Are we the worst team in football?

Originally posted by islander009:

Based of the Strength of Schedule we face the hardest schedule and with us not picking up players in FA of substantial potential i believe we will be one of the worst. Put me on record saying we are going 4-11. I actually think the Browns will also be one of the bottom dweller teams. Miami, Jax, Was, Atl, SD, were the worst teams last year and i believe they brought in players i FA that made them competitive. At this point we havent done that.

4-11? Really?

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by islander009:
Based of the Strength of Schedule we face the hardest schedule and with us not picking up players in FA of substantial potential i believe we will be one of the worst. Put me on record saying we are going 4-11. I actually think the Browns will also be one of the bottom dweller teams. Miami, Jax, Was, Atl, SD, were the worst teams last year and i believe they brought in players i FA that made them competitive. At this point we havent done that.

4-11? Really?

Sadly, I can't see 4 wins. With Gabbert at QB and with the current state of the lines, especially the o-line.
Not being able to replace or to even pick Pears in the first place was embarrassing for the team. How Baalke thought that, that was even acceptable is beyond me. If I performed that poorly in my job, I wouldn't even have to hear the words "You're fired", I'd fire myself.
Baalke has made this team horrible and York is to blame for allowing it to happen.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by jogr49:

I'm thinking 4-12. Team absolutely a train wreck!

we were 5-11 with tomsula. With better coaching I say we are 6-8 wins depending on what we do the rest of the offseason. If we dont sign anybody and we draft for the future and not need now, I think we are at status quo, 5-11.

We were a 3-13 team with Tomsula that won 2 extra games because our opponents missed field goals (one was blocked). 2nd worst team in the league in +/-. The status quo is not 5-11 - we were damn lucky (unlucky from a draft position perspective) to win 5 games this year. With better coaching and a worse team, we may go 4-12. If we improve from having the worst offense in the league, I hope we keep Chip Kelly. It's unrealistic to expect any coach to have success with this roster.

BUT those extra 2 wins got a similar player as the 5th pick but at less signing money. Analytics look good so it's a win for a spreadsheet somewhere

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by jogr49:
I'm thinking 4-12. Team absolutely a train wreck!

we were 5-11 with tomsula. With better coaching I say we are 6-8 wins depending on what we do the rest of the offseason. If we dont sign anybody and we draft for the future and not need now, I think we are at status quo, 5-11.

We were a 3-13 team with Tomsula that won 2 extra games because our opponents missed field goals (one was blocked). 2nd worst team in the league in +/-. The status quo is not 5-11 - we were damn lucky (unlucky from a draft position perspective) to win 5 games this year. With better coaching and a worse team, we may go 4-12. If we improve from having the worst offense in the league, I hope we keep Chip Kelly. It's unrealistic to expect any coach to have success with this roster.

BUT those extra 2 wins got a similar player as the 5th pick but at less signing money. Analytics look good so it's a win for a spreadsheet somewhere

5th pick? We would have had the 3rd pick if we lost both games. We would have the 5th pick if we won one of those games. You can trade back from 3 if you're targeting someone who will be available at 7. Or you can draft someone like Jalen Ramsey who won't make it to 7. Signing money isn't as different as it used to be (5 years ago, the #1 pick wasn't nearly as valuable as it is now because teams had to pay a fortune for that pick).

Difference between the 3rd pick in the first round and 7th pick in the first round is a late first round pick (26th). Plus, we're picking later in every round so we basically lost a mid-first round pick as a result of 2 missed field goals by our opponents. Had nothing to do with our performance on the field (the blocked field goal was a fluke play).

Regardless, I was just pointing out that the team was very lucky to win 5 games last year and 4-12 may be a more appropriate benchmark comparison.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by islander009:
Based of the Strength of Schedule we face the hardest schedule and with us not picking up players in FA of substantial potential i believe we will be one of the worst. Put me on record saying we are going 4-11. I actually think the Browns will also be one of the bottom dweller teams. Miami, Jax, Was, Atl, SD, were the worst teams last year and i believe they brought in players i FA that made them competitive. At this point we havent done that.

4-11? Really?

Sorry English. I was trying to be optimisitc with that record. 4-12.

New coaches all around. From the offensive side; QB controversy at this point. young and inexperienced OL with the only solid mark with Staley. Kilgore hasnt returned from his injury. No real #1 WR and a bunch of #2s and #3s wrs, sorry T Smith isnt going to be Alshon Jeffrey and will always end up double coverage all day long if needed. TEs have potential with Bell, Anderson, and Celek. McDonald should just be a blocking TE at this point since his hands are like rocks. RB- Hyde will be productive and also depends on his OL. I really like Hayne, and Harris, so I personally do not think another RB is needed since we still have Davis and just resigned Draughn.
From the Defensive side; DL has potential with Armstead, Dial, Williams. Our LB crew is held with glue which is Bow. Brooks hasnt performed well, and Harold is young and inconsistent. Wilhoite is a backup, same with Hodges. Our Secondary is in my opinion set for a few more years. Reid, Bethea, and Tartt are solid. Yes everyone will hate me for saying that since they were burned a lot last season, but i think thats based on defensive game plan. Brock, D Johnson, and potentially Reaser are good CBs but not shutdown quality.
Special teams are good in coverage and I cannot say much about Pinion as i felt he played like a rookie. Dawson was Mr. Reliable.

So from looking at the team overall, and the upcoming hard schedule I can see us pulling through 4 wins at most. Based on Kellys offensive game plan Id say that we get lucky to push more points than last year due to more opportunities but our defense will be worn out. People forget that during Kellys first couple years with the Eagles their OL was pretty strong and competitive. Jason Peters, Mathis, and drafted Johnson who solidify their OL. Mind you they were not the best OL but they were in the top 5. Our OL at this point and from last year was ranked as 29th in the league.

Cleveland is confirming the fact that they are the worst Franchise right now in the NFL. Between losing their own FA's and trying to lowball Kap, they're making York and Baalke look like geniuses.

Hard to do that.

When your franchise QB wants to play for Cleveland. Yes

Originally posted by 951NINER:
When your franchise QB wants to play for Cleveland. Yes

Maybe not so much.....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/13/report-kaepernick-cooling-on-cleveland/

Originally posted by socal9er42:
Cleveland is confirming the fact that they are the worst Franchise right now in the NFL. Between losing their own FA's and trying to lowball Kap, they're making York and Baalke look like geniuses.

Hard to do that.

Yup, but they are 1a and we are 1b. Nothing to brag about.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by socal9er42:
Cleveland is confirming the fact that they are the worst Franchise right now in the NFL. Between losing their own FA's and trying to lowball Kap, they're making York and Baalke look like geniuses.

Hard to do that.

Yup, but they are 1a and we are 1b. Nothing to brag about.

Hey! We're 1b! Yea!





(pretty sad, isn't it?)

It's like the Super Bowl. Can you say X team is going to win the Super Bowl? No, not really?

But if you're asking if we're the worst team in the league, there is no way to confirm that definitively, but we're definitely in contention.

Originally posted by 951NINER:
When your franchise QB wants to play for Cleveland. Yes

All it means is that Kaep doesn't have a clear head. If people think just because they got Hue that they are going to get better, just look at their exodus and QBs-people complain about us, but until the browns get out from under, its just talk. They Marty S. back.

I would like to think that Kelly will be better as HC than JT, it can't get worst, unless injuries kill us.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Yup, but they are 1a and we are 1b. Nothing to brag about.

Theres always been a weird connection betweclevebetween and us. Probably because the yorks are from ohio.

Islander, after stepping in it with your 4-11 projection, (make a mistake, English will take you to task for it), you redeemed yourself wtih a very well thot out piece. I will make just a few edits, not all that meaningful.

New coaches all around. ...how about a truckload of coaches that are one helluva lot better than that load of garbage that was all tomsula could coax here.

QB controversy...is more of how we deal with cleve/denver/jets to unload kap. Don't see any controversy at present. He wants gone...give it to him but don't do him any favors when he advertises that the 49ers are a bunch of incompetents. But, make them pay for him...and a second rounder isi about right from cleve.

WRs...agree, no #1 and alshon or Sanu would have been awful nice under the xmas tree. Didn't happen.

TEs...3 great blockers agreed, but McD may surprise you this yr, not having to catch rocket balls from 5 yds away. I believe vance gets a lot better this yr just with the deletion of kap. As a blocker, he is superb. We'll see if stone hands is an apt monniker or not this yr. I'm betting on vance with no kap.

RBs....agree...Hyde was great/is great...but he better get SOME blocking or he is in for a really short career. ... sean, draughn...who would've guessed we get not one but TWO able starters from bagging groceries at wal mart and selling cars at a used car lot? Add to that Hayne, who should have had all last yr to get snaps, and of course, tomfoola cut him, added him back, and...krapt, what a mess. But i look for good things from him this yr and not just PR or KR. Davis...there is our contract #2 or #3 maybe. Oh well.

DL...here is where we are young and green, with only Bow as the vet. We needed one other. Oliver, Malik, Levathan, any of those would have helped some but having no vet back there except Bow...ouch. Now, probably Buckner is there at #7 and if so that makes AA and Lynch both better automatically, altho he is a rook. As for the talent on front 7, it needs a leader, a wizened vet in the worst kind of way. Nope, didn't happen.

Also at #7 we could get Stanley(ND) OT who would be switched to OG for now and take over for Joe S when he hangs them up in a few yrs. We would still need an OC but i have no idea if we have a shot at Cards Larsen or not. OC is the guy we need worst. So switch Stanly to OG and we have Joe S/ ?Tiller/ OC??/ stanley/ Brown. OC stands out like a sore thumb and after Ian at NT, we desperately needed Mack at OC.

given the choice between Stanley and Buckner, i would say buckner,, because he makes two front 7 guys better from the gitgo. That said, i am an OL guy at heart. If we went buckner, then it would be B.Thomas/silberman at the other OG....and pray. Obviously we have a hole at OC, and kilgore didn't cut it. Flaming out on devey , martin, Pears and then playing those doofuses the entire yr was just idiotic. But then that was tomfoola. Every time he came to a fork in the road, he chose the wrong one. That is what you get from a F-
imitation HC .

What would be a back breaker would be burning that pick #7 on a QB. That would hurt more than anything else. We have to have a nucleus around the OL/same around the DL. We have to fix one or the other. We can't let both go. Forget the QB. Get one later and a franchise QB next yr. Go with gab., let him show us what he can do behind a decent OL, soemthing he never had last yr.

Agree wth your assessment on our DBs one of the stronger areas of our team. Sean smith would have helped but no nada came from FA.

As for the comment on Chip;s OL in Philly, i didn't realize it was pretty decent the first few yrs. Well, not so here.

Overall nice summary even if you guessed 4-11. English will do that to you if you aren't careful. He's done it to me. As for your W/L guess... hard to figure more than 4 Ws sad to say. We just got a load of young green talent, were primed for one vet leader of each, and got bupkus. Unbelieveable. So here's to good coaches, here's to the young leading the young, let's hope kap just vanishes soon, get everyone on the same page, and see what kind of football chip can coax out of a lot of youth. We need a starter from each and every pick. That won't happen, but it sure would be nice if we got a couple ...and would help even more if they wre really mature. One thing we can't have, is another kap. If we did this team would be bottom of the barrel for the foreseeable future.

In all a very nice post, islander. 4-12 next time, tho.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
We were a 3-13 team with Tomsula that won 2 extra games because our opponents missed field goals (one was blocked). 2nd worst team in the league in +/-. The status quo is not 5-11 - we were damn lucky (unlucky from a draft position perspective) to win 5 games this year. With better coaching and a worse team, we may go 4-12. If we improve from having the worst offense in the league, I hope we keep Chip Kelly. It's unrealistic to expect any coach to have success with this roster.

How are we a worse team than last year? We lost a Guard (Boone) that didn't even play well last year, that's it. We are one week into Free Agency and we still have 12 draft picks to get better, with three of those coming in the top 70. It's hard to imagine us not being more talented by the start of the season Combine that with the fact that our coaching staff is worlds better than what we had last year and I'd say we will be drastically improved both from a talent and coaching standpoint..