MASSIVE cap space.

We be to rap like AB to cap.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

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Well if AB didn't write that then its not true.

petty and uncalled for in my opinion. i thought you were the one who is all about not talking about other posters

Didn't say anything derogatory towards anyone, the post merely meant as how some here think that only AB knows anything about the salary cap.

Some here just think AB is far more credible with his track record than anyone else involved in this thread. Or most beat writers for that matter.

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

For anyone looking for that special place

Well if AB didn't write that then its not true.

petty and uncalled for in my opinion. i thought you were the one who is all about not talking about other posters

Didn't say anything derogatory towards anyone, the post merely meant as how some here think that only AB knows anything about the salary cap.

Some here just think AB is far more credible with his track record than anyone else involved in this thread. Or most beat writers for that matter.

Anyone can look up information on a website.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

For anyone looking for that special place

Well if AB didn't write that then its not true.

petty and uncalled for in my opinion. i thought you were the one who is all about not talking about other posters

Didn't say anything derogatory towards anyone, the post merely meant as how some here think that only AB knows anything about the salary cap.

right of course,. what was i thinking

Originally posted by susweel:
Anyone can look up information on a website.

He's brought up info before it was even put on the "internet" he's been creditable for years...but you could careless about that, it's all about pushing your views.

Originally posted by susweel:

Anyone can look up information on a website.

Sus, jeez , man...over the yrs when I wondered about a new contract or pending ones, I DID look up that contract stuff on the Internet, and trust me, it wasn't there. Then, next day, or maybe same day, there is AB with a complete breakdown of a new contract, or summary of a considered one. Four, maybe five days later, sure I could find resourses online that gave me the material. But I assure you it was exactly what AB had posted 4-5 days earlier. The guy is a jewel, he is smart as a whip, and he knows his stuff. Oh...and one other thing....he has an amazing collection of sources for cap , contract, or even tendered contracts. And here's the big deal, Sus. AB is ALWAYS right. Also if some minor part of a contract is changed, he knows that virtually immediately. Now I agree that isn't a long time, but it goes back 10 years, and AB is still the guy to go to for contract, cap , info.

So please don't say, "anyone can look up info online"....which is true. Difference is, AB is way the hell out in front, many times days to weeks ahead of whoever else is in second place.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Anyone can look up information on a website.

Sus, jeez , man...over the yrs when I wondered about a new contract or pending ones, I DID look up that contract stuff on the Internet, and trust me, it wasn't there. Then, next day, or maybe same day, there is AB with a complete breakdown of a new contract, or summary of a considered one. Four, maybe five days later, sure I could find resourses online that gave me the material. But is assure you it was exactly what AB had posted 4-5 days earlier. The guy is a jewel, he is smart as a whip, and he knows his stuff. Oh...and one other thing....he has an amazing collection of sources for cap , contract, or even tendered contracts. And here's the big deal, Sus. AB is ALWAYS right. Also if some minor part of a contract is changed, he knows that virtually immediately.

So please don't say, "anyone can look up info online"....which is true. Difference is, AB is way the hell out in front, many times days to weeks ahead of whoever else is in second place.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by susweel:

Anyone can look up information on a website.

He's brought up info before it was even put on the "internet" he's been creditable for years...but you could careless about that, it's all about pushing your views.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by susweel:
Anyone can look up information on a website.

Sus, jeez , man...over the yrs when I wondered about a new contract or pending ones, I DID look up that contract stuff on the Internet, and trust me, it wasn't there. Then, next day, or maybe same day, there is AB with a complete breakdown of a new contract, or summary of a considered one. Four, maybe five days later, sure I could find resourses online that gave me the material. But is assure you it was exactly what AB had posted 4-5 days earlier. The guy is a jewel, he is smart as a whip, and he knows his stuff. Oh...and one other thing....he has an amazing collection of sources for cap , contract, or even tendered contracts. And here's the big deal, Sus. AB is ALWAYS right. Also if some minor part of a contract is changed, he knows that virtually immediately.

So please don't say, "anyone can look up info online"....which is true. Difference is, AB is way the hell out in front, many times days to weeks ahead of whoever else is in second place.

Yes I agree that AB always gets us the info when we need it and I have nothing against AB he seems like a fine young man however Im saying that others can get that same info if they choose to invest the time and effort.

I agree, Sus, but I also know that AB does work his ass off to get us that information. I don't know if you have ever tried, but it is not easy, and requires investing one helluva lot of time finding and ferreting out that info. It also requires establishing good relationships wiht folks who were in the room, or just outside, and keeping those sources.

Thing is , AB is getting his info from darn near the horse's mouth...and they have been timely, accurate, and exact....and well in advance of whenever it becomes widely known. Even if one takes the time, if you don't know the exact right person, then it is impossible to get that info early on. Not everybody can do that or has done that....except AB.

So AB is still correct

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

So AB is still correct

Yup.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

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Wow. The number of variables involved in figuring out the ceiling on the cap space and even more so the number of variables involved in calculating how each player contract affects a teams cap calculations are huuuge. I takes a sharp person to accurately work through all that language to derive the cap numbers/cap hit numbers. AB is all that for sure.

But I think there is some talking past each other going on and I think some of that has to do with the way different people are interpreting different words/phrases. For example, the phrase "cap money". Many people have rightly pointed out that cap money is not actually money, it is a contractual obligation that a team has to spend money. Since cap money isn't really money, of course cap money is not actual money that determines a team owner's profits because a team owner's profits are real money. For some people, that pretty much is the whole picture. But I think there are people posting here who are talking about the affect of the cap contractual obligations on the finances of the team as a corporation and that is where the talk about potential profit comes in.

In rough terms, corporate finances involve revenues, expenses (costs) and profits. Again in rough terms, profits are what are left over to the owner(s) of the corporation after expenses are "subtracted" from the revenues generated. Paying player salaries is an expense to the corporation just like paying the power bill and maintenance salaries. In the case of the player salary expense, the team as a corporation has contractual cap obligations to the NFL that put a floor and a ceiling on the cap contractual obligations (parts of the contract operate in four year increments). The difference between the floor and ceiling on the cap means that the expenses that will be subtracted from revenues that goes into determining profit depends on how close to the ceiling management gets (over the four years) in how much money they actually spend on player salaries. Of course, player salaries alone do not determine how much profit is left over after taking expenses out of the revenue pot. It is certainly possible that the owners may choose to spend every bit of revenue that is left after player salaries on other things and not make any profit at all. But the potential is there for a team not spending to the amount set as the cap ceiling for the owner to then have less expenses to subtract from revenues and end up with more profit.

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Wow. The number of variables involved in figuring out the ceiling on the cap space and even more so the number of variables involved in calculating how each player contract affects a teams cap calculations are huuuge. I takes a sharp person to accurately work through all that language to derive the cap numbers/cap hit numbers. AB is all that for sure.

But I think there is some talking past each other going on and I think some of that has to do with the way different people are interpreting different words/phrases. For example, the phrase "cap money". Many people have rightly pointed out that cap money is not actually money, it is a contractual obligation that a team has to spend money. Since cap money isn't really money, of course cap money has absolutely nothing to do with a team owners profits because a team owners profits are real money. For some people, that pretty much is the whole picture. But I think there are people posting here who are talking about the affect of the cap contractual obligations on the finances of the team as a corporation and that is where the talk about potential profit comes in.

In rough terms, corporate finances involve revenues, expenses (costs) and profits. Again in rough terms, profits are what are left over to the owner(s) of the corporation after expenses are "subtracted" from the revenues generated. Paying player salaries is an expense to the corporation just like paying the power bill and maintenance salaries. In the case of the player salary expense, the team as a corporation has contractual cap obligations to the NFL that put a floor and a ceiling on the cap contractual obligations (parts of the contract operate in four year increments). The difference between the floor and ceiling on the cap means that the expenses that will be subtracted from revenues that goes into determining profit depends on how close to the ceiling management gets (over the four years) in how much money they actually spend on player salaries. Of course, player salaries alone do not determine how much profit is left over after taking expenses out of the revenue pot. It is certainly possible that the owners may choose to spend every bit of revenue that is left after player salaries on other things and not make any profit at all. But the potential is there for a team not spending to the amount set as the cap ceiling for the owner to then have less expenses to subtract from revenues and end up with more profit.

And I willing to bet all said and done most teams in the league are all right around the same % as far as money invested (89% rule) towards the cap after 4 years.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

Wow. The number of variables involved in figuring out the ceiling on the cap space and even more so the number of variables involved in calculating how each player contract affects a teams cap calculations are huuuge. I takes a sharp person to accurately work through all that language to derive the cap numbers/cap hit numbers. AB is all that for sure.

But I think there is some talking past each other going on and I think some of that has to do with the way different people are interpreting different words/phrases. For example, the phrase "cap money". Many people have rightly pointed out that cap money is not actually money, it is a contractual obligation that a team has to spend money. Since cap money isn't really money, of course cap money has absolutely nothing to do with a team owners profits because a team owners profits are real money. For some people, that pretty much is the whole picture. But I think there are people posting here who are talking about the affect of the cap contractual obligations on the finances of the team as a corporation and that is where the talk about potential profit comes in.

In rough terms, corporate finances involve revenues, expenses (costs) and profits. Again in rough terms, profits are what are left over to the owner(s) of the corporation after expenses are "subtracted" from the revenues generated. Paying player salaries is an expense to the corporation just like paying the power bill and maintenance salaries. In the case of the player salary expense, the team as a corporation has contractual cap obligations to the NFL that put a floor and a ceiling on the cap contractual obligations (parts of the contract operate in four year increments). The difference between the floor and ceiling on the cap means that the expenses that will be subtracted from revenues that goes into determining profit depends on how close to the ceiling management gets (over the four years) in how much money they actually spend on player salaries. Of course, player salaries alone do not determine how much profit is left over after taking expenses out of the revenue pot. It is certainly possible that the owners may choose to spend every bit of revenue that is left after player salaries on other things and not make any profit at all. But the potential is there for a team not spending to the amount set as the cap ceiling for the owner to then have less expenses to subtract from revenues and end up with more profit.

And I willing to bet all said and done most teams in the league are all right around the same % as far as money invested (89% rule) towards the cap after 4 years.

And we were actually a lot higher than that for those that don't remember salary cap hell. I would much rather be where we are.