Do you guys see the trend?

The theme of this draft was character, size, and defense. Which all make a ton of sense. I'm excited about it. I know the 49ers want to always be a defensive team first.

Originally posted by daragon:
The theme of this draft was character, size, and defense. Which all make a ton of sense. I'm excited about it. I know the 49ers want to always be a defensive team first.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by daragon:
The theme of this draft was character, size, and defense. Which all make a ton of sense. I'm excited about it. I know the 49ers want to always be a defensive team first.

while the usual, "trent is a tool" " with the first pick in the 2016 draft the niners select" " wah wah they did not pick the player i want" blather i am used to seeing, it was refreshing not to have to see WIN WITH CLASS garbage from romper room. of course that was always intended for a coach who was a jackass on the sidelines but thats a whole other story for a whole other thread for a whole other mr irrelevant

Originally posted by daragon:
The theme of this draft was character, size, and defense. Which all make a ton of sense. I'm excited about it. I know the 49ers want to always be a defensive team first.

I was watching the draft, and the NY Giants only draft good character players and last year and this year 100% of their draft selections was a team captain in college. I have zero issues with drafting for character. After all the Niners led the league last year in a category that sucked, most arrests.

I like others almost broke my tv when we passed up some of my draft crushes over the weekend. However after sleeping on it and reading the evaluations I am at peace with the direction of the team.

PREDICTION- draft analysts will look back in 3 years and use the 2015 49ers fourth round as one of the best in recent memory. I prey this is true because that means the TE, RB and WR pan out.

Originally posted by jreff22:
We don't have the extra roster spot. After this, Lee might demand a trade and we could be stuck with crap. If we needed a punter I would be fine with this but it's been a position of strength for like 10 years. The field position game has always been set by Lee.

"Lee MIGHT demand a trade."

"We COULD BE stuck with crap."

Now, I am sacred. Cut this new punter right away!!!!!!!!

Seriously, these bogeyman speculations seem rather childish.

If Lee demands a trade, we should try to get as much as possible for him.

The mere possibility of a player asking for a trade if the team drafts completion for that player should not influence the drat one iota.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
The hyperbole in this thread is amazing! Ask yourself two questions :

1. Who could we should we have drafted that would start THIS season?

2. Looking down the road, who will we be / could be losing and will need to replace?

Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest

Originally posted by REB4:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Yeah I know right. Going out and getting him a legit deep threat WR, a good, versatile, game breaking RB he can dump the ball off to, drafting 2 highly touted OL and best RB in draft last year, going and grabbing another TE, RB and WR today...Setting him up to fail indeed.

A "legit deep threat WR"? You mean the 53rd ranked WR in the league last year? That got beat out by a 35 year old grandpa as the go to guy deep? If he can't shine with a gunslinger like Flacco, he AIN'T a legit ANYTHING!! Why didn't Baalke get these guys before? Why didn't he draft/acquire these type guys in the past when it mattered, as in when we had a legitimate chance to get a Lombardi Trophy #6?!?!?! Why did he bypass WRs last year in the DEEPEST WR CLASS of our generation? Legit WRs need to be drafted HIGH & not as an after thought. Here's a stat I posted last night about the top 10 leading WRs in the NFL in 2015:

5 were #1 picks, 2 were #2, 2 #3s, and 1 #6. Draft position MAKES A DIFFERENCE!!

ok

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
The hyperbole in this thread is amazing! Ask yourself two questions :

1. Who could we should we have drafted that would start THIS season?

2. Looking down the road, who will we be / could be losing and will need to replace?

Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest

That's the only example you could come up with? That's real telling.

Only trend I see is the downward spiral of this franchise.

Originally posted by Butter:
Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest

I wanted Kevin Johnson as well but long-term, DE is a bigger need. It takes time to develop DL's, both Baalke and Tomsula have made that a point of emphasis. Justin Smith is either retired or retiring in a season, Dockett is 34, coming off an ACL tear, TJE will be a free agent, Dorsey will be a free agent, also coming off a season ending injury. I'm far more comfortable with the team going with Brock, Johnson, Acker, Reaser, Wright, Ward and Cook at CB this season than I would be with Dial and Carradine as potentially the only options at DE next season.

This year Armstead gets to develop, get some snaps, next year I'd expect him to be a starter. Long term, Carradine and Armstead as the DE's, Dial as a high quality backup with hopefully Dorsey or Williams sticking around at NT and a young player drafted to develop at that position.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Butter:
Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest

I wanted Kevin Johnson as well but long-term, DE is a bigger need. It takes time to develop DL's, both Baalke and Tomsula have made that a point of emphasis. Justin Smith is either retired or retiring in a season, Dockett is 34, coming off an ACL tear, TJE will be a free agent, Dorsey will be a free agent, also coming off a season ending injury. I'm far more comfortable with the team going with Brock, Johnson, Acker, Reaser, Wright, Ward and Cook at CB this season than I would be with Dial and Carradine as potentially the only options at DE next season.

This year Armstead gets to develop, get some snaps, next year I'd expect him to be a starter. Long term, Carradine and Armstead as the DE's, Dial as a high quality backup with hopefully Dorsey or Williams sticking around at NT and a young player drafted to develop at that position.

Agreed. And something to always keep in mind is that a great front seven and a great pass rush can mask a lot of problems in the secondary. Even though the league has an emphasis on passing and scoring, I still believe that the best way to build a team is from the trenches out on both sides of the ball.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I'm going to blatantly repost something I wrote in another thread which describes my feelings on the way the team is going based on this draft.



I saw some people advocating for 3 WR's with like like the first 4 or 5 picks...and then they get upset when reality doesn't mesh with fantasy. This is not going to be a "high octane" offense, its still going to be ball control, run the football, run the football, take your shots off of playaction, play rugged, physical defense, hit the other guys harder than they hit you, line up and punch the other team in the mouth, that's just how it is going to go.

If you look at the picks, Baalke added a lot of BIG, PHYSICAL players, lots of guys with mean temperaments, that is how this team will continue to be structured.



Just by looking at the coaching staff you can see that this isn't going to be a finesse team with guys like Tomsula, Sparano and his Parcells background, Tim Lewis, a long time coach with the Steelers, Mangini with the Patriots back when they played head-thumping defense, a lot of guys with smash and crash credentials. If anything with Harbaugh gone, Baalke might be giving in even more to his Parcells roots. A big, scary, physical defense that plays with bad intentions, that is what I'm expecting to see from the 49ers in the near future.

That post just made my morning....I hope it never changes. I couldn't give a rats behind about finesse football.

Originally posted by grizzlyadams:

Originally posted by kray28:
The trend is that Trent Baalke is probably the worst GM in the NFL (when it comes to talent evaluation).

Yea because Bowman, Aldon, Iupati, Anthony Davis, Reid, Borland, Lynch, Kap, Hyde, etc. are all bad. Sure he's missed some, but he's hit on a lot, too.

Not to bash Baalke, but 2010 wasn't all his draft, remember McCloughan was their up until 1 month before the draft. Plus Iupati was never a great LG for us, he was overhyped. Davis is honestly mediocre RT. Bowman was a brilliant pick. Reid is a concussion waiting to happen every time he hits the field. Borland retired, so that was a miss, Lynch was a great 5th rd pick so far, too early to tell if he nailed it. Kap like I've said needs to improve, if he doesn't that $120M deal will be gone, and he will be cut in 2 years, Hyde I love, but we have to also wait to see if he proves that he is an every down back.

Baalke has missed a lot, Ward looked bad, but too early also, the entire 2012 draft sucked, yes Looney is here, but hardly a factor IMO. Late rounders like Curtis Holcomb, Ronald Johnson, Mike Person, Carter Bykowski, Marcus Cooper aren;'t here anymore. And if you do want to give Baake credit for 2010, then thats when he drafted Kyle Williams, who was a terrible WR and Returner.

He is much better at FA then he is at the Draft IMO.

I do like this draft though, I gave it a B, I think they got value, but these guys need to contribute fast for this to look like a slid draft. Unfiortunately he ignored WR, when he could have had Jaelen Strong in rd 2, he ignored ILB when he could have had Paul Dawson in rd 3, and he ignored CB when he could have had Kevin Johnson, Marcus Peters, or Byron Jones in rd 1. I get sticking to your board, but when you have needs, and pressing needs, you need to fill them. Guys like Chris Cook, Shareece Wright, and youngsters like Reaser, Acker, and Johnson don't look appealing to fans. Cook and Wright were horrible CBs before they came here.

I still don't get why a SS in rd 2? How was he the 46th best player available? Makes no sense, that's the one pick that I question the most, I have a bit of an issue with Bradley Pinion in rd 5, but if he beats out Lee, that's great, saves cap room, which we will need by the way in season.

So as far as I see it, Baalke isn't the worst GM, and he certainly isn't the best GM in the NFL. He gets too fancy, tries too hard, and deals picks away when we could have gotten solid players to help right away.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Not to bash Baalke, but 2010 wasn't all his draft, remember McCloughan was their up until 1 month before the draft.

And if you do want to give Baake credit for 2010, then thats when he drafted Kyle Williams, who was a terrible WR and Returner.

The draft is never all the property of one person, but Baalke was in charge of the 2010 draft. The person in charge bears the responsibility.

Baalke is responsible for each and every player, good or bad, taken in the 2010 draft, and his subsequent drafts.

The players taken in the 2010 draft were:

Anthony Davis
Mike Iupati
Taylor Mays
Navorro Bowman
Anthony Dixon
Nate Byham
Kyle Williams
Phillip Adams

Each and every one of those players was a Baalke pick.

No cherry picking allowed.

In the 2015 draft, Baalke did not select even one of the players that I wanted us to take.

But, when we evaluate the draft, we have to evaluate the players that he took based on how they play in the NFL.

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