Week 3 2015: Thoughts after rewatching the game... | Page 4

Marvin49 · 2015-09-28T08:05:45-07:00

.............................. 1) Kap: Easily the worst game of his career. Bad decisions, bad throws, and worse results. As always, they guys breaking down the film can either confirm what I thought I saw or not, but it almost appeared early on he was fighting himself. Do I run? Do I stand in and try to deliver the pass? He'd get pressured but he didn't run away from it. He stood there and delivered the ball....poorly. The third INT really stood out because it appeared to me he was trying to put touch on the pass and put it over the defender...and missed horribly. After he threw those first three picks, it was like he was shell-shocked the rest of the game. He's feet weren't moving in the pocket. He was just standing flat footed, going through his reads, unwilling to throw the ball. He wasn't just "one read and running". He was going through several reads, but didn't seem to trust anything he saw so ended up running anyway. It was really odd to see, almost as if he was in slow motion. I don't know if I've ever seen him that shaken. He looked commanding in the pocket in the first 2 weeks of the season, but yesterday all that was gone. Will it come back? No idea. I really don't know what to make of this performance to be honest. There will be many here who will defend him and say it was a product of a bad line. I think it's fair to say the line had a big part to play in yesterdays outcome, but the line didn't make those poor decisions or poor throws yesterday. I guess you can say two things can be equally true. The line sucked. Kap sucked too. I'm also not inclined to say it was ALL his fault. To his credit he took 100% of the blame after the game and the terse one word answer Kaepernick appears to be a thing of the past. While he took the blame, he's incorrect in his analysis. MANY players (and coaches) had a part to play. He deserved a healthy portion of the blame, but there were problems all over the field. 2) Hyde: One of the few bright spots. If that guy could ever get the ball without 2 guys on top of him 2 yards behind the LOS, he could really be something. 3) Hayne: I am not and have never been a big Jarryd Hayne guy, but I have to give him props for essentially giving them the only opportunity to score all day. Nice return. 4) Bowman: I want to be careful not to make out like I'm putting any significant blame on him, but it is pretty clear that's he's not close to %100. He's just really slow all over the field and at times seems to make less that a 100% effort. I can only assume tis is not about heart or desire, but about confidence in the knee. Whatever it is, he's not close to the same guy right now. I can only hope that changes. 5) Mangini: This one is tough. I can't remember the last time I saw receivers running with so much space around them. I don't know if this was because the scheme was bad or because the players weren't correctly playing the scheme. I don't know if this is fixable. Is this just some early "new defensive scheme" growing pains, or is there no end in sight to wide open players running all over the secondary? 6) Armstead: Since he's been the object of so much criticism since the day he was drafted, I just wanted to point out that the young man flashed a few times yesterday. Had a sack, very nearly a second, and had a few good plays in the run game. Kids coming along. 7) Chryst: I am really torn here. I have been an advocate of getting back to what they were good at for a long time now. I have wanted to see them run an offense more like their 2012 selves since 2012. Not to put to fine a point on it, but a big reason the Seahawks have been as good with Wilson as they have been has been sticking to the heavy run/play action/read option/deep passing offense. That's what the 49ers are trying to do in order to take advantage of the things that Kap does really well. They are running the Pistol. They are using play action. Its everything I wanted to see...but teams are now teeing off on it. Throw it out? For what? I really don't know the answer here. Start over with a new QB? That's a question for next year. THIS year, I think we need to let it play out. 8) O-Line: As I've said before...I was concerned that the move to the ZBS was going to come with growing pains. That remains the case. RBs are getting hit in the backfield on a consistent basis. No RB can have sustained success with so little help from the Offensive Line...and that's to say nothing of Pass Protection. Something needs to change from a personnel perspective. Fast. Bring in Brandon Thomas? Silberman? Brown? Can they be worse than Devey or Pears? Move Boone back to RT? Losing Anthony Davis looms LARGE right now. I don't want this to turn into a blame Anthony Davis thing either. He's his own man and had to make his own life choices. None of us were in his shoes facing whatever challenges he's facing. I'd welcome him back if he chooses to return next year. THIS year however, losing him is brutal. 9) NFC What?: The entire division is now 2 games behind Arizona. Ya know what tho? I really don't care. This is no longer about what the rest of the division is doing. Its about just playing the games one by one hoping to make incremental improvement. If this season is going to go the way we all fear, they at least need to know what they have and what they need to improve. There is ALOT of football left and there will be better days, but getting caught up in the rest of the division is folly until THIS Niner team proves its even in the discussion. Right now, they aren't. 10) GB: I have a feeling that after losing 4 times in a row to the 49ers including twice in the playoffs, the Packers are going to come into Levis breathing fire. This is another game that could get ugly FAST. I would love to be the merchant of good news, but in all honesty I'm predicting another 40 burger as the Packers exact some revenge.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:07 AM

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jrouter4949
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Originally posted by ChazBoner:
lol, that's putting it lightly. Our HC, OC and DC are all retarded. But hey, there's a new kid on the block that has major HC potential. Our QB coach was a radio DJ before being hired on. Now that's scouting.

Our QB Coach was also a HC and has NFL experience , How convenient you LEFT that out and try to make it look like He`s a hack off the street,wow Chaz I thought you were better then that,ooh btw Logan is very good,you need to look at Geep and Mangini

[ Edited by jrouter4949 on Sep 28, 2015 at 10:07 AM ]

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:08 AM

#47

elguapo
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Originally posted by bleedredandgold:
Disaster from top to bottom . Our beloved organization has collapsed . Clearly letting Harbaugh go was a mistake as i wrote long ago . Tomsula stood on the sideline during our latest beating and looked like he was lost in thought about whether or not he turned off the coffee brewer when he left that morning .He's a def line coach period and it showed . Front office is to blame for letting the best coach we've had since walsh walk out the door .Our co-ordinators are out matched and their game plans are simple minded and fooling noone . Front office is to blame for that as well . Losing so many guys wasn't front office's fault . but not finding suitable players to plug in those holes ... well that was . Devey and pears are back ups period and have no place on a starting unit . Not signing Mathis ....or finding someone of quality to fill those spots is front office . Losing 2 corners and not drafting a ball hawk .... front office . Drafting armstead as a developmental pick with so many glaring needs is front office . When you lose as many vets as we did maybe we should have re-signed afew of our own to help guide the youngsters for 1 more year , crabtree with gore and aldon sounds pretty good to me right now .Front office mistakes have destroyed our team .i screamed bloody murder at all these moves and knew we were gonna be crap this year and to all who argued ... i told you so . I hope we loose every game this year just so we can draft afew quality players next year , but if we keep the clowns we got in management now .... were doomed . Tomsula needs to be fired and replaced immediately .

Here comes. Like a little kid......I told you so. I told you so. Well we told you so! That the Niners would destroy the Vikings and ap. I'm sure you didn't agree. Anyways it's kinda annoying after two games we were EXPECTED to lose on the road with 3 backup o lineman and so on, to have the I told you so people come in and say exactly that.

Truth is this team still has a very talented roster with more pro bowlers than most teams in the NFL. We just couldn't predict Aldon Anthony Davis being gone as well as Kilgore not being back. It has severely hampered this team.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:09 AM

#48

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Originally posted by Kolohe:
I just think Baalke can do better than Tramaine Brock, I also don't think he's starter material he was better when he was coming in on certain packages. I wanna see Keith Reaser get his shot or even Dontae Johnson, changes need to be made.

You can change the players all you want,they are not the big problem,the problem is with the DC.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:10 AM

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m_brockalexander
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The offensive line is a sieve, the defense can't generate a pass rush which exposes our porous secondary, and our QB gets rattled way too easily. Time to start scouting heavily for a complete rebuild. Way to go, Baalke and Jed! What a great backup plan to actually being a legit NFL team!

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:11 AM

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crake49
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It's all very disappointing and you'd have to know the usual suspects would be having a great time with their 'I told you so's' this morning. Oh well. I guess I'm glad someone is having a good day. Whatever floats their boat.

I haven't lost all hope, but you have to feel like we're in for a long season here.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:12 AM

#51

jrouter4949
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Originally posted by rdc1:
Interesting comments from the Arizona DB that came up with 2 interceptions. He said that the 49er passing game has been reduced so much that it is easy to predict routes.

Looks like history repeating itself, the last time Chryst was an OC he had Ryan Leaf as a QB, now he has Kap playing like Ryan Leaf.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm are you on to something here? could be,I do remember Leaf playing like this when he played.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:25 AM

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Have to agree with Marvin on this one. The only positives I could find out of this game include Hyde, Armstead and Hayne and the Aussie only had one good play. Thought I should point out the individuals who actually graded out positively yesterday, they include:

DE Arik Armstead (+1.7)
DE Quinton Dial (+1.0)
LT Joe Staley (+1.0)
TE Garrett Celek (+0.9)
CB Dontae Johnson (+0.9)

Food for thought. Are these guys grades being dragged into the mud because of the awfulness of some of their teammates?

On Kaepernick, yesterdays performance was so bad the 49ers might want to add some more QB's to the scouting department's list for next season. Colin is now four years in and to have coaches (still) saying they need to simplify the playbook while he goes out and plays so inconsistently is starting to wear thin. He's always had the potential and work effort but something just never seems to click on a consistent basis. If the guy wasn't getting paid as much as he is you might be able to excuse performances like yesterdays.

[ Edited by bzborow1 on Sep 28, 2015 at 10:26 AM ]

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:26 AM

#53

RishikeshA
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It's a sad day when losing by 2 or 3 touchdowns is looked upon as a step in the positive direction.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:33 AM

#54

Kolohe
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Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I just think Baalke can do better than Tramaine Brock, I also don't think he's starter material he was better when he was coming in on certain packages. I wanna see Keith Reaser get his shot or even Dontae Johnson, changes need to be made.

You can change the players all you want,they are not the big problem,the problem is with the DC.

So at what point in time do the players start deserving blame??

Btw Brock has been mediocre with Fangio too.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:33 AM

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We lack speed with our CBs to cover vertical threats adequately. We try to compensate and it leaves a lot of room on the short to medium areas.

[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Sep 28, 2015 at 10:34 AM ]

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:36 AM

#56

SLCNiner
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Originally posted by elguapo:
Here comes. Like a little kid......I told you so. I told you so. Well we told you so! That the Niners would destroy the Vikings and ap. I'm sure you didn't agree. Anyways it's kinda annoying after two games we were EXPECTED to lose on the road with 3 backup o lineman and so on, to have the I told you so people come in and say exactly that.

Truth is this team still has a very talented roster with more pro bowlers than most teams in the NFL. We just couldn't predict Aldon Anthony Davis being gone as well as Kilgore not being back. It has severely hampered this team.

More Pro Bowlers than MOST teams in the NFL? Surely you jest.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
We lack speed with our CBs to cover vertical threats adequately. We try to compensate and it leaves a lot of room on the short to medium areas.

The lack of speed on defense (secondary specifically) was very alarming the last two days. You've got guys just running free on verts and then when we did soften up they where just running away horizontally.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:37 AM

#58

thl408
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Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I just think Baalke can do better than Tramaine Brock, I also don't think he's starter material he was better when he was coming in on certain packages. I wanna see Keith Reaser get his shot or even Dontae Johnson, changes need to be made.

You can change the players all you want,they are not the big problem,the problem is with the DC.

I'm very disappointed in Mangini's showing thus far. He schooled a 2nd year QB, then has gotten schooled by two vets.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:38 AM

#59

JDMathews49ers
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Been waiting on this thread. Thanks Marvin. So many great points you made and I think many of us are feeling this way.

I can't patiently wait on the film thread now to get another look at what was going on.

Sep 28, 2015 at 10:39 AM

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JustinNiner
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They really do need to make some adjustments on the line quick. This line is not working. It is going to hurt our most prized offensive player Hyde. I would hate to see Hyde go through what Gore did, wasting his prime years behind a s**t Oline and being handed the ball by scared QB always depending on him to make something out of nothing.