Thoughts on the State of the Team: 2017 Outlook & Why Baalke is Responsible | Page 30

OnTheClock · 2016-10-02T20:00:45-07:00

Utter disappointment. That's what most of us are feeling right now. But let me get into why I think we are where we are. The simple fact right now is that we lack almost every fundamental key to victory in the NFL right. Great QB, elite pass rush, great run defense, offensive playmakers, top-notch offensive play-calling/creativity. Some teams can win possessing just one of these. Unfortunately, we seem to have none. Defense: We have no defense. To elaborate: We have no pass-rush, nor can we stop the run. We know Purcell at NT is a liability, but I thought Dorsey would be fine. Either his previous injury has affected him more than expected, or it's this system. We badly need Ian Williams and another prospects for 2017 and beyond. Carradine? Harold? Old man Brooks is the only one who ever gets any pressure. We have now likely lost our two starting ILBs for the year. Ray Ray and Bowman were the fastest and hardest hitting players on the D. There is no replacement to set the tone now. Offense: On offense, we lack elite speed across the board outside of Torrey Smith. Hyde is a very talented RB, but we don't have a great speed-back like a Sproles or Chris Johnson, McKinnon, or Dion Lewis. We also have no red-zone threat at WR. No "go up and get it" guy. How often do you see us throw deep or throw jump balls? Never because we have neither the talent at QB to deliver or the kind of WR to throw those passes to. Coaches & GM: Personnel-wise we are a mess. Coaching wise, we are too simplistic and predictable a lot of the time. The first half of today's game showed that creativity can get us some points, but also it is unsustainable without talent you can rely on to execute even the most basic football plays. Getting Lynch back will help the pass rush some, but losing Bowman may hurt that unit more than the addition of Lynch will help. With Buckner and Ward hurt as well, we're in serious trouble unless our depth steps up. Generally, I think Jim O'Neil is actually making decent defensive calls, we just don't have the talent to execute. All these issues considered, you have to look at this and realize we're in terrible shape right now. These problems are not easy or quick fixes. Likely we will have no answers for our failure for the rest of the season. I expect us to continue to look awful because we don't have the talent to run the offensive or defensive systems we have in place. Kaepernick may see the field at some point but I don't expect it to matter by then. The question I have now is, does Baalke get fired if this season ends as badly as it looks like it will? Or does Jed give him a pass and let him have one more chance? In the past, I had never been one to jump to the conclusion of firing Baalke, but looking at our current situation, it's impossible to not look at him now since he's the one entirely responsible for putting together this roster that has gotten progressively worse since the end of 2013.

Oct 17, 2016 at 4:12 PM

#436

SanFranAddic
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by SanFranAddic:

Originally posted by gold49er2183:
For the first time of the baalke era, I'm ok with a front office sweep. Just change every thing. And I like Kelly as a coach a lot but look at the product on the field. Baalke is a great talent evaluater on d and even I line but the lack of skill players will always sink us.

Yup, he has no feel for picking quality offensive players. We never get better on offense. Meanwhile, the Seahawks continue to add playmakers year after year.

The problem is Balke.
Yeah? Who?

Since 2012:

Russell Wilson (draft)

Doug Baldwin (UDFA)

Jimmy Graham (trade)

Christine Michael (draft)

Thomas Rawls (UDFA)

Tyler Lockett (draft)

Paul Richardson (draft)

Bobby Wagner (draft)

Bruce Irvin (draft)

Jeremy Lane (draft)

They definitely have added a lot of impact guys. There's more than the above, but yeah, the Seahawks have continually struck gold with difference makers it seems.

Oct 17, 2016 at 4:55 PM

#437

trevorontario
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We need to already be looking to the draft, with someone other than Baalke doing the looking

Oct 17, 2016 at 6:17 PM

#438

SmokeCrabtrees
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Let Chip get his offensive guys after we hopefully draft Garrett...

Oct 17, 2016 at 10:59 PM

#439

pasodoc9er
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Even with #1 pick in the draft, we have gone from getting our FR QB to just being able to land a red hot OLB. Not that that is bad but the QBs that initially looked great, Watson, Kizer, Kayaa, et al... Haven't really turned out all that well. I am guessing we do not get a FR QB this yr, due to none being there. Still there is chance of a dark horse, but right now, nowhere near as exciting before season started. Great pass rusher if in the top of the draft is going to be more likely...meaning we are going to have to dick around and get a bridge QB not named gab, Kap or ponder. Damn, this just gets harder and harder. I just hope that you all who want a new GM know this guy can assess talent as well as what all our teams's holes are.

Wish we have kept Driskell around to see if he could have been the guy....would have taken a long time to make him a player tho. Still that would be better than nothing , which is what we will have once season ends.

Oct 17, 2016 at 11:12 PM

#440

rrx1
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We're well on our way to the 1st pick in the draft. Every position is lacking talent. Our defense is atrocious, offense doesn't have a passer that can consistently deliver the ball on target. I sincerely hope we pick a QB at 1 and don't pull a Cleveland by trying to play money ball. We won't be winning any super bowls anytime soon but at least we'll have a shot at seeing some entertaining offense for the first time since 1997.

Oct 18, 2016 at 1:27 AM

#441

ranchorbbq
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Originally posted by rrx1:
We're well on our way to the 1st pick in the draft. Every position is lacking talent. Our defense is atrocious, offense doesn't have a passer that can consistently deliver the ball on target. I sincerely hope we pick a QB at 1 and don't pull a Cleveland by trying to play money ball. We won't be winning any super bowls anytime soon but at least we'll have a shot at seeing some entertaining offense for the first time since 1997.

Our offense is also below-average. Put Tom Brady behind center and maybe we are 2-4

Oct 18, 2016 at 6:01 AM

#442

OnTheClock
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Over the last five games, we've given up 37 points per game. That is impossible for almost any offense to overcome. Even the Saints or Patriots would struggle to consistently put up 38+ week after week.

Oct 18, 2016 at 6:07 AM

#443

Matchuu84
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Originally posted by SanFranAddic:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by SanFranAddic:
Originally posted by gold49er2183:
For the first time of the baalke era, I'm ok with a front office sweep. Just change every thing. And I like Kelly as a coach a lot but look at the product on the field. Baalke is a great talent evaluater on d and even I line but the lack of skill players will always sink us.

Yup, he has no feel for picking quality offensive players. We never get better on offense. Meanwhile, the Seahawks continue to add playmakers year after year.

The problem is Balke.
Yeah? Who?

Since 2012:

Russell Wilson (draft)

Doug Baldwin (UDFA)

Jimmy Graham (trade)

Christine Michael (draft)

Thomas Rawls (UDFA)

Tyler Lockett (draft)

Paul Richardson (draft)

Bobby Wagner (draft)

Bruce Irvin (draft)

Jeremy Lane (draft)

They definitely have added a lot of impact guys. There's more than the above, but yeah, the Seahawks have continually struck gold with difference makers it seems.

This is because the HC was allowed to install "his" system without a db scout interfering. Carroll knows what he wants and he gets it, they also are under paying bennett and avril which allows them a lot of wiggle room. Having stability for 3+ years is a almost panacea to most team problems

Oct 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM

#444

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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Even with #1 pick in the draft, we have gone from getting our FR QB to just being able to land a red hot OLB. Not that that is bad but the QBs that initially looked great, Watson, Kizer, Kayaa, et al... Haven't really turned out all that well. I am guessing we do not get a FR QB this yr, due to none being there. Still there is chance of a dark horse, but right now, nowhere near as exciting before season started. Great pass rusher if in the top of the draft is going to be more likely...meaning we are going to have to dick around and get a bridge QB not named gab, Kap or ponder. Damn, this just gets harder and harder. I just hope that you all who want a new GM know this guy can assess talent as well as what all our teams's holes are.

Wish we have kept Driskell around to see if he could have been the guy....would have taken a long time to make him a player tho. Still that would be better than nothing , which is what we will have once season ends.

Why wouldn't we be able to get a 1st round QB?

Oct 18, 2016 at 10:59 AM

#445

9ersLiferInChicago
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We're gonna be picking in the top 5 (and you can book that), so a QB with our first pick is in order. QB, ILB, WR, and NG - in that order - are our top needs. No position should be picked before them, even OLB. And we should trade back into the first to get a QB and ILB, and pick up a WR in the 2nd (trade back into the 2nd if we have to), and a NG in the 3rd. We need impact players, not a bunch of late round picks hoping we find a diamond in the rough.

[ Edited by 9ersLiferInChicago on Oct 18, 2016 at 11:10 AM ]

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:43 PM

#446

jcs
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Originally posted by ranchorbbq:
Our offense is also below-average. Put Tom Brady behind center and maybe we are 2-4

The play calling and 3rd quarter adjustments haven't helped....

Oct 18, 2016 at 12:49 PM

#447

OnTheClock
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Baalke has shown completely unforgivable oversight and consistently asinine decision-making over the past few years. His time needs to come to end now. Injuries are no excuse for the team to be this bad on both sides of the ball. As a GM, your job is to fortify the team with depth and competition each off-season. I'm sorry, but it hasn't been done. He's failed, and failed epically.

We have the LAST ranked offense. We have the LAST ranked run defense and 27th ranked D overall. THIS. IS. NOT. ACCEPTABLE. How can Baalke expect to survive this level of ineptitude?

If I'm the head honcho, I fire Baalke no later than the week after the trade deadline.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Oct 18, 2016 at 12:49 PM ]

Oct 18, 2016 at 1:05 PM

#448