Who was the 9ers' biggest loss this offseason?

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
AD would be the player because his game really wasn't slipping like most of the guys on the list.

Gore, Patrick, Justin's best days are behind them.

Iupati's performance was slipping.

Craptree was never better than just above average.

Although both Cox and Culliver are good players - I think we'll see almost the same story as our other Dbacks who left after last season.

Borland could have been VERY special but the team wasn't impacted in a terrible way.

S Johnson - I thought he could have been a real difference maker. I was wrong!

I thought Skuta was the most under-estimated guy on the D. He flat out played and showed up time & time again.

i think this sums things up nicely. our running game will be even better i feel with a four headed monster . and if we get anything from davis that will be gravy. Also the coaches who sound like they may do what is best for the team will help by incorporating some screen passes which would be a major culture shock for us fans. worried about gores pass protection? no worries, hunter is very good at that, they say reggie is decent in that area and the kid has great promise in that area plus you still have miller. leadership? reggie and docket have taken it upon themselves to be leaders and team spokespeople to the media. I think coaches and players get over the losses of once beloved x niners better than some fans. in mini camp there were stories on how rathman was using reggie has an example of how to play the game so they are moving on from the past , as we all should

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Jim Harbaugh

I agree!

How is he not at least ON the list?

if it were the 2011 or 2012 or even the 2013 version then you put him on the list. last year we saw how his inability or unwillingness to change and adapt and his brand of football and rah rah college shtick had hit the wall . but since i am nice, it is fine for some of you to put him on the list. its just many of us would not. hell he never let x niners in the facility because he felt threatened by their legacy so why should i put him on some list of x people

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Jim Harbaugh

I agree!

How is he not at least ON the list?

if it were the 2011 or 2012 or even the 2013 version then you put him on the list. last year we saw how his inability or unwillingness to change and adapt and his brand of football and rah rah college shtick had hit the wall . but since i am nice, it is fine for some of you to put him on the list. its just many of us would not. hell he never let x niners in the facility because he felt threatened by their legacy so why should i put him on some list of x people

I understand he's a polarizing figure but the question is "Who was the biggest loss" so he should be there. I think we'd all agree he's a bigger loss to the team than, say, SKUTA?

Originally posted by LenCat:

I understand he's a polarizing figure but the question is "Who was the biggest loss" so he should be there. I think we'd all agree he's a bigger loss to the team than, say, SKUTA?

I get the feeling people heard so much doom and gloom about Harbaugh leaving they resent him now. I love Harbaugh and don't share that feeling, it's just the vibe I get.

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Jim Harbaugh

I agree!

How is he not at least ON the list?

if it were the 2011 or 2012 or even the 2013 version then you put him on the list. last year we saw how his inability or unwillingness to change and adapt and his brand of football and rah rah college shtick had hit the wall . but since i am nice, it is fine for some of you to put him on the list. its just many of us would not. hell he never let x niners in the facility because he felt threatened by their legacy so why should i put him on some list of x people

I understand he's a polarizing figure but the question is "Who was the biggest loss" so he should be there. I think we'd all agree he's a bigger loss to the team than, say, SKUTA?

most high profile loss was the head coach. he was not a good coach last year at all. since anthony was young, at the top of his game, was never hurt before last year and was a major positive piece of our line, he was the biggest loss. saying that, i do not care about the losses , onward and upward

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Jim Harbaugh

I agree!

How is he not at least ON the list?

if it were the 2011 or 2012 or even the 2013 version then you put him on the list. last year we saw how his inability or unwillingness to change and adapt and his brand of football and rah rah college shtick had hit the wall . but since i am nice, it is fine for some of you to put him on the list. its just many of us would not. hell he never let x niners in the facility because he felt threatened by their legacy so why should i put him on some list of x people

I understand he's a polarizing figure but the question is "Who was the biggest loss" so he should be there. I think we'd all agree he's a bigger loss to the team than, say, SKUTA?

Fangio is X100 bigger loss compared to Harbaugh. Not even close.

But overall, to define "loss" one also needs to look at what's currently in place and decide for yourself whether there is, in fact, a loss (some may actually end up being a GAIN)...and right now, it's probably way too early to judge. It's a fun thing to speculate though.

Originally posted by Homer:

Originally posted by LenCat:
I understand he's a polarizing figure but the question is "Who was the biggest loss" so he should be there. I think we'd all agree he's a bigger loss to the team than, say, SKUTA?

I get the feeling people heard so much doom and gloom about Harbaugh leaving they resent him now. I love Harbaugh and don't share that feeling, it's just the vibe I get.

i got a different vibe from him last year, in regards to coaching, his antics on the sidelines, and now finding out, he would not allow x hall of fame niners around and tried to distance himself from our legacy. you do not do that if you are the coach of this team

Originally posted by NCommand:
Fangio is X100 bigger loss compared to Harbaugh. Not even close.

But overall, to define "loss" one also needs to look at what's currently in place and for yourself whether there is, in fact, a loss...and right now, that's way too early. It's a fun thing to speculate.

i would agree with this, he did a good job with moving parts around due to injuries, i still think he was over rated and stumbled into a good job with good players,.the loss of the head coach was a high profile loss. that is about as far as i will go

Originally posted by cciowa:

i got a different vibe from him last year, in regards to coaching, his antics on the sidelines, and now finding out, he would not allow x hall of fame niners around and tried to distance himself from our legacy. you do not do that if you are the coach of this team

His sideline antics changed last year? Or you just grew tired of them last year?

I'm not bothered about him not wanting old players around. Not a big deal worth firing a coach over.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
AD would be the player because his game really wasn't slipping like most of the guys on the list.

Gore, Patrick, Justin's best days are behind them.

Iupati's performance was slipping.

Craptree was never better than just above average.

Although both Cox and Culliver are good players - I think we'll see almost the same story as our other Dbacks who left after last season.

Borland could have been VERY special but the team wasn't impacted in a terrible way.

S Johnson - I thought he could have been a real difference maker. I was wrong!

I thought Skuta was the most under-estimated guy on the D. He flat out played and showed up time & time again.

I disagree with AD, he missed so many games that he didn't have much of an impact as a full time starter would. I think the biggest loss was either Patrick or Chris Borland. NO ONE saw those two coming. And don't underestimate Justin Smith's impact.

I think that's flawed logic - that ADavis missed so many games so he didn't have much of an impact. That's like saying losing Bowman for the entire 2015 season isn't a loss because he didn't play in 2014 either. Many times, a player's impact is felt when he isn't playing. No one saw ADavis retirement coming either so that argument doesn't work.

I'm not saying you are wrong for choosing Willis/Borland because I can easily see why someone would choose those guys. I'm saying your argument for choosing Willis/Borland is wrong. I could use that same argument against Willis. He didn't play half the 2014 season either. But I won't because it doesn't make sense to.

Losing ADavis was the biggest loss to me because he was supposed to be the RT for the next 6 years. It was supposed to be a position that the 49ers didn't have to worry about for the foreseeable future. For a position group that was under fire all of last season, it needed stability, and there are few better ways to have stability than to have the two starting tackles back. I know ADavis has his flaws, he isn't the perfect RT, but he did a lot of things well and his development was still on the uptick being he was only 25. Yes he struggled with speed rushers, but many RTs struggle with Von Miller/CClemons/CAvril. Those guys are considered good for a reason.

Wilhoite is solid enough to hold down ILB as the team should look to find the next playmaking ILB. The team has drafted for the departure of Justin/Gore/Cox/Cully/Iupati. ADavis' retirement came out of nowhere and I don't consider Erik Pears as a suitable replacement though I hope to be wrong on that.

When I made my vote for ADavis I was thinking long term for the team. This eliminated Justin because he probably had one more year left even if he decided to come back. If I was thinking short term, just 2015, my vote would have been for Justin.

Originally posted by Homer:

Originally posted by cciowa:
i got a different vibe from him last year, in regards to coaching, his antics on the sidelines, and now finding out, he would not allow x hall of fame niners around and tried to distance himself from our legacy. you do not do that if you are the coach of this team

His sideline antics changed last year? Or you just grew tired of them last year?

I'm not bothered about him not wanting old players around. Not a big deal worth firing a coach over.

JH's Offense was offensive ...and that is the main reason he's gone

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Jim Harbaugh

I agree!

How is he not at least ON the list?

if it were the 2011 or 2012 or even the 2013 version then you put him on the list. last year we saw how his inability or unwillingness to change and adapt and his brand of football and rah rah college shtick had hit the wall . but since i am nice, it is fine for some of you to put him on the list. its just many of us would not. hell he never let x niners in the facility because he felt threatened by their legacy so why should i put him on some list of x people

I understand he's a polarizing figure but the question is "Who was the biggest loss" so he should be there. I think we'd all agree he's a bigger loss to the team than, say, SKUTA?

Fangio is X100 bigger loss compared to Harbaugh. Not even close.

But overall, to define "loss" one also needs to look at what's currently in place and decide for yourself whether there is, in fact, a loss (some may actually end up being a GAIN)...and right now, it's probably way too early to judge. It's a fun thing to speculate though.

nah, there you go thinking too much again

Willis was the team captain and leader he's gone HUGE loss

Patrick Willis. He was the heart and soul of the defense.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by LenCat:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Jim Harbaugh

I agree!

How is he not at least ON the list?

if it were the 2011 or 2012 or even the 2013 version then you put him on the list. last year we saw how his inability or unwillingness to change and adapt and his brand of football and rah rah college shtick had hit the wall . but since i am nice, it is fine for some of you to put him on the list. its just many of us would not. hell he never let x niners in the facility because he felt threatened by their legacy so why should i put him on some list of x people

I understand he's a polarizing figure but the question is "Who was the biggest loss" so he should be there. I think we'd all agree he's a bigger loss to the team than, say, SKUTA?

Fangio is X100 bigger loss compared to Harbaugh. Not even close.

But overall, to define "loss" one also needs to look at what's currently in place and decide for yourself whether there is, in fact, a loss (some may actually end up being a GAIN)...and right now, it's probably way too early to judge. It's a fun thing to speculate though.

nah, there you go thinking too much again

Willis was the team captain and leader he's gone HUGE loss

Played 20 out the last 32 Reg Season games..he is a loss

but being on the sidelines wont help us

Originally posted by Homer:

Originally posted by cciowa:
i got a different vibe from him last year, in regards to coaching, his antics on the sidelines, and now finding out, he would not allow x hall of fame niners around and tried to distance himself from our legacy. you do not do that if you are the coach of this team

His sideline antics changed last year? Or you just grew tired of them last year?

I'm not bothered about him not wanting old players around. Not a big deal worth firing a coach over.

i grew weary of his antics is what i was saying. i grew weary of making the players yell, whose got it better after bad losses last year. i never said he is gone because he did not want x niners around..... what i am saying, when you are the coach of a historic franchise you embrace it, you do not run from it because you are afraid it will take the spotlight from you. i think in some f**ked up egomaniac way,, he felt threatened by our storied past.