The Hayne Thread version 3,142

Originally posted by Zealot:

I support the guy, sure, and full marks to him for what he's done/doing, but I'm not all that emotionally invested in the outcome.

Have you invested hours of your personal time in the Hayne thread and made countless posts and comments with your opinion on Hayne, argued and debated with many others about him?

But you actually typed that you are not emotionally invested in the outcome

That my friend is the best post I have read From you.

It's like people that keep reading articles about celebs and then feel the need to post comments about said articles with the claim they cant believe all the articles being made about that celeb

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by Zealot:

Rather than being pessimistic, I prefer to think I'm keeping my options open. I didn't say hes not gonna make it, just that I can see the possibility that he won't as being a real one. It doesn't really feel like a stretch to me based on what I saw last year.

When I say his performance needs to be better, I don't mean in terms of physical prowess, there's no doubt in that area. It's more in terms of decision making, situational awareness and game smarts specific to the roles he is expected to fulfil. If what many have said about his coaches being so inept and unable to impart the required knowledge is true, then would it not be reasonable to say Hayne may actually be behind in that area? We all saw Gabbert tugging on his arm on that play against Detroit. In any case, those things aren't necessarily easy to teach, because in 99.9% of cases, players have 15+ years of experience making it less necessary to focus on those things like they may need to with Hayne purely due to his lack of NFL experience.

I guess what it boils down to is, can Hayne continue to assimilate the knowledge and demonstrate the required practical outcomes to 1. Satisfy the coaches 2. Beat out whoever will compete with him for roster places 3. Translate what he learns in training to real game performance.

We await the answers.

You are failing to properly apportion "risk" to possibilities and hence your over focus on negative possibilities when assessing potential outcomes. From what I see you attribute to much to the possibility that he will fail and thus your assessment is overly negative.

The reality is that Hayne HAS played remarkable well for someone with ZERO American Football experience at the beginning of last April. From that point he has continued to improve beyond expectation to the end of the season. He is now at the point where he has performed better then any other RB rookie and those other rookies had their life times filled from a small age with American Football experience. He was also better statistically, including fumble percentages, then the PR.

He is considered average as a RB in the entire league after only his first year.

There is no evidence or other indication that his ascent on the learning curve has either slow, stopped or gone negative.

He did have exceptionally poor coaching and coaches with vision last season.

This season he has better coaches and a head coach with excellent vision and dynamic and unique plays who comes from a college background and hence has an eye for developing talent. The head coach has a knack for making excellent defensive plays compared to a coach who was absolutely clueless.

The main impediment to Hayne's learning and progress is now defunct, ie exceptionally poor coaching.

Hayne does not have any injury problems.

Hayne does not have any attitude problem.

Hayne does not have any learning difficulties.

Hayne has had a number of months away from the NFL which will give him a chance to relax and allow for the many lessons learned to sink in and give him time to contemplate and mull over his experiences of the 2015 season ie let the experience sink in.

On proper consideration of all of the facts there is very little chance Hayne will do nothing but improve Your failure to properly give weight to all of the positive and negative factors involved has derailed proper reason and resulted in a flawed analysis that is overly focused on remote negative potentials that have strayed from the path of realistic outcomes.

Rather, the situation is that it is extremely likely Hayne will make the 53 roster, again, but this time with experience behind him will be much more refined and potentially a 2nd String RB with high potential of repeat scoring.

I wouldn't say average as a running back in the entire league. He did get cut for some running backs that were not in the NFL at the time.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by Zealot:
Rather than being pessimistic, I prefer to think I'm keeping my options open. I didn't say hes not gonna make it, just that I can see the possibility that he won't as being a real one. It doesn't really feel like a stretch to me based on what I saw last year.

When I say his performance needs to be better, I don't mean in terms of physical prowess, there's no doubt in that area. It's more in terms of decision making, situational awareness and game smarts specific to the roles he is expected to fulfil. If what many have said about his coaches being so inept and unable to impart the required knowledge is true, then would it not be reasonable to say Hayne may actually be behind in that area? We all saw Gabbert tugging on his arm on that play against Detroit. In any case, those things aren't necessarily easy to teach, because in 99.9% of cases, players have 15+ years of experience making it less necessary to focus on those things like they may need to with Hayne purely due to his lack of NFL experience.

I guess what it boils down to is, can Hayne continue to assimilate the knowledge and demonstrate the required practical outcomes to 1. Satisfy the coaches 2. Beat out whoever will compete with him for roster places 3. Translate what he learns in training to real game performance.

We await the answers.

You are failing to properly apportion "risk" to possibilities and hence your over focus on negative possibilities when assessing potential outcomes. From what I see you attribute to much to the possibility that he will fail and thus your assessment is overly negative.

The reality is that Hayne HAS played remarkable well for someone with ZERO American Football experience at the beginning of last April. From that point he has continued to improve beyond expectation to the end of the season. He is now at the point where he has performed better then any other RB rookie and those other rookies had their life times filled from a small age with American Football experience. He was also better statistically, including fumble percentages, then the PR.

He is considered average as a RB in the entire league after only his first year.

There is no evidence or other indication that his ascent on the learning curve has either slow, stopped or gone negative.

He did have exceptionally poor coaching and coaches with vision last season.

This season he has better coaches and a head coach with excellent vision and dynamic and unique plays who comes from a college background and hence has an eye for developing talent. The head coach has a knack for making excellent defensive plays compared to a coach who was absolutely clueless.

The main impediment to Hayne's learning and progress is now defunct, ie exceptionally poor coaching.

Hayne does not have any injury problems.

Hayne does not have any attitude problem.

Hayne does not have any learning difficulties.

Hayne has had a number of months away from the NFL which will give him a chance to relax and allow for the many lessons learned to sink in and give him time to contemplate and mull over his experiences of the 2015 season ie let the experience sink in.

On proper consideration of all of the facts there is very little chance Hayne will do nothing but improve Your failure to properly give weight to all of the positive and negative factors involved has derailed proper reason and resulted in a flawed analysis that is overly focused on remote negative potentials that have strayed from the path of realistic outcomes.

Rather, the situation is that it is extremely likely Hayne will make the 53 roster, again, but this time with experience behind him will be much more refined and potentially a 2nd String RB with high potential of repeat scoring.

I wouldn't say average as a running back in the entire league. He did get cut for some running backs that were not in the NFL at the time.

The stats about that were posted in the last thread. Unfortunately, I cant remember the source and that thread has been deleted due to the actions of others and not you or I.

The stats said his performance was average in NFL. I prefer them over your figuring.

Perhaps whoever posted them could do it again?

Originally posted by pd24:
I wouldn't say average as a running back in the entire league. He did get cut for some running backs that were not in the NFL at the time.

He got cut for Kendall Gaskins who in the wash up did not perform as well as Hayne statistically. The other RB came in later when the coaches were running around like chickens without heads lol

So are you saying the coaches who all got sacked for being hopeless are the ones who guide your judgement over why Hayne got cut and that they made the right decision in doing that?

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by pd24:

I wouldn't say average as a running back in the entire league. He did get cut for some running backs that were not in the NFL at the time.

He got cut for Kendall Gaskins who in the wash up did not perform as well as Hayne statistically. The other RB came in later when the coaches were running around like chickens without heads lol

So are you saying the coaches who all got sacked for being hopeless are the ones who guide your judgement over why Hayne got cut and that they made the right decision in doing that?

Fact is, he got cut. Fact is he is a long shot to make it this upcoming year.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by pd24:
I wouldn't say average as a running back in the entire league. He did get cut for some running backs that were not in the NFL at the time.

He got cut for Kendall Gaskins who in the wash up did not perform as well as Hayne statistically. The other RB came in later when the coaches were running around like chickens without heads lol

So are you saying the coaches who all got sacked for being hopeless are the ones who guide your judgement over why Hayne got cut and that they made the right decision in doing that?

Fact is, he got cut. Fact is he is a long shot to make it this upcoming year.

And who is coming back to the 49ers for the preseason?

Originally posted by Fruju:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by pd24:

I wouldn't say average as a running back in the entire league. He did get cut for some running backs that were not in the NFL at the time.

He got cut for Kendall Gaskins who in the wash up did not perform as well as Hayne statistically. The other RB came in later when the coaches were running around like chickens without heads lol

So are you saying the coaches who all got sacked for being hopeless are the ones who guide your judgement over why Hayne got cut and that they made the right decision in doing that?

Fact is, he got cut. Fact is he is a long shot to make it this upcoming year.

And who is coming back to the 49ers for the preseason?

And what does that mean? They will have 90 players at camp. 37 get cut.

Originally posted by pd24:
And what does that mean? They will have 90 players at camp. 37 get cut.

Yes, but those coaches who knew how to use him won't be there will they!

Originally posted by Fruju:

Originally posted by pd24:

And what does that mean? They will have 90 players at camp. 37 get cut.

Yes, but those coaches who knew how to use him won't be there will they!

Lol. Sure

The facts are that no matter how red white or blue in the face we all,get Hayne and the niners will sort it out amongst themselves. Next.

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

The facts are that no matter how red white or blue in the face we all,get Hayne and the niners will sort it out amongst themselves. Next.

True.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by pd24:

I wouldn't say average as a running back in the entire league. He did get cut for some running backs that were not in the NFL at the time.

He got cut for Kendall Gaskins who in the wash up did not perform as well as Hayne statistically. The other RB came in later when the coaches were running around like chickens without heads lol

So are you saying the coaches who all got sacked for being hopeless are the ones who guide your judgement over why Hayne got cut and that they made the right decision in doing that?

Fact is, he got cut. Fact is he is a long shot to make it this upcoming year.

Regardless of long shot or not Hayne will definitely work hardest to get back in the 53 or 46 active, he is determined.

Originally posted by 4x4niner:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by pd24:

I wouldn't say average as a running back in the entire league. He did get cut for some running backs that were not in the NFL at the time.

He got cut for Kendall Gaskins who in the wash up did not perform as well as Hayne statistically. The other RB came in later when the coaches were running around like chickens without heads lol

So are you saying the coaches who all got sacked for being hopeless are the ones who guide your judgement over why Hayne got cut and that they made the right decision in doing that?

Fact is, he got cut. Fact is he is a long shot to make it this upcoming year.

Regardless of long shot or not Hayne will definitely work hardest to get back in the 53 or 46 active, he is determined.

That is easy to say, but so far his actions indicate he really isn't working to be better at the game of football. Unless you can provide a link, he hasn't been trying to learn the game or his position.

Originally posted by pd24:
Fact is, he got cut. Fact is he is a long shot to make it this upcoming year.

Fact is you don't consider statistics. Fact is your opinion is biased and means little to me. Fact is I only value balanced opinions not opinions that only want to stir up unpleasantness

Try and be a bit more balanced and pleasant then I may reply to you again. Have a nice night

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by pd24:

Fact is, he got cut. Fact is he is a long shot to make it this upcoming year.

Fact is you don't consider statistics. Fact is your opinion is biased and means little to me. Fact is I only value balanced opinions not opinions that only want to stir up unpleasantness

Try and be a bit more balanced and pleasant then I may reply to you again. Have a nice night

Stats? If everything was based on stats, some team would have picked him up if he was average