Week 14 2015: Thoughts after rewatching the game... | Page 7

Marvin49 · 2015-12-14T08:14:40-08:00

1) Gabbert: ...and THAT is why I was hesitant to crown him. LOL. To be clear, I'm not writing him off either. Anyone can have a bad day and he was under constant pressure all day...but some of those sacks are on him just as many sacks of Kap were on Kap. Big step back yesterday though. No question really. Held the ball a few times when he shouldn't have and didn't really make any great throws. Tough to watch. 2) O-Line: That was rough. Struggling players and an injury to boot. At times it looked like they had just given up. Marcus Martin is HORRIFIC. Can't play guard. Can't play center. Effectively simply can't play. I wish they'd play Brandon Thomas just to see what he's got. Could he REALLY be THAT much worse than Martin? 3) Armstead: There wasn't a lot pretty going on out there if you were a Niner fan, but Armstead is a bright spot. MAN that guys got power. Yes, he got a sack. Yes, he got in the face of the QB on a few plays...but there was one play I had to watch 5 or 6 times. He bull rushes the guard and puts the guy flat on his a$$ forcing Manziel to scramble left. I really don't know what his critics are watching when they watch him play. Surely he isn't perfect, but he's got all the makings of a DAMN good 3-4 end and seems to be improving with every passing game. 4) Tartt: Same deal. Looks like a really great pick so far. I think Betheas days are done in SF. He's not getting his job back. There are times that Tartt misses tackles though and it concerns me, but on the whole I think it was a really good pick. Say what you want about Baalke, but I think he may have just found 2 really good pieces moving forward in the top two rounds of the draft. 5) Harold: Yeah. Not so much. Thoroughly unimpressed so far. 6) Reid: I know there are a lot of critics for Reid on this site as well and I am typically not one of them...but MAN that guy has got to learn to take better angles. Often seems to be in the wrong position when trying to make a tackle. Right now, both safeties are good hitters but not great tacklers. That needs to change. 7) Hyde: Sometimes, I really hate being right. I'd have to go back and check, but I'm pretty sure in my very first "thoughts" thread of the season I mentioned that I really like Hyde, but that his running style made me nervous about him staying healthy. Two years now and he's been injured in both. Now in IR. I actually like the move to IR as I see no reason why he should be playing this time of year with this record, but moving forward they need to get another guy. They can't depend on Hyde to stay healthy. Droughns? Maybe. They need to draft somebody and considering that they've taken a back in every draft for like 8 straight years, I'm guessing they'll do so again. 8) Dial: For all the BS Baalke gets for taking injured players, nobody seems to give him much credit for taking Dial late in the draft. He's turned into a pretty solid player for them. He's not going to set the world on fire rushing the passer and Pass Rush will be a huge need going into the offseason, but Dial has really turned into a good find in round 5. 9) Martin: I just felt in necessary to mention AGAIN how badly Marcus Martin sucks. Its really painful. 10) Draft: So back up to the 5th pick again. Three more weeks before this nightmare of a season is over and we can hopefully begin looking forward to better things in the future.

Dec 14, 2015 at 2:55 PM

#91

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Originally posted by Janitor:
I think NCommand's list is flawed. A starter shouldn't count as a "hit" if they absolutely blow. Marcus Martin a "hit"? C'mon man....

See my notes on that one. Bottom line is, he was a starter. You can argue the quality and circumstances but by the operational definition, he's a hit.

Notes: One may consider noting that Marcus Martin is not a Starter or Starter worthy and they'd take Joe Looney any day over him.

Dec 14, 2015 at 2:55 PM

#92

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Originally posted by Janitor:
I think NCommand's list is flawed. A starter shouldn't count as a "hit" if they absolutely blow. Marcus Martin a "hit"? C'mon man....

Or if they're starting because they're literally the only uninjured person at their position, lulz.

Dec 14, 2015 at 2:55 PM

#93

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Only way I could have watched that hot garbage again is if I was either very drunk or tied to a chair. I hear the FBI is going to use this video to torture terrorist. No need for water boarding they will sing like canaries before half

Dec 14, 2015 at 2:56 PM

#94

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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Yesterday's loss reminded me of 2006 all over again when we made guys like Damon Huard look like HOFers.

Hah!. That running back Crowell guy was looking like Jim Brown.

20carries, 145yds, 2 TDs

You're saying that wasn't Jim brown out there? I know he was at that game....I just assumed a back averaging over 7 yards a rip had to be Jim brown.

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:00 PM

#95

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Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by 9erReign:
Arik Armstead a hit? lol

And dudes who aren't even in the league anymore are also hits? I think the player needs to still be on the team 4 years later to be considered a hit.

Please explain why Armstead is NOT a hit.

Only peeps who really don't want to see it are saying he hasn't been playing well.

13 games, 11 tackles, 2 sacks? http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2971275/arik-armstead

If he wasn't on the worst team in the NFL I doubt he would be playing.

Right...because tackles and sacks are the only measure of a good 3-4 end. SMDH.

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:02 PM

#96

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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Arik Armstead a hit? lol

And dudes who aren't even in the league anymore are also hits? I think the player needs to still be on the team 4 years later to be considered a hit.

Please explain why Armstead is NOT a hit.

Only peeps who really don't want to see it are saying he hasn't been playing well.

13 games, 11 tackles, 2 sacks? http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2971275/arik-armstead

If he wasn't on the worst team in the NFL I doubt he would be playing.

Right...because tackles and sacks are the only measure of a good 3-4 end. SMDH.

Box score fans are fun.

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:07 PM

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In regards to Armstead, everything I see on gamedays and read about in post-game analysis is positive.

DE Arik Armstead (+2.8) continued his strong play this season, finishing with a sack, four QB hurries, and the second-highest run defense grade on the defense. Armstead plays limited snaps, but his 15.1 pass rushing productivity is the highest among all 3-4 DE's in the league.

The fact he's been a part time player most of the year is an indictment against the coaching staff, not Armstead. The guy is a stud. Fantastic pick, they need to leave him on the field and let him go to work. He needs to clean up technique, that will come with experience. In the meantime he's throwing people around like rag dolls with shear strength and superior athleticism for the position.

How anyone could not like the guy as a young 22 year old is beyond me.

[ Edited by SofaKing on Dec 14, 2015 at 3:07 PM ]

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:09 PM

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Originally posted by SofaKing:
In regards to Armstead, everything I see on gamedays and read about in post-game analysis is positive.

DE Arik Armstead (+2.8) continued his strong play this season, finishing with a sack, four QB hurries, and the second-highest run defense grade on the defense. Armstead plays limited snaps, but his 15.1 pass rushing productivity is the highest among all 3-4 DE's in the league.

The fact he's been a part time player most of the year is an indictment against the coaching staff, not Armstead. The guy is a stud. Fantastic pick, they need to leave him on the field and let him go to work. He needs to clean up technique, that will come with experience. In the meantime he's throwing people around like rag dolls with shear strength and superior athleticism for the position.

How anyone could not like the guy as a young 22 year old is beyond me.

Completely agree. I have no idea why anyone is complaining about Armstead - he's one of the few bright spots.

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:10 PM

#99

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Armstead - 7 out of 10. Would recommend.

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:11 PM

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Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by Janitor:
I think NCommand's list is flawed. A starter shouldn't count as a "hit" if they absolutely blow. Marcus Martin a "hit"? C'mon man....

Or if they're starting because they're literally the only uninjured person at their position, lulz.

I do agree with that. GM had a choice between Martin or Looney or both (started several games for us) once Kilgore had a 2nd surgery. Remember we ditched Looney b/c we were moving away from power and to a ZBS. Martin was the top C in the draft and started late last year. Was only 20. From there it's on the coaches to develop him. And he and the coaches failed miserably. Sadly. But the GM did do his job there...he grabbed the top C in the draft just in case Kilgore couldn't return.

[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 14, 2015 at 3:13 PM ]

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:12 PM

#101

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Originally posted by crake49:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
In regards to Armstead, everything I see on gamedays and read about in post-game analysis is positive.

DE Arik Armstead (+2.8) continued his strong play this season, finishing with a sack, four QB hurries, and the second-highest run defense grade on the defense. Armstead plays limited snaps, but his 15.1 pass rushing productivity is the highest among all 3-4 DE's in the league.

The fact he's been a part time player most of the year is an indictment against the coaching staff, not Armstead. The guy is a stud. Fantastic pick, they need to leave him on the field and let him go to work. He needs to clean up technique, that will come with experience. In the meantime he's throwing people around like rag dolls with shear strength and superior athleticism for the position.

How anyone could not like the guy as a young 22 year old is beyond me.

Completely agree. I have no idea why anyone is complaining about Armstead - he's one of the few bright spots.

It's because baalke drafted him.....

[ Edited by Niners816 on Dec 14, 2015 at 3:19 PM ]

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:13 PM

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Originally posted by Niners816:
It's because baalke drafted him.....

Ding ding ding!

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:14 PM

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Sorry Marvin for derailing. Back to your assessment.

What are people's thoughts on Hodges? His speed is noticeable to me and he seemed to have a pretty good first start. Maybe thl/JD can highlight him and AA this week since they were the only two who had a decent game, right? LOL

[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 14, 2015 at 3:15 PM ]

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:17 PM

#104

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Originally posted by Morgan49:
Armstead - 7 out of 10. Would recommend.

I'm guessing the 3 who don't are susweel (Peters), Elephant (anti-Baalke anything) and well, never mind. Haha.

Dec 14, 2015 at 3:18 PM

#105

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Sorry Marvin for derailing. Back to your assessment.

What are people's thoughts on Hodges? His speed is noticeable to me and he seemed to have a pretty good first start. Maybe thl/JD can highlight him and AA this week since they were the only two who had a decent game, right? LOL

I have never been so unmotivated to look at game film than right now.