Week 14 2015: Thoughts after rewatching the game... | Page 9

Marvin49 · 2015-12-14T08:14:40-08:00

1) Gabbert: ...and THAT is why I was hesitant to crown him. LOL. To be clear, I'm not writing him off either. Anyone can have a bad day and he was under constant pressure all day...but some of those sacks are on him just as many sacks of Kap were on Kap. Big step back yesterday though. No question really. Held the ball a few times when he shouldn't have and didn't really make any great throws. Tough to watch. 2) O-Line: That was rough. Struggling players and an injury to boot. At times it looked like they had just given up. Marcus Martin is HORRIFIC. Can't play guard. Can't play center. Effectively simply can't play. I wish they'd play Brandon Thomas just to see what he's got. Could he REALLY be THAT much worse than Martin? 3) Armstead: There wasn't a lot pretty going on out there if you were a Niner fan, but Armstead is a bright spot. MAN that guys got power. Yes, he got a sack. Yes, he got in the face of the QB on a few plays...but there was one play I had to watch 5 or 6 times. He bull rushes the guard and puts the guy flat on his a$$ forcing Manziel to scramble left. I really don't know what his critics are watching when they watch him play. Surely he isn't perfect, but he's got all the makings of a DAMN good 3-4 end and seems to be improving with every passing game. 4) Tartt: Same deal. Looks like a really great pick so far. I think Betheas days are done in SF. He's not getting his job back. There are times that Tartt misses tackles though and it concerns me, but on the whole I think it was a really good pick. Say what you want about Baalke, but I think he may have just found 2 really good pieces moving forward in the top two rounds of the draft. 5) Harold: Yeah. Not so much. Thoroughly unimpressed so far. 6) Reid: I know there are a lot of critics for Reid on this site as well and I am typically not one of them...but MAN that guy has got to learn to take better angles. Often seems to be in the wrong position when trying to make a tackle. Right now, both safeties are good hitters but not great tacklers. That needs to change. 7) Hyde: Sometimes, I really hate being right. I'd have to go back and check, but I'm pretty sure in my very first "thoughts" thread of the season I mentioned that I really like Hyde, but that his running style made me nervous about him staying healthy. Two years now and he's been injured in both. Now in IR. I actually like the move to IR as I see no reason why he should be playing this time of year with this record, but moving forward they need to get another guy. They can't depend on Hyde to stay healthy. Droughns? Maybe. They need to draft somebody and considering that they've taken a back in every draft for like 8 straight years, I'm guessing they'll do so again. 8) Dial: For all the BS Baalke gets for taking injured players, nobody seems to give him much credit for taking Dial late in the draft. He's turned into a pretty solid player for them. He's not going to set the world on fire rushing the passer and Pass Rush will be a huge need going into the offseason, but Dial has really turned into a good find in round 5. 9) Martin: I just felt in necessary to mention AGAIN how badly Marcus Martin sucks. Its really painful. 10) Draft: So back up to the 5th pick again. Three more weeks before this nightmare of a season is over and we can hopefully begin looking forward to better things in the future.

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:55 PM

#121

bzborow1
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Gabbert had 2 open receivers for the first down to beat the blitz right in front of him. But he didn't throw the ball. I wonder why..lol

Actually, I'm wondering why we have 2 receivers slamming into each other 2 yards from the line of scrimmage. He should have got the ball out quicker there.

[ Edited by bzborow1 on Dec 14, 2015 at 3:56 PM ]

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:55 PM

#122

thl408
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Martin sucks at everything. Just like Lemonier. Those two WRs were about to run into one another trying to execute a Mesh concept. Sloppy sloppy everywhere.

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:55 PM

#123

susweel
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Gabbert had 2 open receivers for the first down to beat the blitz right in front of him. But he didn't throw the ball. I wonder why..lol

Didn't want to risk an incompletion it might drop his completion percentage.

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:57 PM

#124

Marvin49
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Originally posted by Brewcrew:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Godfather:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Godfather:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by cNiner:
sorry Man , I was sick after the game , never in my life felt that way even Sing days and the guys before him. JT even worse than Sing !

But why even get emotionally involved? Seasons been over for awhile. Wins and Losses only determining draft position.

Them looking that bad only highlights where the problems are. I much prefer a game like Cleveland that illustrates the fact that a total rebuild may be in order than a game like Chicago where you get a false sense that they can "get by".

My worst nightmare is them winning just enough games to lose a top 10 pick AND make ownership everything can be hunky dory.

If we had a GM that had picked a decent OL in the draft over the last few years we wouldn't be starting guy who shouldn't even be on a team. So what good is a high draft pick if you are always picking the wrong talent?

Take chances on half a dozen hurt players who have produced nothing is one reason we are where we are.

How many players on our team would start for good teams? Maybe a handful? I know injuries happen but we have a team of barely backups to practice squad maybes.

They did not resign Frank Gore. 8 or 9 guys have carried the ball for the 49ers this year. That is unheard of.
They trade 3 or 4 Tight Ends? I've lost count. They are down to starting a Rookie and a practice squad player.
They traded for OL who should not be on the team let alone a starter.

There is nothing more to see here. This team needs an enema and it starts at the GM.

This is the worst logic ever.

"Our GM sucks so who cares if we get a good pick?". Well in that case, who cares about anything ever?

For the record...

That same GM selected the two players we lost this offseason along the O-Line. Who expects a 26 year old RT to retire?

Yup, his OTHER picks at O-Line haven't worked out, but it doesn't work out for everyone all the time...ever.

Frank Gore is currently averaging 3.6 yards per carry in Indy. Get over it.

When he was healthy, Hyde was averaging 4.0 yards per carry behind the worst line in football.

TE? Did you see Vernon lose the game for Denver? They got a pick for a player that's DONE. Did you see McDonald get hurt? Did you see Celek get hurt? How exactly is that the GMs fault?

They traded for a lineman when it became clear Thomas wasn't working out and neither were the other young players on the team. Its not like starting O-Linemen are just sitting out there to be had just before the season starts. Mathis was never an option because he wanted to play for a winner and the 49ers were not viewed as such.

This BS about Baalke is just as lazy as the BS with York. No GM is perfect.

Who has Baalke drafted?

Anthony Davis. Mike Iupati. Navorro Bowman. Aldon Smith. Colin Kaepernick. Chris Culliver. Daniel Kilgore. Bruce Miller. Eric Reid. Quinton Dial. Jimmie Ward. Carlos Hyde. Chris Borland. Aaron Lynch. Kenneth Acker. Arik Armstead. Jaquiski Tartt.

...among others.

No GM bats 1000. NOBODY. Nobody bats .500. Just doesn't happen. Not every player selected is going to be a starting NFL player. Taking good backups is ALSO important.

I haven't even gotten to the luck he's had in the bargain basement in Free Agency. Clearly didn't work this year, but it has in a big way in the past (Rogers, Whitner, Goodwin).

You can ramble on for days if you want. Doesn't change the fact we have a horrible team. The GM is responsible for that. Not sure what else to say.

Right....and unexpected player retirements, injuries, players aging and player legal stupidity had absolutely nothing to do with it. Dude, please.

There are good GMs on bad teams all over the place. Circumstance has just as much to do with it as the GM does.

Put another way, how good would the team be with Anthony Davis? How much better would they be with Aldon Smith playing opposite Aaron Lynch? How good would they be with Willis or Borland playing beside Bowman?

How good would they be it Hyde could stay on the field?

Complicated issue. Efforts to simplify it in an effort to put blame on someone are foolish.

Funny part is I just gave you a long string of players that were very good or are very promising and you flat ignored it to again make no real point whatsoever other than you are unwilling to see a more nuanced view than "HE SUCKS!!".
This is also the same GM that let culliver walk cox walk upattia walk Crabtree walk witner walk I mean he made mistakes also dude. There's an old saying you can't make chicken salad out of chicken s**t! He gonna be judged just like anyone else. Everyone needs to be held accountable for this joke of a team from top to bottom

Did you see the money Culliver and Cox signed for? Are they that much better than Brock and Acker?

Crab had a contract form SF and SIGNED FOR LESS in Oakland.

Dec 14, 2015 at 4:03 PM

#125

Niners816
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Originally posted by bzborow1:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Gabbert had 2 open receivers for the first down to beat the blitz right in front of him. But he didn't throw the ball. I wonder why..lol

Actually, I'm wondering why we have 2 receivers slamming into each other 2 yards from the line of scrimmage. He should have got the ball out quicker there.

I believe that's our patented mesh concept, where the WRs to to actually mesh....just an example of poor route running.

Dec 14, 2015 at 4:04 PM

#126

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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Did you see the money Culliver and Cox signed for? Are they that much better than Brock and Acker?

Crab had a contract form SF and SIGNED FOR LESS in Oakland.

This. Truth be told, Brock and Acker have been better. Cox and Culliver were not good this year.

Dec 14, 2015 at 4:51 PM

#127

NCommand
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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Did you see the money Culliver and Cox signed for? Are they that much better than Brock and Acker?

Crab had a contract form SF and SIGNED FOR LESS in Oakland.

This. Truth be told, Brock and Acker have been better. Cox and Culliver were not good this year.

All of this.

Cox is meh, Culliver blew out his ACL and was in and out of the lineup just like our boy, Iupati, Carrier has done nothing, we got Hodges for a guy who's never seen a snap, we got a pick for VD who Bronco fans hate already, Gore is meh and splits carries and Draughn alone has brought more versatility to the offense, Crabtree just wanted out to play for a team, like us, who will be watching the playoffs from home (but he got paid so expect no more training camps for him - LOL), Aldon's in jail, etc.

Who else?

How much did these teams MASSIVELY overpay for that "meh" production? That's good GMing right there. LOL

[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 14, 2015 at 4:59 PM ]

Dec 14, 2015 at 5:03 PM

#128

OldMort49
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The ones who MASSIVELY overpaid are the season ticket holders and PSL owners.

[ Edited by OldMort49 on Dec 14, 2015 at 5:04 PM ]

Dec 14, 2015 at 5:07 PM

#129

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FWIW... Bill Walsh basically drafted a DYNASTY grade team in just a few years. Walsh...also never lost HALF the starters and the main coaches in one mass jailbreak. How many guys ESCAPED who had been Niner rd 1 picks? MOST of them. Baalke etc.....seemed taken by surprise. No communication. It was a meltdown and The Front office has to be held to blame. The Niners... not so long ago almost Super Bowl Champs.... got their butts kicked by the BROWNS... who had looked like " the worst". Is the bleeding stopped yet? We shall see.

Dec 14, 2015 at 5:08 PM

#130

49erfeeeever808
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Did you see the money Culliver and Cox signed for? Are they that much better than Brock and Acker?

Crab had a contract form SF and SIGNED FOR LESS in Oakland.

This. Truth be told, Brock and Acker have been better. Cox and Culliver were not good this year.

All of this.

Cox is meh, Culliver blew out his ACL and was in and out of the lineup just like our boy, Iupati, Carrier has done nothing, we got Hodges for a guy who's never seen a snap, we got a pick for VD who Bronco fans hate already, Gore is meh and splits carries and Draughn alone has brought more versatility to the offense, Crabtree just wanted out to play for a team, like us, who will be watching the playoffs from home (but he got paid so expect no more training camps for him - LOL), Aldon's in jail, etc.

Who else?

How much did these teams MASSIVELY overpay for that "meh" production? That's good GMing right there. LOL

this makes me miss the old coaching staff more.........

Dec 14, 2015 at 5:10 PM

#131

NCommand
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Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Did you see the money Culliver and Cox signed for? Are they that much better than Brock and Acker?

Crab had a contract form SF and SIGNED FOR LESS in Oakland.

This. Truth be told, Brock and Acker have been better. Cox and Culliver were not good this year.

All of this.

Cox is meh, Culliver blew out his ACL and was in and out of the lineup just like our boy, Iupati, Carrier has done nothing, we got Hodges for a guy who's never seen a snap, we got a pick for VD who Bronco fans hate already, Gore is meh and splits carries and Draughn alone has brought more versatility to the offense, Crabtree just wanted out to play for a team, like us, who will be watching the playoffs from home (but he got paid so expect no more training camps for him - LOL), Aldon's in jail, etc.

Who else?

How much did these teams MASSIVELY overpay for that "meh" production? That's good GMing right there. LOL

this makes me miss the old coaching staff more.........

Understandable.

Dec 14, 2015 at 5:22 PM

#132

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This whole staff needs to be gone as soon as last game is over. That was horrendous to try & watch on Sunday in the backyard of the owners to one of the worst teams in the NFL who we made look like a powerhouse!

It will tough to watch these last few games

Dec 14, 2015 at 5:22 PM

#133

49erfeeeever808
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Did you see the money Culliver and Cox signed for? Are they that much better than Brock and Acker?

Crab had a contract form SF and SIGNED FOR LESS in Oakland.

This. Truth be told, Brock and Acker have been better. Cox and Culliver were not good this year.

All of this.

Cox is meh, Culliver blew out his ACL and was in and out of the lineup just like our boy, Iupati, Carrier has done nothing, we got Hodges for a guy who's never seen a snap, we got a pick for VD who Bronco fans hate already, Gore is meh and splits carries and Draughn alone has brought more versatility to the offense, Crabtree just wanted out to play for a team, like us, who will be watching the playoffs from home (but he got paid so expect no more training camps for him - LOL), Aldon's in jail, etc.

Who else?

How much did these teams MASSIVELY overpay for that "meh" production? That's good GMing right there. LOL

this makes me miss the old coaching staff more.........

Understandable.

to be honest, i believe we do have a solid core of players (outside of the o-line). but the coaching staff has no clue wtf they are doing. IMO, Reid is the best example. solid in coverage under fangio, but under mangini.... wtf are you doing no where near the ball.

Dec 14, 2015 at 5:23 PM

#134

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Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by cNiner:
sorry Man , I was sick after the game , never in my life felt that way even Sing days and the guys before him. JT even worse than Sing !

But why even get emotionally involved? Seasons been over for awhile. Wins and Losses only determining draft position.

Them looking that bad only highlights where the problems are. I much prefer a game like Cleveland that illustrates the fact that a total rebuild may be in order than a game like Chicago where you get a false sense that they can "get by".

My worst nightmare is them winning just enough games to lose a top 10 pick AND make ownership everything can be hunky dory.

The big question is, "Do you think Jim Tomsula is a coach that can bring this team out of a rebuild?" Which of course has the natural follow-on, "Do you trust Trent Baalke to restock this roster?". I'd be awfully skeptical if the answer to both of those questions are yes.

Dec 14, 2015 at 5:26 PM

#135

Niners816
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Originally posted by NCommand:
All of this.

Cox is meh, Culliver blew out his ACL and was in and out of the lineup just like our boy, Iupati, Carrier has done nothing, we got Hodges for a guy who's never seen a snap, we got a pick for VD who Bronco fans hate already, Gore is meh and splits carries and Draughn alone has brought more versatility to the offense, Crabtree just wanted out to play for a team, like us, who will be watching the playoffs from home (but he got paid so expect no more training camps for him - LOL), Aldon's in jail, etc.

Who else?

How much did these teams MASSIVELY overpay for that "meh" production? That's good GMing right there. LOL

The "30 for 30" or "a football life" on the demise of the 2011-14 49ers is gonna be fascinating (if they make one). Ego's and just really s**tty luck made this fall shift and complete. Jed f**ked up by handling it the way he did, Harbs is gonna have a hard time find a team that was as seemingly stack as we where in the cap era of he ever wants back in the pro game and us as fans have to suffer through the bull s**t. It's just so frustrating and so unnecessary.

I'm fine with them wanting to move on from Harbs. However, I can't imagine handling it any worse. You can't make it looks like you force out a 70% win guy. If he really wants to leave you make him quit or work out the duration of his contract.

It's just sucks.....the mood and environment around the team is mid '00s low and we really are the worst team in the league. I said it earlier, I hope this loss to the s**tty ass Ohio-based Browns shames the Ohio-based Yorks in to rebooting it. I really don't know how much more evidence they need, getting out gained 475+ to 150 until garbage time by a team that's gonna lose 12+ games should seal Tomsula's fate.

[ Edited by Niners816 on Dec 14, 2015 at 5:28 PM ]