Current players under contract ,most likely traded or cut after season

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Well, we disagree. He had a down year but so did the entire team. The off sides or encroachment penalties are a sign of trying to manufacture some extra advantage...not good for a veteran, but not that unusual. If he has his head on straight and would agree to restructure to help the team he would be at least the second best OLB on the team. why cut quallity if you can't replace it? Guys like Brooks don't grow on trees...just ask Lemonier or Harold.

I'm hoping Brooks becomes less important next year and can be replaced, but not this year. Not sure how much of his guaranteed contract the niners could clear.

Bethea was that guys this year...unsure if Tartt and McCray would be up to speed, but now they can let him go.

They would save over $6 million but cutting him

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BobS:

That's a laugh. He had regressed to one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL statistic wise, you would be lucky to get a 5th for him.

Well I disagree with that...he's taken a team to 2 NFC championships and a SB. Alex sucked for 5+ years and we got two 2nds. A big plus is that contract with Kap in a trade. Yeah he's due like $12.5 million (around there I think) but it's year to year no long term commitment which is HUGE. QB needy teams dont have a ton of options in FA and this draft class isn't deep at all.

Just because you don't like him doesn mean some other team doesn't value him...there was speculation of a couple teams interested in a trade before the deadline earlier this season.

Just because u didnt like Alex and u like kap doesn't mean we are going to get more value for kap than we did with Alex.. We traded alex at the perfect time, he came off a career year and all arrows pointed up. Kap came off a year low, got benched for a bad qb and had a injury.

Stop thinking emotionally and think logically. Their is many more years of nfl play from both qbs for you to find out whose better for your little argument between these 2 qbs. But as it stands, we more than likely will not get as much as we got for Alex. This is one of the few cases that I hope ill be wrong, but everything's saying that I won't be

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

They weren't offered contracts. Not the same as no one wanting to play. We are in bad enough shape without the narrative being altered.

Wrong MC was offered more money to stay here, he left

We will see who stays and who goes elsewhere. It will answer a lot of questions

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Just because u didnt like Alex and u like kap doesn't mean we are going to get more value for kap than we did with Alex.. We traded alex at the perfect time, he came off a career year and all arrows pointed up. Kap came off a year low, got benched for a bad qb and had a injury.

Stop thinking emotionally and think logically. Their is many more years of nfl play from both qbs for you to find out whose better for your little argument between these 2 qbs. But as it stands, we more than likely will not get as much as we got for Alex. This is one of the few cases that I hope ill be wrong, but everything's saying that I won't be

Lol there ya go putting words into my mouth again....were did I say I didn't like Alex and I liked Kap?? Please tell me...

I'm so far from emotionally attached to Kap. The market is what sets up his worth along with play. so he had a bad year with a horrible coaching staff? There are a ton of teams that need a QB and there is zero in FA and not much in the draft.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They would save over $6 million but cutting him

What aren't they saving? That would be my point, or one of them. If they save $6 mil and sign a vet FA for ten...they are still paying too much for a guy who is not there...and one who could still be a very good backup. His guarantee is $8 mil. with a cap number of $9.6 mil.

I'm not up on just what a decent OLB makes but there don't seem to be many FAs next offseason, and perhaps none better than Brooks for the money. Could they induce Von Miller to SF? I doubt it and also doubt he would fit into this scheme...but since we don't know what changes there will be to the scheme...

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

What aren't they saving? That would be my point, or one of them. If they save $6 mil and sign a vet FA for ten...they are still paying too much for a guy who is not there...and one who could still be a very good backup. His guarantee is $8 mil. with a cap number of $9.6 mil.

I'm not up on just what a decent OLB makes but there don't seem to be many FAs next offseason, and perhaps none better than Brooks for the money. Could they induce Von Miller to SF? I doubt it and also doubt he would fit into this scheme...but since we don't know what changes there will be to the scheme...

So you want to award him for is s**tty play the past two seasons??

That money can go towards Williams and Boone's contract...they can sign Bruce Irvin or Olivier Vernon who are younger and productive. It's about being smart and building for the future...brooks is not in he future and isn't even close to what he was in the past...plus has had a ton of red flags with the team. See ya later!

He will not be on the team in 2016 and shouldn't be.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Just because u didnt like Alex and u like kap doesn't mean we are going to get more value for kap than we did with Alex.. We traded alex at the perfect time, he came off a career year and all arrows pointed up. Kap came off a year low, got benched for a bad qb and had a injury.

Stop thinking emotionally and think logically. Their is many more years of nfl play from both qbs for you to find out whose better for your little argument between these 2 qbs. But as it stands, we more than likely will not get as much as we got for Alex. This is one of the few cases that I hope ill be wrong, but everything's saying that I won't be

Lol there ya go putting words into my mouth again....were did I say I didn't like Alex and I liked Kap?? Please tell me...

I'm so far from emotionally attached to Kap. The market is what sets up his worth along with play. so he had a bad year with a horrible coaching staff? There are a ton of teams that need a QB and there is zero in FA and not much in the draft.

When u dumb down what we got for Alex saying "Alex sucked for 5+ years and we got two 2nds for him" implys something because it sure isnt implying logic. We didnt get rid of Alex after 5 sucking years. We got rid of him after a 13-3 season and he was then quarterbacking a team favored to go to the Super Bowl until he got injured. He didnt play another snap until he was traded. He was at the peak of his trade level.

So for you to acknowledge kap for his "appearances" In the playoffs but neglect his bad year, but then to acknowledge smiths bad years but neglect his good years, pretty much implys what your feeling.

If we traded kap at the end of 2013 we would have gotten a kings ransom. Now after whats happened we are lucky to get a single 2nd rounder. Kap regressed, and a trade is all about what have they done lately. U dont trade for randy moss expecting what he did when he was 27. You trade for what they are now. So we traded alex for what he was then, we are now trading kap for what he is now, not what he did or was.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
What aren't they saving? That would be my point, or one of them. If they save $6 mil and sign a vet FA for ten...they are still paying too much for a guy who is not there...and one who could still be a very good backup. His guarantee is $8 mil. with a cap number of $9.6 mil.

I'm not up on just what a decent OLB makes but there don't seem to be many FAs next offseason, and perhaps none better than Brooks for the money. Could they induce Von Miller to SF? I doubt it and also doubt he would fit into this scheme...but since we don't know what changes there will be to the scheme...

So you want to award him for is s**tty play the past two seasons??

That money can go towards Williams and Boone's contract...they can sign Bruce Irvin or Olivier Vernon who are younger and productive. It's about being smart and building for the future...brooks is not in he future and isn't even close to what he was in the past...plus has had a ton of red flags with the team. See ya later!

He will not be on the team in 2016 and shouldn't be.

Since that's not what I said...no. Try reading posts before responding. I get that you don't like the guy, that's beside the point. He plays better at OLB than any other player on the niners. Lynch has more upside, after that...questions.

He was playing for a new DC this year and was nicked up last year. He came to camp in shape so that character issue was taken care of...this year.

Seriously, what would you do with him? Trade him? For what? Cut him and take the cap hit? And you haven't clarified what the cap hit would be...so?

The team is set to be nearly $40 million under the cap to start the 2016 offseason before making the call on Kap . . . and that without a long line of youngsters worthy of offering huge money extensions to. Point being, cap savings shouldn't be a priority over keeping experienced players who can play unless, 1.) they're clearly dead weight and/or 2.) they'll be blocking the path for a young promising upgrade.

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

When u dumb down what we got for Alex saying "Alex sucked for 5+ years and we got two 2nds for him" implys something because it sure isnt implying logic. We didnt get rid of Alex after 5 sucking years. We got rid of him after a 13-3 season and he was then quarterbacking a team favored to go to the Super Bowl until he got injured. He didnt play another snap until he was traded. He was at the peak of his trade level.

So for you to acknowledge kap for his "appearances" In the playoffs but neglect his bad year, but then to acknowledge smiths bad years but neglect his good years, pretty much implys what your feeling.

If we traded kap at the end of 2013 we would have gotten a kings ransom. Now after whats happened we are lucky to get a single 2nd rounder. Kap regressed, and a trade is all about what have they done lately. U dont trade for randy moss expecting what he did when he was 27. You trade for what they are now. So we traded alex for what he was then, we are now trading kap for what he is now, not what he did or was.

Qbs that make it to two NFC champtionship and a SB don't go on the market very much. Hell the Rams got a 2nd for Bradford and what the hell did he ever do?

Yeah Alex played well for a little over a season but before that he played 5 poor seasons... Why can't a coaching staff not do the same with a younger Kap?

It's the most important position in sports dude and it's an amazing contract with little to commit too...if they want to trade him they will get more than a 5th that's a joke.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Since that's not what I said...no. Try reading posts before responding. I get that you don't like the guy, that's beside the point. He plays better at OLB than any other player on the niners. Lynch has more upside, after that...questions.

He was playing for a new DC this year and was nicked up last year. He came to camp in shape so that character issue was taken care of...this year.

Seriously, what would you do with him? Trade him? For what? Cut him and take the cap hit? And you haven't clarified what the cap hit would be...so?

I'd have no issue cutting him and taking a $3 million dollar hit vs giving him $10 million to play like s**t. Like you said we have a ton of space.

It's not that I don't like him...he's not good and not worth the contract and not worth taking snaps over some one else who actually might be productive. It's about winning first.

It's fine if you think keeping a 31 yr old OLB who's sub par at $10 million...I don't think it's smart at all.

I understand cutting Brooks but I think he can still play solid and we don't have that great of depth at OLB

I want Brooks gone, but if he's willing to rework his deal, and take a pretty big pay cut, then I'm game for keeping him around to be a veteran leader to some of the young OLB's we currently have (Harold, Carradine, Lemonier). If Brooks won't take a big pay cut, then adios. We can use the savings from him to actually bring in a young upgrade like Irvin or someone else.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

I want Brooks gone, but if he's willing to rework his deal, and take a pretty big pay cut, then I'm game for keeping him around to be a veteran leader to some of the young OLB's we currently have (Harold, Carradine, Lemonier). If Brooks won't take a big pay cut, then adios. We can use the savings from him to actually bring in a young upgrade like Irvin or someone else.