Where do you expect our defense to be Ranked this season? | Page 2

NinerDreamer11 · 2015-04-24T06:23:40-07:00

I'm having a really hard time predicting our defense this season. With all the changes, plus no more Vic Fangio, I can't seem to place it. We got Bowman hopefully returning as his powerful self, still waiting on that big ? on Justin Smith. I'm not worried to much about our Dline with the guys we're getting back, plus what we added makes feel like we'll be ok. Corners, they're young, but can they produce. Safety's i'm confident in, as long as Reid can avoid concussions. But our strongest point was our Linebackers, and for once in the last 8 years, it's no longer our strong spot. I have a lot of confidence in Wilhoite, i just think he may lack speed than what we are used to. Aldon, please keep out of trouble this year, and i expect a bigger year with Aaron Lynch. With Mangini having experience at being DC, i can't imagine him making this defense more worse. I do BELIEVE that Arik Armstead is the guy we need to get at 15 if he is available, to me it makes a lot of sense. As of right now, i'm predicting our defense to be in the Top 15 Your Predictions?

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
With Fangio, we would've been around the top 5 again. If Mangini coaches the defense like he's done in years past, we'll be lucky to be a top 15 defense.

Such a lame argument. Have you checked out Fangio's track record before coming here and working with OUR personnel?

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM

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Probably around 15

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
With Fangio, we would've been around the top 5 again. If Mangini coaches the defense like he's done in years past, we'll be lucky to be a top 15 defense.

Such a lame argument. Have you checked out Fangio's track record before coming here and working with OUR personnel?

thank you

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by crake49:
I'm predicting top 10. I think this personnel has the ability to be top 5 and it's possible because there really aren't any offensive powerhouses in this division.

Agreed

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
With Fangio, we would've been around the top 5 again. If Mangini coaches the defense like he's done in years past, we'll be lucky to be a top 15 defense.

Such a lame argument. Have you checked out Fangio's track record before coming here and working with OUR personnel?

why check facts when it is much easier to spit out bile?

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
With Fangio, we would've been around the top 5 again. If Mangini coaches the defense like he's done in years past, we'll be lucky to be a top 15 defense.

Such a lame argument. Have you checked out Fangio's track record before coming here and working with OUR personnel?

why check facts when it is much easier to spit out bile?

Have you checked Manginis track record?

All I know is that we were a top 5 defense every year under Fangio, that track record should say enough.

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
With Fangio, we would've been around the top 5 again. If Mangini coaches the defense like he's done in years past, we'll be lucky to be a top 15 defense.

Such a lame argument. Have you checked out Fangio's track record before coming here and working with OUR personnel?

why check facts when it is much easier to spit out bile?

Have you checked Manginis track record?

All I know is that we were a top 5 defense every year under Fangio, that track record should say enough.

have you checked fangios record without our talent he was lucky enough to stumble into? and what about those games where he played a huge role in making wins harder than they needed to be? who is to say our new DC can not do good things with the people we have in place. fangio is way over valued by people here and it will be proven when he actually has to work with lesser talent in his new job

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:38 AM

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you tell 'em cc. No talent and vic was nobody special. He walks into anything else but an all pro D at virtually all positions except CB & SS, and what did he do? Answer : not much. Vic , like harbaw , was great because of the all pro talent he coached. He will never see talent like that assembled in his lifetime. Granted he made the most of it and unlike harbaw he produced with that gigantic D machine. Harbaw, to our great disappointment did not hold up his end of the bargain with the O, nor with his QB. QB whisperer? My azzzz.

So vic bolted when he figured he should have been heir apparent. Well, he wasn't the chosen guy and he isn't the heir apparent. Wonder how vic would have done with what we have left on D? It would have been interesting. But only a few guys have really made it bigtime coming from the D side of the ball at HC. Bellichek sure comes to mind and i can think of maybe 6 or 7 others. Walsh came from, all sidess of the ball, and we all were privileged to see him coach. But other DCs who became HCs all worked under the same tenet: "Well, if i know how a D works, i sure as hell ought to know how an O works." Wrong, wrong and wrong again. DCs just have a hard time coming to grips wth that, save a handful.

[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Apr 24, 2015 at 10:48 AM ]

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Such a lame argument. Have you checked out Fangio's track record before coming here and working with OUR personnel?

I agree. Without our players, I don't think fangio would have done so well. I think our players will have something to prove this year with all the coaching turnover, and all mangini has to do is put them in position to let them play to their strengths. And if he doesn't then I can see coach Tomsula stepping in and changing some things to make it work. He's been here long enough to know what fits best for our team, offence and defense, jmho

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:42 AM

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sorry, i'll make sure to be a bigger homer next time i post in niner talk.

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
With Fangio, we would've been around the top 5 again. If Mangini coaches the defense like he's done in years past, we'll be lucky to be a top 15 defense.

Such a lame argument. Have you checked out Fangio's track record before coming here and working with OUR personnel?

why check facts when it is much easier to spit out bile?

Have you checked Manginis track record?

All I know is that we were a top 5 defense every year under Fangio, that track record should say enough.

He had one year as a DC under a NE that was absolutely devastated by injuries back in 2005? Sort of a small, unfair sample size to draw totally negative conclusions while crediting Fangio w/o first looking at HIS track record as well? Could it be...possible...just possible that BOTH Mangini and Fangio could be successful with our personnel? I guess we'll find out with Mangini here and Fangio in Chicago although 1 year is still, to me, not a fair assessment period.

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by 909er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Such a lame argument. Have you checked out Fangio's track record before coming here and working with OUR personnel?

I agree. Without our players, I don't think fangio would have done so well. I think our players will have something to prove this year with all the coaching turnover, and all mangini has to do is put them in position to let them play to their strengths. And if he doesn't then I can see coach Tomsula stepping in and changing some things to make it work. He's been here long enough to know what fits best for our team, offence and defense, jmho

Agreed. Hell, Tomsula has 3 other former DC's on staff so Mangini better do well. LOL!

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
sorry, i'll make sure to be a bigger homer next time i post in niner talk.

Nothing wrong with having an opinion at all...we invite it. Just be prepared to back it up with a solid rationale and we're all golden.

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
sorry, i'll make sure to be a bigger homer next time i post in niner talk.

Lame comment... You made a bold statement and you're being questioned as to the veracity of your remarks. Nothing about being a homer intended or implied...

Apr 24, 2015 at 10:50 AM

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I just want the damn season to start already, my game room is all dusty and lonely lol