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OnTheClock · 2016-10-02T20:00:45-07:00

Utter disappointment. That's what most of us are feeling right now. But let me get into why I think we are where we are. The simple fact right now is that we lack almost every fundamental key to victory in the NFL right. Great QB, elite pass rush, great run defense, offensive playmakers, top-notch offensive play-calling/creativity. Some teams can win possessing just one of these. Unfortunately, we seem to have none. Defense: We have no defense. To elaborate: We have no pass-rush, nor can we stop the run. We know Purcell at NT is a liability, but I thought Dorsey would be fine. Either his previous injury has affected him more than expected, or it's this system. We badly need Ian Williams and another prospects for 2017 and beyond. Carradine? Harold? Old man Brooks is the only one who ever gets any pressure. We have now likely lost our two starting ILBs for the year. Ray Ray and Bowman were the fastest and hardest hitting players on the D. There is no replacement to set the tone now. Offense: On offense, we lack elite speed across the board outside of Torrey Smith. Hyde is a very talented RB, but we don't have a great speed-back like a Sproles or Chris Johnson, McKinnon, or Dion Lewis. We also have no red-zone threat at WR. No "go up and get it" guy. How often do you see us throw deep or throw jump balls? Never because we have neither the talent at QB to deliver or the kind of WR to throw those passes to. Coaches & GM: Personnel-wise we are a mess. Coaching wise, we are too simplistic and predictable a lot of the time. The first half of today's game showed that creativity can get us some points, but also it is unsustainable without talent you can rely on to execute even the most basic football plays. Getting Lynch back will help the pass rush some, but losing Bowman may hurt that unit more than the addition of Lynch will help. With Buckner and Ward hurt as well, we're in serious trouble unless our depth steps up. Generally, I think Jim O'Neil is actually making decent defensive calls, we just don't have the talent to execute. All these issues considered, you have to look at this and realize we're in terrible shape right now. These problems are not easy or quick fixes. Likely we will have no answers for our failure for the rest of the season. I expect us to continue to look awful because we don't have the talent to run the offensive or defensive systems we have in place. Kaepernick may see the field at some point but I don't expect it to matter by then. The question I have now is, does Baalke get fired if this season ends as badly as it looks like it will? Or does Jed give him a pass and let him have one more chance? In the past, I had never been one to jump to the conclusion of firing Baalke, but looking at our current situation, it's impossible to not look at him now since he's the one entirely responsible for putting together this roster that has gotten progressively worse since the end of 2013.

Oct 17, 2016 at 7:24 AM

#406

NCommand
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. I'm in agreement on those positions as well.

It's gonna be rough because those are difficult positions to solve. Unlikely to happen in one off-season. 49ers have to seriously consider if they want Baalke to continue to steer this ship, because the decisions made next off-season are going to be absolutely crucial.

100% agree. Every team, with the exception of a handful, are looking for their FQB, dominant pass rusher and play making big-bodied WR. We'll get first crack at them though.

That state of things make me sick to my stomach. We can't stop anyone even when we know what they're going to do. We can't run for 1 yard in two chances to get it. We have no elite or prospective stars-in-the-making talent at receiver. We have no QB. It's a mess all over the roster.

It's horrible. I tried to warn fans last week that it'll only get worse too b/c other players are going to press to make up for the losses...sure enough, Robinson goes down b/c he's forced to make tackles in the open field on RB's, Reaser has to slide from inside to outside (changing the scheme; we now have no slot CB), Hyde gets hurt (basically, our two best players at the moment), etc. This is a team destined to get the #1 overall pick. Are we going to get it right this time (cough, Alex Smith, cough)?

[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 17, 2016 at 8:16 AM ]

Oct 17, 2016 at 7:25 AM

#407

Hangman_52
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I doubt we will win another game this season. That is the state of the team.

Oct 17, 2016 at 7:43 AM

#408

ninerfan4life
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Imagine if we go on a 14 year drought like the Raiders

after coming off a 9 year drought before Harbaugh came. My heart can't take all this losing

[ Edited by ninerfan4life on Oct 17, 2016 at 7:43 AM ]

Oct 17, 2016 at 8:21 AM

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Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Imagine if we go on a 14 year drought like the Raiders after coming off a 9 year drought before Harbaugh came. My heart can't take all this losing

Firing Harbaugh is the worst decision of all time bye bye baalke

Oct 17, 2016 at 8:23 AM

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Right now, we need to start Tartt, Robinson, all of our young players and make the game plan simple. Let our young guys gain experience because the older guys are not helping.

Oct 17, 2016 at 8:26 AM

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They were talking Niners on ESPN this morning. Louis Riddick knows what's up.

Oct 17, 2016 at 8:29 AM

#412

Joecool
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Just bring the WCO and the 4-3 defense back.

Oct 17, 2016 at 8:31 AM

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Originally posted by FL9er:
They were talking Niners on ESPN this morning. Louis Riddick knows what's up.

What he say?

Oct 17, 2016 at 8:35 AM

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Originally posted by Joecool:
Right now, we need to start Tartt, Robinson, all of our young players and make the game plan simple. Let our young guys gain experience because the older guys are not helping.

Shooooot, I've been saying that since day one. Let them play and grow and play straight up. If they get beat, they get beat but at least it won't be b/c they are trying to play while thinking. Add more complex wrinkles as time goes on and their confidence grows.

Good-bye to Brock & Bethea. We're stuck with Dorsey (1 snap a game) and Brooks for now.

Oct 17, 2016 at 8:44 AM

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plan: s**t can baalke and all the coaches. keep the you tallent, get rid of some of the older guys who arent producing, sign the best qb on the market next year and have them train a top rookie qb. be promising next year but still not ready, dominate in 2018. we have already started the rebuild of the lines. we need a qb, wr's linebackers next year in a bad way.

positives: cap space, high picks, young talent at certain positions.
negatives:jed york is a tool and might not fire baalke and/or chip and we keep going down this road.

Oct 17, 2016 at 9:18 AM

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Originally posted by FL9er:
They were talking Niners on ESPN this morning. Louis Riddick knows what's up.

Well ?

Oct 17, 2016 at 9:45 AM

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Originally posted by Joecool:
Just bring the WCO and the 4-3 defense back.

I agree ...but EVERYTIME I bring this up , someone always tells me to, 'stop living in the past" , or "we aren't switching to the 4-3 so quit complaining"

obviously this college system isn't going to work here , and if they truly wanted it to work, they would have aggressively went after the talent to make it work ( WR's, especially) ...but NO, we are stuck with this system that cant run the ball with power, cant get any use out of our WR's our TE's , and most of all , it's leaving our defense on the field way too long , allowing them to get cut up against the run

I would say go to a 4-3 right now , maybe it will be more effective dealing with the run , we need a Stout NT and 2 quality ILB's to be effective running a 3-4 , we don't have that or a quality reserve NT, and ZERO pressure from our OLB's

...we might as well focus on getting pressure from the edges and our interior D-lineman

LDE- Armstead / Carradine
DT- Dial / Dorsey
DT- Buckner / Purcell
RDE- Lynch / Blair ...we could get pressure from our DE's out of the 4-3
WLB- Hodges
MLB- Bellore
SLB- Brooks ...we don't exactly have the talent at LB to run a solid 4-3 ...but it has to be better than the production we're getting out of the 3-4
FS- Ward / ..Ward would bring more athleticism to the free safety position , Bethea isn't standing out as our veteran safety
SS- Reid / Tartt / Bethea
CB - Robinson / Reaser / Johnson
CB- Brock / Redmond

just an idea , blast this idea if you want , but the defense we have now isn't getting it done , not even close

Oct 17, 2016 at 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by NeeJ49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Just bring the WCO and the 4-3 defense back.

I agree ...but EVERYTIME I bring this up , someone always tells me to, 'stop living in the past" , or "we aren't switching to the 4-3 so quit complaining"

obviously this college system isn't going to work here , and if they truly wanted it to work, they would have aggressively went after the talent to make it work ( WR's, especially) ...but NO, we are stuck with this system that cant run the ball with power, cant get any use out of our WR's our TE's , and most of all , it's leaving our defense on the field way too long , allowing them to get cut up against the run

I would say go to a 4-3 right now , maybe it will be more effective dealing with the run , we need a Stout NT and 2 quality ILB's to be effective running a 3-4 , we don't have that or a quality reserve NT, and ZERO pressure from our OLB's ...we might as well focus on getting pressure from the edges and our interior D-lineman

LDE- Armstead / Carradine
DT- Dial / Dorsey
DT- Buckner / Purcell
RDE- Lynch / Blair ...we could get pressure from our DE's out of the 4-3
WLB- Hodges
MLB- Bellore
SLB- Brooks ...we don't exactly have the talent at LB to run a solid 4-3 ...but it has to be better than the production we're getting out of the 3-4
FS- Ward / ..Ward would bring more athleticism to the free safety position , Bethea isn't standing out as our veteran safety
SS- Reid / Tartt / Bethea
CB - Robinson / Reaser / Johnson
CB- Brock / Redmond

just an idea , blast this idea if you want , but the defense we have now isn't getting it done , not even close

I like the idea of a 4-3 because our linebacker core is not a strength anymore.I would leave Buckner and Armstead on the edges because there long and athletic and should be free to play to their strengths.I would also start looking at any available NT remaining in free agency as well.Leave Lynch and Brooks at OLB and you have the ability to have at least a chance for a pass rush.LOL this team needs to be torn down and built back up from scratch

Oct 17, 2016 at 11:12 AM

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Reid sucks, he needs go. On my 2nd year in a row saying this. All he does is drop INT's and misses tackles. Another lame pick by Trent

Oct 17, 2016 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
plan: s**t can baalke and all the coaches. keep the you tallent, get rid of some of the older guys who arent producing, sign the best qb on the market next year and have them train a top rookie qb. be promising next year but still not ready, dominate in 2018. we have already started the rebuild of the lines. we need a qb, wr's linebackers next year in a bad way.

positives: cap space, high picks, young talent at certain positions.
negatives:jed york is a tool and might not fire baalke and/or chip and we keep going down this road.

Firing Chip Kelly, is not going to do the 49ers any good. 4 head coaches in 4 years is never a good thing. I think we are stuck with chip for the lengthh of the contract.