2015 Preseason Game 1: Thoughts on the first preseason game... | Page 7

Marvin49 · 2015-08-17T13:15:28-07:00

1) Kap: Not much to say. Abbreviated performance. Nice little pass to Boldin, missed Torrey deep, threw third pass away with nobody open. On the QBs in general, it was nice to see Gabbert be competent....and we need another #3 QB. Thomspon was awful. 2) Torrey Smith: THIS JUST IN - He's Fast. Man it was really nice if even for one play to see a guy with Jets like that running through the other teams secondary. Still a work in progress to get their timing right...but that was REALLY nice to see. 3) Hyde: Only 2 carries, but I liked what I saw in Hyde. I was there for the SBL Holder event and he was the best player on the field. Spinning, hitting the hole quickly, cutting back on those new stretch run plays. If he stays healthy I think he could be in for a big year. 4) Hayne: OK peeps...lets slow down a bit. :) He looked good, but he had a HUGE hole to run through on that 53 yarder. He still runs WAY too upright. He did look good in the open field though and I liked the way he fielded the kicks and made defenders miss. I think he has a future as a kick returner, but he's still got a LONG way to go as a RB. 5) Mike Davis: Limited opportunities, but his similarities to Garrison Hearst don't end at his jersey number. GREAT body lean and quickness for a man his size. Looking forward to seeing more of him. 6) Jaquiski Tartt: Really liked what I saw. Still a young, raw player but he really flashed a few times. So did McCray for that matter. Safety is a position of strength and I think Dahls time may be done in SF. 7) Arik Armstead and rest of D-Line: Pretty much echo everything Tomsula said. Some real good (pancake of an O-Lineman), some good (recognized the screen but held the guy), and some bad (got pushed clear out of the play at times). I was reading some tweets of people talking to John Middlekoff and they were talking about how disappointed they were on how slow he looked and how he didn't get a big rush. Um...he's a 3-4 end. I think some people are looking for Derrick Thomas when they should be looking for Ray McDonald. He's a work in progress, but we always knew that. He'll never be a 15 sack guy but we already knew that. As for the rest of the line, Purcell really stood out but almost all of them played very well. Tank was a bit invisible, but Lawrence Okoye looks like an NFL player. That's a HUGE step up from the last few years. Tons of depth here. D-Line might be best unit on the team. 8) 400 yards: The D gave up 400 yards...but lets be real here for a sec. Manginis defense will be far different than Fangios. I'm not saying better...only saying different. They will NEVER play CLOSE to as vanilla as they did Saturday Night. No scheming, very few blitzes. THAT. WILL. CHANGE. Whether that's for the better or worse...we'll just have to see. 9) O-Line: Really hard to make any judgment, although the first string line held up better than expected. Then again, Watt and Wilfork didn't play. Still, Kap had all day on the deep pass to Torrey. The line seemed to move really well on those stretch runs. The line struggled late and Thomson didn't do them any favors, but I was pleasantly surprised by the "starting" line. 10) One game down: After watching one game, I'm intrigued by a few guys, but more than any season I can remember I still have really no idea what to expect this year. It does make the preseason more enjoyable than normal though. :)

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:45 AM

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Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
It's still early. How did you came to this conclusion... Hope it's not sarcasm that I've missed

The way the TE's were used was already miles above how HarRoman used players' abilities in the passing game.

Deep shots. Passes to the RB's as outlets and primary receivers, McDonald, Bell and Celek in the calls, short-quick passes vs. 5-7 step drops and nothing but sideline go-routes, etc. Granted there was no 'game planning' but you can see already we'll be balanced in run/pass and in the passing game, utilizing all the skill players and attack vertical as well as horizontal. As a fan, you have to be stoked about that little sample...ohhh, and tempo and clock management!

[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 18, 2015 at 8:46 AM ]

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:46 AM

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Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by SoCold:
There were 13 total completions in the game. I like how the backup QB's completed 7 of those to the 3rd, 4th and 5th string TE's. Should prob put our coaches right into the HOF for calling those plays.

lol

What's your point? Starters only played one series. You can still see schemes and concepts used even with backup personnel. Also, Who said anything about putting any one in the HOF?

Jcool making it sound like this coaching staff is far better and schemed to use the TE in the first pre season game. I'm just making fun of the fact I think that's a bit silly.

The backup QB's usually throw a lot to the backup tight ends because that's who they have practiced with the most and it's harder for the backup WR who haven't played a lot to get open.

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:47 AM

#93

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
It's still early. How did you came to this conclusion... Hope it's not sarcasm that I've missed

The way the TE's were used was already miles above how HarRoman used players' abilities in the passing game.

Deep shots. Passes to the RB's as outlets and primary receivers, McDonald, Bell and Celek in the calls, short-quick passes vs. 5-7 step drops and nothing but sideline go-routes, etc. Granted there was no 'game planning' but you can see already we'll be balanced in run/pass and in the passing game, utilizing all the skill players and attack vertical as well as horizontal. As a fan, you have to be stoked about that little sample...of, and tempo and clock management!

just because a TE gets a pass thrown his way doesn't mean he was the primary target for the play called

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:48 AM

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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I thought Harbaugh, with the Bo Schembechler offense was supposed to feature the TE as a stable of the passing game....

You mean blocking...i.e. blew out McDonald's back; required surgery at 25 years old.

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:50 AM

#95

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Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by SoCold:
There were 13 total completions in the game. I like how the backup QB's completed 7 of those to the 3rd, 4th and 5th string TE's. Should prob put our coaches right into the HOF for calling those plays.

lol

What's your point? Starters only played one series. You can still see schemes and concepts used even with backup personnel. Also, Who said anything about putting any one in the HOF?

Jcool making it sound like this coaching staff is far better and schemed to use the TE in the first pre season game. I'm just making fun of the fact I think that's a bit silly.

The backup QB's usually throw a lot to the backup tight ends because that's who they have practiced with the most and it's harder for the backup WR who haven't played a lot to get open.

Backup QB's in preseason under JH still didn't throw to the TE's.

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:50 AM

#96

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Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I thought Harbaugh, with the Bo Schembechler offense was supposed to feature the TE as a stable of the passing game....

No you see when VD is knocking sure TD catches away from Vance it's Harbaugh's fault.

once again another thread turns into this

Were you especially happy with the Harbaugh offense? Was Harbaugh all you expected as an offensive guru?

I think people place far too much blame on just Harbaugh. It was a snow ball effect that didn't help the offense last year.
For three years the offense avg around 24 ppg. Right up until the blowout to Denver. After that they avg. about 17 ppg.

In the 8 losses the team turned the ball over 15 times. In the 8 wins only 7 turnovers. That's not a coaches fault. The musical OL didn't help. The injuries didn't help. Players not playing smart. Sure the coaches are somewhat to blame. Using the excuse that the HC is why we didn't have a good season last year is just silly.

Just tired of all the excuses. Just go out and play football.

it wasn't just last year , harbaugh's peewee football was here for 4 years

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:50 AM

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I thought Harbaugh, with the Bo Schembechler offense was supposed to feature the TE as a stable of the passing game....

You mean blocking...i.e. blew out McDonald's back; required surgery at 25 years old.

oh now we're blaming injuries on the coaches

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:50 AM

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Originally posted by SoCold:
just because a TE gets a pass thrown his way doesn't mean he was the primary target for the play called

If it's under 2-2.5 seconds that's usually an indication of a primary receiver. If not, it could be an indication of COACHING. Notice how the QB's were going through a progression or two and then if not there, quickly coming back down to the RB's in the passing game (i.e. Hayne)?

[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 18, 2015 at 8:54 AM ]

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:52 AM

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Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I thought Harbaugh, with the Bo Schembechler offense was supposed to feature the TE as a stable of the passing game....

You mean blocking...i.e. blew out McDonald's back; required surgery at 25 years old.

oh now we're blaming injuries on the coaches

Yup...when you take a 260 pound young kid who played slot WR his entire career and ask him to block 99% of the time against 300+ pound DE/DT's, it's just a matter of time! There is a reason HaRoman didn't ask VD to block a whole lot once Vance came on board...saving him for the passing game.

[ Edited by NCommand on Aug 18, 2015 at 8:53 AM ]

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:53 AM

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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I thought Harbaugh, with the Bo Schembechler offense was supposed to feature the TE as a stable of the passing game....

No you see when VD is knocking sure TD catches away from Vance it's Harbaugh's fault.

once again another thread turns into this

Were you especially happy with the Harbaugh offense? Was Harbaugh all you expected as an offensive guru?

I think people place far too much blame on just Harbaugh. It was a snow ball effect that didn't help the offense last year.
For three years the offense avg around 24 ppg. Right up until the blowout to Denver. After that they avg. about 17 ppg.

In the 8 losses the team turned the ball over 15 times. In the 8 wins only 7 turnovers. That's not a coaches fault. The musical OL didn't help. The injuries didn't help. Players not playing smart. Sure the coaches are somewhat to blame. Using the excuse that the HC is why we didn't have a good season last year is just silly.

Just tired of all the excuses. Just go out and play football.
it wasn't just last year , harbaugh's peewee football was here for 4 years

the offense avg 24 ppg from 2011-2013 and the first 6 games of 2014?

the teams to win the SB the past five years have avg 24ppg+ with good defenses allowing only around 14ppg

No one is willing to say that we had a bunch of injuries and bad luck and crappy play and coaching mistakes. Everyone just wants to place the blame on the coaches.

They lost as a team and won as a team.

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:54 AM

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Originally posted by Joecool:
Backup QB's in preseason under JH still didn't throw to the TE's.

LOL. This..."go deep...keep going...keep...sack!"

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:55 AM

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I thought Harbaugh, with the Bo Schembechler offense was supposed to feature the TE as a stable of the passing game....

You mean blocking...i.e. blew out McDonald's back; required surgery at 25 years old.

oh now we're blaming injuries on the coaches

Yup...when you take a 260 pound young kid who played slot WR his entire career and ask him to block 99% of the time against 300+ pound DE/DT's, it's just a matter of time! There is a reason HaRoman didn't ask VD to block a whole lot once Vance came on board...saving him for the passing game.

VD blocked plenty lol.Ddid Frank Gore ever get injured blocking a DL that freed up through the line. Now your just being silly.

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
It's still early. How did you came to this conclusion... Hope it's not sarcasm that I've missed

The way the TE's were used was already miles above how HarRoman used players' abilities in the passing game.

Deep shots. Passes to the RB's as outlets and primary receivers, McDonald, Bell and Celek in the calls, short-quick passes vs. 5-7 step drops and nothing but sideline go-routes, etc. Granted there was no 'game planning' but you can see already we'll be balanced in run/pass and in the passing game, utilizing all the skill players and attack vertical as well as horizontal. As a fan, you have to be stoked about that little sample...ohhh, and tempo and clock management!

the clock management and tempo really changes everything for me.

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM

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Originally posted by SoCold:
VD blocked plenty lol.Ddid Frank Gore ever get injured blocking a DL that freed up through the line. Now your just being silly.

LMAO!

Aug 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM

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SO

IF we suck this year it's all Jim Tomsula's fault?