John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by NCommand:

True but usually you talk about a contract extension along with the trade itself. If it's doable, make the move. If not, it's not worth the draft pick.

That's true as well. This FO has shown it would rather wait for players than move draft picks to get them in a contract year. Jimmy was the rare exception. They seem hesitant to move picks for players

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by crusher49er:
Honestly I think lynch will be extra aggressive this offseason. He knows the pressure is on and the roster turnover is complete, his competitive nature won't let him sit back and go through another season like this. Money is there, spend it.

On who though? The FA market this year looks poor compared to this last off season (regarding our team needs).

I agree we need to spend some of our money, but it needs spent wisely.

In 2016 we were interested in Olivier Vernon and we were to a point as the beat writers noted. Once teams who were interested were starting to go over the 15 million APY, we bowed out. He ended up getting a 17 million APY deal and has not been worth it. Fans would chew Lynch for that right now and not being more aggressive, but it is being wise. At some point you need to know when the market is too rich. The same fans who chew Lynch for not being more aggressive would be the same fans chewing Lynch when you make a signing like that and it blows up in your face.

I can't say what the market truly looks like until we get much closer and know who gets tagged and which players become available. But there may be some players definitely worth pursuing and throwing cash at.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I wish we would make some moves for more draft picks.

You are a smart man. Why everybody else is talking about trading picks for players, silly thought by the way, you make sense by saying moving people to gain valuable draft picks to use later. The Giants are 1-6 like us but they obviously are not trying to fool themselves into thinking their season is anything but lost at this point. The 49ers have the same record and should be doing the same thing. Trading away any and all the players you can get something decent for needs to be the mind set of the Front Office. Only Kyle Shanahan would not want this to happen because he surely is hoping his win/loss record can improve over 1 win without Jimmy G at QB. Lynch should be smarter then this and realize that the season is done and trading away Vets, except Sherman, and young players like Thomas who isn't a scheme fit, makes more football sense. I guarantee Mayhew and Peters would make this call if either was in charge.

Originally posted by saniner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by saniner:

Graham and Fowler are free agents after this season so I'd rather they wait on them. I think Graham would be a great addition and would be a leader for this team. I still want two edge rushers in FA and then drafting another early.

Edit - no chance Graham is moved this year with Barnett going on IR

Then you have to pay their premium in a bidding war.

It goes both ways. You can trade draft picks for them and still lose them in free agency. This FO isn't afraid to spend big on players they want, so I'm not too worried about a bidding war.

Graham has not done much this year and doubt he'd want to go from a previous super bowl team to a bottom feeder this late in his career. Veteran leaders are nice but talent is paramount. I would prefer Fowler.

Originally posted by saniner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

True but usually you talk about a contract extension along with the trade itself. If it's doable, make the move. If not, it's not worth the draft pick.

That's true as well. This FO has shown it would rather wait for players than move draft picks to get them in a contract year. Jimmy was the rare exception. They seem hesitant to move picks for players

True, true.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by crusher49er:

Honestly I think lynch will be extra aggressive this offseason. He knows the pressure is on and the roster turnover is complete, his competitive nature won't let him sit back and go through another season like this. Money is there, spend it.

On who though? The FA market this year looks poor compared to this last off season (regarding our team needs).

Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Ziggy Ansah

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by crusher49er:

Honestly I think lynch will be extra aggressive this offseason. He knows the pressure is on and the roster turnover is complete, his competitive nature won't let him sit back and go through another season like this. Money is there, spend it.

On who though? The FA market this year looks poor compared to this last off season (regarding our team needs).

I agree we need to spend some of our money, but it needs spent wisely.

In 2016 we were interested in Olivier Vernon and we were to a point as the beat writers noted. Once teams who were interested were starting to go over the 15 million APY, we bowed out. He ended up getting a 17 million APY deal and has not been worth it. Fans would chew Lynch for that right now and not being more aggressive, but it is being wise. At some point you need to know when the market is too rich. The same fans who chew Lynch for not being more aggressive would be the same fans chewing Lynch when you make a signing like that and it blows up in your face.

I can't say what the market truly looks like until we get much closer and know who gets tagged and which players become available. But there may be some players definitely worth pursuing and throwing cash at.

Agreed...usually the first 5 players are massively overpaid. Vernon, no doubt was one of those. But after that first wave, the market settles and you can even get down to the bottom and find players like Brandon Fusco and Mike Person (good players for cheap).

You have to be willing to attack all levels of FA.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by crusher49er:

Honestly I think lynch will be extra aggressive this offseason. He knows the pressure is on and the roster turnover is complete, his competitive nature won't let him sit back and go through another season like this. Money is there, spend it.

On who though? The FA market this year looks poor compared to this last off season (regarding our team needs).

Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Ziggy Ansah

Pretty meh, really, esp. with another broken leg by Thomas.

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by dmullins:
I've been reading these forums and realized that our fan base is called the whiners for a reason. Even if our team was winning right now, it wouldn't be good enough for all of the negative nancies here. We are in year 1.5 of a total rebuild. The sky is not falling. Actually I think winning a lot of games would hinder our rebuild because we still don't have the depth we need to make a deep play off run. In the words of Aaron Rodgers (whom we almost beat on MNF) RELAX!

I do not agree that winning would hinder the teams rebuilding but I totally agree that Niner fans are the most crybaby fans constantly looking for someone or something to blame for the team's failure and never having any answers as to how to get better other than to fire someone because quote " they are trash".

i believe our fan base is called whiners cuz we always whine that the refs are out to get us and we are hurt otherwise we would have such and such a record.. we SHOULD be such and such record is always the standard line.lol

If we sign free agents I hope they are not at the tail end of their careers. We are not a contender that needs to add a couple pieces. We are building so sign younger guys that are ready to blossom and draft well. Sounds easy but I know it isn't. Lynch knows what is needed but getting the right guys is harder than just knowing.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Pretty meh, really, esp. with another broken leg by Thomas.

Replace Tate with Taylor in the slot, Thomas will be fine and 100% by the start of FA (he will be a cowboy I bet), replace Ziggy with Graham

Then draft a edge in the first big bodied WR in the 2nd and bring in some CB help via FA and draft.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by crusher49er:
Honestly I think lynch will be extra aggressive this offseason. He knows the pressure is on and the roster turnover is complete, his competitive nature won't let him sit back and go through another season like this. Money is there, spend it.

On who though? The FA market this year looks poor compared to this last off season (regarding our team needs).

Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Ziggy Ansah

I like Tate but Ziggy is hurt a lot and we don't know how Thomas will come back from his injury. Going forward the Niners will have to take into account availability as we have a roster full of players that are often unavailable.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Ziggy Ansah

I would not mind Tate. He'd be an upgrade in our receiving corps.

We should also unload Garcon to a contender before the trading deadline. Maybe Jacksonville. Just get a crappy late round pick back.

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by Wewillwin:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
Still stand by this. He's a top 5 pass blocking tackle in a league that is more than 65% passing when you take out running out the clock. Look at the contracts that people have been giving out for decent lineman the past few years.

There's not enough lineman to go around and we had a premier pass-blocking one on a cheap contract. He didn't fit our profile but i thought we should've held out for more.

He's actually the 44th ranked pass blocking tackle this yr...so no he's not a top 5 pass blocker.

He's so insanely overrated on this board. People can pull up what ever quotes about people praising him, but that's just the offseason circle jerk.

I was initially disappointed with the mglicnhey pick, but how can you hate that swap now? He's already better than Brown, and it ain't close. Plus does anyone really trust giving huge money to a guy who cant stay under 400 lbs? Seriously?

I don't think you read my posts. I agree and love that we got McGlinch... he's been dominant in this offense.

Doesn't change my opinion that we got fleeced on the trade.. we should've got more for Trent Brown. I may even agree with you that he's overrated by some on this board.. but tackles are extremely difficult to find as shown by the Russell Okung / Nate Solder / other recent OT free agent contracts. That makes the McGlinch pick that much more sensible and awesome actually - but we should've got more for Brown.

Kyle Shanahan on Trent Brown: "He's the best pass protection tackle I've ever seen in my life."

Joe Staley: "I don't throw this around lightly, he can be as good as anyone in the NFL that's ever been. You see him and you think Jonathan Ogden." "He's just physically gifted beyond his years," Staley said of Brown. "He's 6-foot-8, 6-foot-9 and 350 pounds. Moves like he's 270 pounds. He's got crazy long arms and he knows how to use it. ... the sky's the limit for that kid. He's unbelievably talented and he's putting it all together now and you're kind of just seeing the scratching of the surface of what he can do in this league."

Von Miller: "He is the best right tackle in the National Football League, if not a top-five offensive tackle, period. Trent Brown is one of the best in the National Football League."

You post this in every thread. Thats offseason talk, everyone over exaggerates. "so and so is in the best shape of their life." "So and so is ready for a break out season." All that matters is whats done on the field. Brown is an above average pass protector, a massive negative in the run game, he consistently shows up out of shape, he was injured, and was on the last year of his contract. He aint that good, its done get over it.

We basically turned a 7th to a 3rd and got a couple years of meh tackle play out of him.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Earl Thomas
Golden Tate
Ziggy Ansah

I would not mind Tate. He'd be an upgrade in our receiving corps.

We should also unload Garcon to a contender before the trading deadline. Maybe Jacksonville. Just get a crappy late round pick back.

Only one Id really be down for on that list is Earl. Golden Tate is basically just Garcon 2.0 at his age. Might as well just go through the draft. Ziggy is hurt all the time, so hell no on that front. We should go through the draft with pass rusher.