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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
ER
ER
CB
G
G
RB
OT

IMO, it's more like:

ER
ER
CB OR S
G
WR

I am going to change direction , but ever so slightly. Right now rather than work on the above list of players, i honestly wish JL were tying to identify the asst coaches we need , who is available, and can we coax them here?

Either one coach specifically designated as a coach to teach remedial tackling to a team that cannot tackle. While at it , he could also teach both O and D not to jump offsides on 4th and 1 from the 50 yd line. Okay, maybe that takes two asst coaches. But both have to be sharp, and know how to teach.

Next we need an asst coach to teach all ball catchers, ie WRs, RBs, and TEs how to not drop balls. We were going along at a 6 drops per game there for awhile, and Kittle, good as he is, always seems to drop his first pass. Amazing. Hopefully that assistant coach, or another asst can also teach our O and D not to block someone when you can read the name of the opponent on the back of his jersey. This coach would also be asked to aid in not jumping offsides. Maybe we need two coaches for this.

Lastly , find a DB coach who can teach our feckless CBs how to cover . Right now they never look back (they are taught that by Saleh)...and have had any number of passé they could have broken up if they had taken a peek.

Now maybe this is just a new hard azz DC. That wouldn't bother me as a lot of this stuff is on the D. Maybe Saleh is the one...maybe not . But we need an awful lot of remedial coaching, which kyle is not providing, and tackling is right at the top of that list. Or as someone suggested hire an asst HC who does all the above...teaches the team how to do all the remedial things they are not doing. This coach would have to be a hard azz tho, as jumping offsides, getting penalized more than anyone else in NFL, not knowing how to tackle, not knowing how to cover, not knowing how to catch a ball that hits the receiver between the numbers, blocking in the back, holding penalties, esp away from the ball....the list is long and ugly. But it is a compendium of what we cannot do or should not be doing. Without changing this basic stuff in football, we just won't win, no matter how good a game kyle calls.

So let's get on it and either this asst HC or these multiple assistants, each tasked with fixing one of our underlying defects, must fix what is broken in our FUNDAMENTALS of NFL football. It is disheartening to have so many truly basic gaps in ability to play the game. So turn JL loose on assistant coaches or perhaps a new DC or new asst HC. We have to change, and before any more ER, WR , RB, CB, S, etc, we need to get our coaches working on our basic defects in playing football.

Once that is done, then turn JL loose on getting the above players, but for me...get the assistants lined out first. AND they better be damn well versed in the basic fundamentals of NFL ball.
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Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by jcs:
I find it interesting that the best DLine in the NFL was able to land M.Bennett the prototype Big End on our defense for just a 5th round pick and a backup WR. Meanwhile we exercised the $8 million dollar option on AA because....

Do you think Seattle would have been willing to trade Bennett to SF for something similar?
Yes...they were trying to unload his contract.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by jcs:
I find it interesting that the best DLine in the NFL was able to land M.Bennett the prototype Big End on our defense for just a 5th round pick and a backup WR. Meanwhile we exercised the $8 million dollar option on AA because....

Do you think Seattle would have been willing to trade Bennett to SF for something similar?
Yes...they were trying to unload his contract.

Not to a divisional rival. No way Seattle lets us have Bennett to deal with twice a year.
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by jcs:
I find it interesting that the best DLine in the NFL was able to land M.Bennett the prototype Big End on our defense for just a 5th round pick and a backup WR. Meanwhile we exercised the $8 million dollar option on AA because....

We didn't exercise the option on AA. This is the fourth year of his contract and we CAN pick up the 5th year if we so choose to. (Hopefully we don't)

Ward is the one we exercised the $8M option for. And I wasn't happy about that.

We picked up aa's fifth year already I believe
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
ER
ER
CB
G
G
RB
OT

Put S between G and CB
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Originally posted by NinerForLife:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by jcs:
I find it interesting that the best DLine in the NFL was able to land M.Bennett the prototype Big End on our defense for just a 5th round pick and a backup WR. Meanwhile we exercised the $8 million dollar option on AA because....

Do you think Seattle would have been willing to trade Bennett to SF for something similar?
Yes...they were trying to unload his contract.

Not to a divisional rival. No way Seattle lets us have Bennett to deal with twice a year.
I disagree. They were trying to maximize value...A 4th would have landed him. They aren't afraid of us...the Eagles on the other hand present a potential playoff matchup and still managed the deal.
Lynch just said on local radio. "We actually gave an offer very similar to the bears. Not sure why they chose to go with them"


So unless you wanted to give up even more, we can put that to rest.
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Lynch just said on local radio. "We actually gave an offer very similar to the bears. Not sure why they chose to go with them"


So unless you wanted to give up even more, we can put that to rest.

Similar or the same? It was reported that only the Bears ACTUALLY offered two firsts and the Raiders still had to give up their own 2nd to be able to say, they got 2 1sts out of the deal.

Neither the Jets or Niners made the same and they were "finalists."

Also, any FO will play one team against the other in negotiations and give everyone a chance to 1-up the best offer.

Clearly, we did not make the best offer.
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 12, 2018 at 8:38 AM ]
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by NinerForLife:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by jcs:
I find it interesting that the best DLine in the NFL was able to land M.Bennett the prototype Big End on our defense for just a 5th round pick and a backup WR. Meanwhile we exercised the $8 million dollar option on AA because....

Do you think Seattle would have been willing to trade Bennett to SF for something similar?
Yes...they were trying to unload his contract.

Not to a divisional rival. No way Seattle lets us have Bennett to deal with twice a year.
I disagree. They were trying to maximize value...A 4th would have landed him. They aren't afraid of us...the Eagles on the other hand present a potential playoff matchup and still managed the deal.

True.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Lynch just said on local radio. "We actually gave an offer very similar to the bears. Not sure why they chose to go with them"


So unless you wanted to give up even more, we can put that to rest.

Similar or the same? It was reported that only the Bears ACTUALLY offered two firsts and the Raiders still had to give up their own 2nd to be able to say, they got 2 1sts out of the deal.

Neither the Jets or Niners made the same and they were "finalists."

Also, any FO will play one team against the other in negotiations and give everyone a chance to 1-up the best offer.

Clearly, we did not make the best offer.

Unless we did offer two firsts and two jimmy g firsts aren't as good as two trubisky firsts
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Unless we did offer two firsts and two jimmy g firsts aren't as good as two trubisky firsts

It shouldn't have been hard to beat 2 firsts and get a 2nd back. Hell, I'd give them half our roster too. LOL
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Unless we did offer two firsts and two jimmy g firsts aren't as good as two trubisky firsts

It shouldn't have been hard to beat 2 firsts and get a 2nd back. Hell, I'd give them half our roster too. LOL

It was 2 firsts and 1 third . Should've have been hard to beat but it's not that simple. And a lot easier with hindsight.


Lmao so would I
[ Edited by GhostOfBaalke on Oct 12, 2018 at 9:14 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Lynch just said on local radio. "We actually gave an offer very similar to the bears. Not sure why they chose to go with them"


So unless you wanted to give up even more, we can put that to rest.

Similar or the same? It was reported that only the Bears ACTUALLY offered two firsts and the Raiders still had to give up their own 2nd to be able to say, they got 2 1sts out of the deal.

Neither the Jets or Niners made the same and they were "finalists."

Also, any FO will play one team against the other in negotiations and give everyone a chance to 1-up the best offer.

Clearly, we did not make the best offer.

Just as clearly, this will be the biggest mistake made by GM/HC for a very long time. This was one of those 6 pak deals...2 firsts, 2 seconds, and 2 thirds. We would have come out like bandits, even with a haul like that. Khalil is a once in a generation guy. We muffed it. I hope they learned a lesson here.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Lynch just said on local radio. "We actually gave an offer very similar to the bears. Not sure why they chose to go with them"


So unless you wanted to give up even more, we can put that to rest.

Similar or the same? It was reported that only the Bears ACTUALLY offered two firsts and the Raiders still had to give up their own 2nd to be able to say, they got 2 1sts out of the deal.

Neither the Jets or Niners made the same and they were "finalists."

Also, any FO will play one team against the other in negotiations and give everyone a chance to 1-up the best offer.

Clearly, we did not make the best offer.

Just as clearly, this will be the biggest mistake made by GM/HC for a very long time. This was one of those 6 pak deals...2 firsts, 2 seconds, and 2 thirds. We would have come out like bandits, even with a haul like that. Khalil is a once in a generation guy. We muffed it. I hope they learned a lesson here.

Nooooo. You don't come out like a bandit giving all that and signing a massive deal! For one, your cap is f**ked cuz we have jimmy, Mack, gonna sign buck soon. So you gotta rely on cheaper rookie deals to fill out your roster. Except we have no high draft picks. Totally f**ked in that situation.
If it was similar offer, I would have pushed it up just a little bit more. Assuming the Raiders didn't just take the Bears' offer without talking to us first, of course.
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