How long are you prepared to wait for success from new GM/HC (winning season of 9-7)?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Do you feel lucky? Well do ya?

This team is a FQB and pass rusher away from being competitive. If the FQB is really good right away, it will mean the playoffs could be close at hand. It could happen next year or not at all for many years as these guys don't come easily.

Why be optimistic?

1. K Shanahan is evidently pretty good at assessing QBs
2. K Shanahan has some experience helping QBs reach their potential
3. The niners are not totally without talent--OL, DL, TE, DBs are building blocks to be happy with.

Why be pessimistic?

1. FQBs are difficult to find and the niners cupboard is bare--unless Shanahan can help Kaepernick become one
2. Pass rushers are not common
3. Luck is not always available, but bad luck has been. If the niners get Garrett in the draft and he breaks his leg shopping...
4. Cousins is more an OK QB than a FQB in my opinion and I'd hate to see the team mortgage the future trading for him

Improvements that could turn the team around quickly:

1. Top QB drafted--I don't see them trading for Cousins so they will have to keep/pick up a FA and draft the future FQB
2. Top OLB pass rusher drafted or signed--Garrett could fall to the niners but they should take another as well
3. NT improved so our huge DEs can be more effective and the middle solidified, draft should have a few
4. ILBs must be improved--FA or draft or both

Is Shanny good at assessing qb's. He had most of his success with Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub and both of them had a top 2 receiver at the time. Griffin had a decent rookie season but overall he couldn't develop and they really only scratched the surface with Cousins.

I'm not sure if he is a qb developer and that'll be the scary thing about taking the early qb. There's a lot of room for concern because it really seems like we're falling a dime short everywhere. Clv will take Garrett. We're forced to take a qb in a weak class.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Is Shanny good at assessing qb's. He had most of his success with Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub and both of them had a top 2 receiver at the time. Griffin had a decent rookie season but overall he couldn't develop and they really only scratched the surface with Cousins.

I'm not sure if he is a qb developer and that'll be the scary thing about taking the early qb. There's a lot of room for concern because it really seems like we're falling a dime short everywhere. Clv will take Garrett. We're forced to take a qb in a weak class.

My understanding is that he wanted to play Cousins over RGIII because he was more coachable and consistent. RGIII was injured but Snyder was still insisting on playing him over Cousins.

Ryan has looked so much better in Shanahan's system than he has ever looked. Many believed he was not a gamer, but under this coaching staff he has looked every bit a gamer. How much Shanahan receives credit will be open to interpretation but if he continues to develop QBs with the 9ers we will look back with better understanding.

After the first 3 & out they are dead to me

Originally posted by SofaKing:
After the first 3 & out they are dead to me

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Wanna start something?

We will win 5 games next year that pleases me.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Wanna start something?

I don't like fighting, so I'll send my proxy...hmm...where's Dana White's phone number...

1 Week!!

I want to see progress by the minute... first thing's first, pimp slap Jed on the top of his bald, ass dome, then b!tch slap Paraag (silly).

Next get rid of errrybody!!

Next. Burn down that stadium and start from scratch!

I like the feeling about being the under dog. I remember when Harbaugh took over people thought we were gonna suck for luck but some key FA signings,a nice draft,good coaching and next thing you know we're at 3-1 before that magic season. I don't need other people to believe to make me feel better. I can't wait for effing FA!

Also,here's something else to think about with cousins? What if we traded down in the league new year with someone like the chiefs or something for their next years first,second, this years first and second, possibly additional picks/players...

Reasons? We sign Cousins and give them the chiefs two firsts which we know this years is late, and next years most likely will be as well? Hope that makes sense, thoughts?

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

I like the feeling about being the under dog. I remember when Harbaugh took over people thought we were gonna suck for luck but some key FA signings,a nice draft,good coaching and next thing you know we're at 3-1 before that magic season. I don't need other people to believe to make me feel better. I can't wait for effing FA!

Also,here's something else to think about with cousins? What if we traded down in the league new year with someone like the chiefs or something for their next years first,second, this years first and second, possibly additional picks/players...

Reasons? We sign Cousins and give them the chiefs two firsts which we know this years is late, and next years most likely will be as well? Hope that makes sense, thoughts?

I think a more logical trade is to trade back with WAS with our 2nd pick and take thdir first pick, their 2nd pick and others.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
After the first 3 & out they are dead to me

I'm optimistically thinking 3 years. The cupboard is so bare of impact players, and you better hope one of those future impact players is your QB.

Originally posted by KezarLivin:
I'm optimistically thinking 3 years. The cupboard is so bare of impact players, and you better hope one of those future impact players is your QB.

We may have a few guys (imo) who looked mediocre / average due to poor coaching, but under Shanny, they could be legit / solid. Sometimes they looked good for one half and lost in the 2nd half or looked good in one game, then looked like complete crap in another game. That inconsistency had a lot to do with poor coaching.

A solid draft and free agency can really make the difference under new GM / Shanny. We could surprise teams and pull off close games and/or shock everyone by actually having a decent season (7-9 or 8-8)... considering we're still rebuilding with 3rd coach in three years.