2015 Preseason Game 1: Thoughts on the first preseason game... | Page 10

Marvin49 · 2015-08-17T13:15:28-07:00

1) Kap: Not much to say. Abbreviated performance. Nice little pass to Boldin, missed Torrey deep, threw third pass away with nobody open. On the QBs in general, it was nice to see Gabbert be competent....and we need another #3 QB. Thomspon was awful. 2) Torrey Smith: THIS JUST IN - He's Fast. Man it was really nice if even for one play to see a guy with Jets like that running through the other teams secondary. Still a work in progress to get their timing right...but that was REALLY nice to see. 3) Hyde: Only 2 carries, but I liked what I saw in Hyde. I was there for the SBL Holder event and he was the best player on the field. Spinning, hitting the hole quickly, cutting back on those new stretch run plays. If he stays healthy I think he could be in for a big year. 4) Hayne: OK peeps...lets slow down a bit. :) He looked good, but he had a HUGE hole to run through on that 53 yarder. He still runs WAY too upright. He did look good in the open field though and I liked the way he fielded the kicks and made defenders miss. I think he has a future as a kick returner, but he's still got a LONG way to go as a RB. 5) Mike Davis: Limited opportunities, but his similarities to Garrison Hearst don't end at his jersey number. GREAT body lean and quickness for a man his size. Looking forward to seeing more of him. 6) Jaquiski Tartt: Really liked what I saw. Still a young, raw player but he really flashed a few times. So did McCray for that matter. Safety is a position of strength and I think Dahls time may be done in SF. 7) Arik Armstead and rest of D-Line: Pretty much echo everything Tomsula said. Some real good (pancake of an O-Lineman), some good (recognized the screen but held the guy), and some bad (got pushed clear out of the play at times). I was reading some tweets of people talking to John Middlekoff and they were talking about how disappointed they were on how slow he looked and how he didn't get a big rush. Um...he's a 3-4 end. I think some people are looking for Derrick Thomas when they should be looking for Ray McDonald. He's a work in progress, but we always knew that. He'll never be a 15 sack guy but we already knew that. As for the rest of the line, Purcell really stood out but almost all of them played very well. Tank was a bit invisible, but Lawrence Okoye looks like an NFL player. That's a HUGE step up from the last few years. Tons of depth here. D-Line might be best unit on the team. 8) 400 yards: The D gave up 400 yards...but lets be real here for a sec. Manginis defense will be far different than Fangios. I'm not saying better...only saying different. They will NEVER play CLOSE to as vanilla as they did Saturday Night. No scheming, very few blitzes. THAT. WILL. CHANGE. Whether that's for the better or worse...we'll just have to see. 9) O-Line: Really hard to make any judgment, although the first string line held up better than expected. Then again, Watt and Wilfork didn't play. Still, Kap had all day on the deep pass to Torrey. The line seemed to move really well on those stretch runs. The line struggled late and Thomson didn't do them any favors, but I was pleasantly surprised by the "starting" line. 10) One game down: After watching one game, I'm intrigued by a few guys, but more than any season I can remember I still have really no idea what to expect this year. It does make the preseason more enjoyable than normal though. :)

Aug 18, 2015 at 4:15 PM

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Niners816
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by JohnMatrix:
If I recall correctly he graded poorly in pass productivity last year, but I could be wrong. If that's the case then its just cherry picked highlights that are being shown. Noone is arguing Aldon isn't supremely talented, the question is how productive was he last year, where we had a top defense, and how much will we regress this year with his absence (which we dealt with for over half the season last year).

If I'm wrong about his grading, I stand corrected. Then I would be interested to see how our defense ranked in our games without him last year. If the fall off is big then I will be appropriately dismayed.

Those were plays I had handy so I understand if you think it's cherry picked. I don't have PFF so I don't know his pass rushing productivity grade.

35 total sacks last year for us...19 in the 7 games with aldon back. We were definitely better with aldon on the field in terms of sacks. He may have got 2 sacks but the team had 17 in the 7 games he played vs 16 in the 9 games without him.

[ Edited by Niners816 on Aug 18, 2015 at 4:18 PM ]

Aug 18, 2015 at 4:22 PM

#137

thl408
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Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JohnMatrix:
If I recall correctly he graded poorly in pass productivity last year, but I could be wrong. If that's the case then its just cherry picked highlights that are being shown. Noone is arguing Aldon isn't supremely talented, the question is how productive was he last year, where we had a top defense, and how much will we regress this year with his absence (which we dealt with for over half the season last year).

If I'm wrong about his grading, I stand corrected. Then I would be interested to see how our defense ranked in our games without him last year. If the fall off is big then I will be appropriately dismayed.

Those were plays I had handy so I understand if you think it's cherry picked. I don't have PFF so I don't know his pass rushing productivity grade.

35 total sacks last year for us...19 in the 7 games with aldon back. We were definitely better with aldon on the field in terms of sacks. He may have got 2 sacks but the team had 17 in the 7 games he played vs 16 in the 9 games without him.

Thanks for that. Team wide pass rush productivity can be an interesting stat to consider, if it exists.

Aug 18, 2015 at 4:24 PM

#138

crake49
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Some say there's a chance we would have lost the 1988 World Championship if Stanley Wilson would have played in that game.

It was a close game, but I'm not sure the #3 running back would have made a big difference. Icky Woods was the guy and he started strong until Ronnie Lott knocked him out of the park.

But Stanley Wilson is a great example. How many people even knew he had a problem before he famously missed that game?

Aug 18, 2015 at 4:27 PM

#139

Niners816
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Originally posted by thl408:
Thanks for that. Team wide pass rush productivity can be an interesting stat to consider, if it exists.

All I know is 44 sacks in 50 games, is a tough bullet to bite off. There is a reason supreme pass rushers command the salaries they do. We had ours and it sucks that he is gone. I'm hoping Lynch and Harold fill the void. Because generally I hate having to blitz all the time to get pressure....totally stresses your secondary and can lead to very frustrating 3rd down conversions.

Aug 14, 2016 at 7:36 PM

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Dr_Bill_Walsh
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Cut Acker

Aug 14, 2016 at 7:40 PM

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tohara3
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Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Cut Acker

Think he may have cut himself tonight