough run blocker. We had him as an average run blocker with poor work ethic.

They paid for the averge right tackle average run blocker with poor work ethic (which that organization seemingly fixed) and got an elite left tackle.

We got a 5th round pick in exchange for an elite tackle. They got the better deal by a mile.

It happens. We got them good on the jimmy deal.

We got a 3rd, and gave them our 5th with Brown, in the same draft, on the 2nd day of the draft (abnormal).

Nov. 5, 2017. (Nhat V. Meyer/Bay Area News Group) The 49ers, according to ESPN, acquired a third-round draft pick from the Patriots (No. 95 overall) in exchange for Brown and a fifth-round pick (No. 143, which the 49ers acquired in last season's trade with the New York Jets for cornerback Rashard Robinson).

Brown is nowhere close to an elite T. If he were he'd be a 49er. He's always been extremely overrated on this board, and that has only magnified since he was traded. The fact is, right now in NE with the best QB of all time, he's a mediocre T.

I dont know what games you guys were watching but the guy was an elite pass blocker and he's showed up consistently. He legit just shut down Khalil Mack last weekend - DPOY bad ass, averaging a sack a game Khalil Mack... He was not a good run blocker however and definitely wasn't fit for the zone scheme Kyle ran. I understand the trade, just think we should've got much mroe for him.

This + his contract this year makes him worth much more than what we got from him. For those talking his PFF grade - he was graded as a top 10 LT in 2017 even though he was in a zone scheme that didn't fit him. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-entering-2018

Once again, due to the scarcity of OT's - he was worth much more than a 3rd. Not to mention that we traded a 5th. Just look at Okung's paycheck or even Nate Solder's - two much older players, both over 30, both coming off of worse seasons, getting paydays like that. Shoot, the Seahawks traded a 2nd, a 5th and Jeremy Lane for a 32 year old Duane Brown on a 10mil contract after he sat out the first 6 games of the season.

Based on the market, if we were patient, I think we would have and should have received much more for Trent Brown. And I don't even think you can make much of an argument that that isn't true.

Agree with everything but the bolded. He could've played the last few weeks of the season, but he made a business decision over playing for the team.

As did Duane Brown...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erswagger:

Kyle Shanahan is a great offensive minded head coach but sometimes I wonder whether his experience in Washington as his dad OC working with RG3 is clouding his judgment when its comes to QB. He says CJ Beathard is best QB in the building well we need to bring in a real QB from outside the building Colin Kaepernick is flat out a better QB his last year in the NFL he threw 16td to 4 ints he is mobile great arm talent I understand when Jimmy G comes back he is your guy going forward but we need a better back up plan I'm sick and tired of watching CJ Beathard I get it he is your hand picked 3rd round pick but he is a turnover machine he is not mobile he fumbles and throw interceptions like its 2nd nature to him face it he is a bust. Time to bring in a QB to rally the troops and breath some life into our dead offense 39-10 vs. the Rams on alumni day at Levi stadium in front of all the great former 49ers while wearing the 94 superbowl team jersey is disgusting its a very hard day to be 49ers fan just because your dad got ran out of Washington because of RG3 you seem now hell bent on not signing or drafting a black QBs its a mistake that may cost you your job we passed on Patty Mahomes 1st round pick #10 and Deshaun Watson 1st round pick #12 for Solomon Thomas 1st round pick #3 big mistake now your stubbornly passing on Kaepernick who is a free agent for CJ the turnover machine Beathard big mistake even Stevie Wonder could see your making a mistake. We lost Jimmy G for the season we sign Tom Savage a horrible journey man QB because he fits your so called system only if your system is called sign the trash can talentless pathetic immobile white QB and continue to black ball the more talented more qualified Black QB

You're a 49ers fan I assume since you're posting here with that name...did you watch Kap play that year?

Honestly were people impressed with how he played? Posting the numbers on their own is fine but we all did watch him play right?

Do you remember the Chicago game? The game conditions certainly weren't perfect but Matt Barkley didn't struggle on that level.

I was one of the biggest Kap fans around but at some point it was time to stop and smell the reality. Kap is an exciting QB no question. He's got a huge arm, he can make some awesome plays happen with his legs but in this offense he would simply not be very good.

Bringing him in here when he hasn't played football in a year and a half and asking him to essentially play street ball would hurt the offense not help it. Not to mention you're adding all the extra media attention. It's not needed. The idea shouldn't even be brought up.

We hired Kyle for his offensive scheme. To bring in Colin you're basically saying "screw that, let's just see what happens".

Trust the process. It will work out in the end.

Is Kap good enough to play in the NFL? Absolutely. Is he worth signing for us? No way. He's not a QB who can play on a roster missing a lot of talent.

And this isn't a black QB vs a white QB issue. Turning it into that is totally uncalled for. Kap has had years to improve his ability reading defenses and going through progressions and leading the offense and he never got to the point where you could trust him every game.

Agree.

And calling for Kap is irrational desperation. He would do well in the right scheme. Just not this one.

I am more mad about Lynch and Shanahan choosing Beathard over Mahomes.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I am more mad about Lynch and Shanahan choosing Beathard over Mahomes.

There was a significant difference in draft position. It wasnt just one or the other.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I am more mad about Lynch and Shanahan choosing Beathard over Mahomes.

There was a significant difference in draft position. It wasnt just one or the other.

Shanahan said he got the one QB in the draft who he wanted. Mahomes would have been a great pick at #3 instead of Thomas.