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John Lynch - 49ers GM
Jan 30, 2017 at 10:57 AM
- Jiks
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I've definitely warmed up to it. It's a new day in 49erland. The draft and FA are going to be interesting.
Jan 30, 2017 at 10:57 AM
- DonnieDarko
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I hope they get rid of Gamble after the draft tbh. So far I like the overhaul in the FO, bring in outsiders.
Jan 30, 2017 at 10:58 AM
- Young2Rice
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Originally posted by Jiks:
I've definitely warmed up to it. It's a new day in 49erland. The draft and FA are going to be interesting.
Yeah f**k it. What can you really do but just see what happens. At least its not Baalke again and Shanny is a good prospect.
[ Edited by Young2Rice on Jan 30, 2017 at 10:58 AM ]
Jan 30, 2017 at 10:58 AM
- Mookster
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by Mookster:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Mookster:
So who do you think will run the draft?
I think ultimate responsibility will go to Dominik and Gamble with Lynch having the final say.
Exactly. Thank-you for making the point.
So why is this terrible again?
Because you've just put your rebuild on the shoulders of at least one person, Gamble, who has literally been slapped in the face and told he's here to run a draft and be a scapegoat at best. You've also committed to hiring people to do the job your GM is supposed to do and given final roster responsibility to someone who's never been held accountable for evaluating talent at any level of professional football. I'd love to find a silver lining in this but if this was the result of all that change then they could have let Baalke continue to screw things up.
Dynasty to Disaster is just a York away
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:00 AM
- qnnhan7
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Originally posted by communist:McDaniels came from a team with a winning culture as did several assistants who worked for BB. Who cares?Originally posted by qnnhan7:People seemed to overlook that we have a GM that was on a winning SB team, and a OC that will go to the SB and possible be on a SB winning team, be the HC of the Niners. If you want a winning culture you have the people that have been there.
The Ford gave Millen total control doe
Yes, certainly possible Kyle will be an egomaniac HC with terrible decisions on personnel like McD. Maybe Lynch with his defensive background can put the woo lick on Kyle before he can do something stupid
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:00 AM
- OnTheClock
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by OnTheClock:http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/Kevin-Burkhardt-Raves-about-49ers-GM-John-Lynch/d91b3ea3-d2f4-4b9d-8717-c3de5db9bfc4
Listening to his broadcast partner Burkhardt, it makes the hire seem a little more intriguing. Burkhardt claims Lynch watched Aaron Donald on film in college and tabbed him as a future star way before anyone had ever really started talking about him.
Interestingly, he also stated that Lynch has been behind the scenes working towards getting a GM sort of opportunity since his playing days ended, apparently. Burkhardt says Lynch has been studying the process for years and was just waiting for an opportunity before deciding to leave FOX.
Lynch sounds like a good dude, a very bright guy with a lot of good contacts across the NFL, I really hope this does work out. Would be kind of awesome to have a guy that was coached by Bill Walsh taking the organization back to winning again.
From what Burkhardt was saying, it seems to me he indicated Lynch could have gone into scouting himself if he wanted to, but opted for the booth instead, up until the point he had the kind of opportunity or situation he wanted to be involved with.
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:00 AM
- NYniner85
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Originally posted by sdaddy101269:Thank you! Why are people actually trying to sell this f**kery as anything but? Lynch had never done ANYTHING related to the position to warrant faith that he'll do a good job so those of us that are worried have every reason to be. This ownership hasn't given us anything to have faith in.
Yet half of the people in here would have been happy to hire Steve young? Tom coughlin just got a FO gig with zero experience. Irsay was trying to bring in manning to run stuff lol.
Look at Elway dude isn't scouting players (even stated that's not his thing)....It's all about putting the right people around you and it sounds like lynch might be able to do this...this setup also isn't gonna be a baalke dictatorship, sounds like Kyle, lynch, and whomever they get to put around them will all work together.
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:00 AM
- Phoenix49ers
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Facebook post from Taylor Price who used to write for 49ers.com Pretty fair overall comments.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/taylor-price/49ers-hire-john-lynch-as-gm-wait-what/1847701532143006
https://www.facebook.com/notes/taylor-price/49ers-hire-john-lynch-as-gm-wait-what/1847701532143006
So is Tom Gamble the next general manager of the San Francisco 49ers after all? Or it going to be Mark Dominik eventually?
Because John Lynch doesn't feel like a GM. But that didn't stop the Niners from giving the potential Hall of Fame safety a six-year deal to be the head of their football operations. That's likely the move here. The polished, media-facing football "czar" is Lynch. The top football scout is the de facto GM. Matt Maiocco of CSN Bay Area reported this morning that Gamble, the incumbent assistant GM, will be evaluated through the draft by Lynch. Dominik, a former GM with the Tampa Bay Bucs, is already being linked as a potential Lynch aide. Gamble and San Francisco's scouting department went to Mobile for the Senior Bowl – they're in the process of setting the draft board. This is standard procedure for them to stick around during the pre-draft process. We'll see what happens with Dominik.
When the Niners pick No. 2 overall in a couple of months, is this Gamble/Dominik choosing Mitch Trubisky over Deshaun Watson to be the franchise quarterback of the future? Or is this Lynch making the pick? It's all fascinating on many levels, like everything the Niners do.
But heck, as long as it's for the culture, re-establishing the championship culture, it's all good, right?
The top football evaluator under Lynch will probably be the college-tape grinder, the one with the eye for talent and the ability to scout the lower levels of college football. Lynch will be the one buttering up the media, giving guidance to the locker-room veterans and coaching up the defensive backs (just like his predecessor, Trent Baalke).
This is a bold move, no doubt. I personally don't love it. I really don't hate it, either. My general reaction is, "Meh." But because of San Francisco's turmoil and coaching maneuvers in the past 36 months, this is probably the best the Niners could do. Soon-to-be head coach Kyle Shanahan got his guy in Lynch. Jed York got his power tandem. Connections are everything in the NFL and they played a role in Lynch landing in Santa Clara. Mike Shanahan coached Lynch, which makes the younger Shanny down to work with Lynch over GMs like George Paton and Terry McDonough. It sounds good on paper from that standpoint.
On the team side, York has two football guys who will "fight" for each other, and he won't have to break out the therapy couch every few months to figure out why people aren't communicating in the building. He will sell the relationship to you and I all day.
Lynch's inexperience in his new job is the real sticking point in this equation though. We know Shanahan can put up points when given the talent on offense. This is why he's coaching for the Falcons in the Super Bowl this week. Lynch, on the other hand, is more of a greenhorn. Can he get Shanahan a Matt Ryan or Julio Jones-esque talent? He's met with coaches and elite players as part of FOX's broadcasting crew, but there's no true blueprint of going from the TV booth to the scouting seat. Ask Matt Millen about that.
York tends to make moves like this. He's hired two GMs and is about to hire his fourth head coach, all of whom have never been in their respective positions in the NFL. He's made those six hires in the past eight NFL seasons. So there's that. Lynch will probably win the press conference. However, Lowell Cohn retired, someone else will have to force the Niners to "say something" of merit in this upcoming media unveiling. But from my experience, you can't get too caught up in the press conference or what's said in a press release. It's a results-based business and as soon as those men sign their contracts, the clock gets ticking for them to produce.
What really matters – more than the names Lynch and Shanahan – are the names added to a 2-14 roster. Because the biggest decisions the Niners will have to make is the pick at No. 2, the big-name talent they go after in free agency and the future at quarterback. The last one is kind of important.
The off-the-radar Lynch hire was done to re-establish championship culture. It might shake up the culture on day one, but for the championship part, that probably won't happen until at least 2020, like the vision. By then, if not sooner, we'll know if the vision for the franchise has real merit.
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:01 AM
- Young2Rice
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What free agents you guys think he will he go after?
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:01 AM
- Ensatsu
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Originally posted by communist:
McDaniels came from a team with a winning culture as did several assistants who worked for BB. Who cares?
The BB tree is a known failure everywhere else except New England.
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:02 AM
- Fanaticofnfl
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Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Name me a 49ers' fan who doesn't?
Lynch sounds like a good dude, a very bright guy with a lot of good contacts across the NFL, I really hope this does work out. Would be kind of awesome to have a guy that was coached by Bill Walsh taking the organization back to winning again.
Sus and Chaz
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:02 AM
- blizzuntz
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:What free agents you guys think he will he go after?
Ronde Barber, also a broadcaster
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:03 AM
- Young2Rice
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Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
What free agents you guys think he will he go after?
Ronde Barber, also a broadcaster
lol
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:03 AM
- NYniner85
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Originally posted by blizzuntz:Cocaine definitely involved on both those occasions
Haha I don't doubt it!
Jan 30, 2017 at 11:03 AM
- ChaunceyGardner
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^ So basically he is saying if all goes well we should see positive results in 2020
