Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Right now Kaep has physical talent like Cam Newton, but the all important mental ability and confidence of Mark Sanchez.

I know a lot of people in here have biased love for Kap. I get it, he's still a Niner for now and that's fine. But to even try and compare him to Cam AT THIS POINT is laughable and depressing. It would be a dream come true if Kap figured it out like Cam. Cam has progressively improved. He's an easy MVP pick and better than I ever thought he would be. I thought Kap would be close to where Cam is. We can make up excuses for Kap, but truly they don't matter. Cam doesn't have good WRs. A good TE, but no WRs.

They went opposite directions. I have to admit, I get jealous when I see Cam tearing it up. But, at the end of the day, can't hate. Good for Cam.

I've said way back in 2013 that I hope Kaep can improve and round out his game like Newton. Because you can see Newton improved after he struggled to adjust his game in 2012. We kept waiting for Kaep. He not only didn't improve, he got worse.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Right now Kaep has physical talent like Cam Newton, but the all important mental ability and confidence of Mark Sanchez.

Not even close, Newton runs over people and is hard to sack. Kaepernick is easier to tackle than Dexter Carter was.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Lol i love Cam. I already offered 2 grand to anyone that can quote me saying Kap is better. Someone was saying Kap has TERRIBLE accuracy but Cam stands tall and delivers the ball. I brought up the percentages because he was acting like Kap couldn't hit the side of a house, not because i think Kaps better.

Wasn't talking about you in particular.

Although, in 2015 and for a lot of the prior year Kap's accuracy has been horrendous. To the point where he needs on of the best shrinks in the land. Great physical tools as an athlete (would be a sick WR), but mentally softer than a Drake love jam.

Originally posted by sacniner:

I know a lot of people in here have biased love for Kap. I get it, he's still a Niner for now and that's fine. But to even try and compare him to Cam AT THIS POINT is laughable and depressing. It would be a dream come true if Kap figured it out like Cam. Cam has progressively improved. He's an easy MVP pick and better than I ever thought he would be. I thought Kap would be close to where Cam is. We can make up excuses for Kap, but truly they don't matter. Cam doesn't have good WRs. A good TE, but no WRs.

They went opposite directions. I have to admit, I get jealous when I see Cam tearing it up. But, at the end of the day, can't hate. Good for Cam.

And Cam had never been this good until they turned him into a RB/QB. Also his oline is a literal brick wall if you haven't noticed. Him running the way he does is what makes playing defense a nightmare and opens up the pass game. I'm not taking anything away from him, I always knew he could do it if used right, and they finally did this year.

Tyrod is now a pro bowler. Roman finally coached a pro bowl qb

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
And Cam had never been this good until they turned him into a RB/QB. Also his oline is a literal brick wall if you haven't noticed. Him running the way he does is what makes playing defense a nightmare and opens up the pass game. I'm not taking anything away from him, I always knew he could do it if used right, and they finally did this year.

His o line is really good. And he is great. Dude is an MVP and the favorite to win the Super Bowl. A likely SB MVP candidate.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Lol i love Cam. I already offered 2 grand to anyone that can quote me saying Kap is better. Someone was saying Kap has TERRIBLE accuracy but Cam stands tall and delivers the ball. I brought up the percentages because he was acting like Kap couldn't hit the side of a house, not because i think Kaps better.

Read the niner nation article. Cam has had a ton of drops by his WR's.

Originally posted by sacniner:

I know a lot of people in here have biased love for Kap. I get it, he's still a Niner for now and that's fine. But to even try and compare him to Cam AT THIS POINT is laughable and depressing. It would be a dream come true if Kap figured it out like Cam. Cam has progressively improved. He's an easy MVP pick and better than I ever thought he would be. I thought Kap would be close to where Cam is. We can make up excuses for Kap, but truly they don't matter. Cam doesn't have good WRs. A good TE, but no WRs.

They went opposite directions. I have to admit, I get jealous when I see Cam tearing it up. But, at the end of the day, can't hate. Good for Cam.

There was an interview in the offseason where Cam talked about how much he had been working on his footwork to try and be a better quarterback.


Then you have this jimmy rustler.

"Mechanics are -- I'm not huge on them"-Colin Kaepernick

Then you hear Chris Ault, Kaepernick's former coach speak.

"It's not a sidearm throw by any means, but his elbow and arm are at 90 degrees instead of having that thing extended all the way up. He does that because he's so doggone strong. He's one of the few guys that can get away throwing that way, but when you have to make the touch pass, drop it over [coverage], or if you have to anticipate where a receiver is going, that type of release often times makes you very inconsistent. That's what I'm seeing. I saw it when we were at Nevada a little bit."-Chris Ault

Kaepernick isnt interested in mechanics and as guys like Ault and Cosell have mentioned, its largely his flawed mechanics which are holding him back.



For all those who are holding out hope and see Cam's success as a reason for optimism----I dont think its happening.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

And Cam had never been this good until they turned him into a RB/QB. Also his oline is a literal brick wall if you haven't noticed. Him running the way he does is what makes playing defense a nightmare and opens up the pass game. I'm not taking anything away from him, I always knew he could do it if used right, and they finally did this year.

His o line is really good. And he is great. Dude is an MVP and the favorite to win the Super Bowl. A likely SB MVP candidate.

Gonna be the only guy with a Heisman, a national title, sb ring and NFL mvp. Possible sb mvp too and oh yeah he's 26

Cam was very very average last year. So was Andy Dalton. Give Kap a chance to earn the job in camp. With an improved team he could be better.

Good post Phoenix. A lot of the experts (even Jaws and Warner) have discussed Kap's mechanics. Kap may have been frustrated when he made that comment, or coming off of the Baltimore game where he was like f**k it, if it works it works. Bottom line, he should care a lot about mechanics. If he wants to be CONSISTENT, he needs mechanics. Hopefully he changes his attitude and gets a good shrink.

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by aTx49er:
It's laughable when ppl try to use Kap's career stats against Cam without taking this into context.

Cam went to a 2-14 team with the worst offense in the league.

Yeah and SF had a powerhouse of offensive play makers lol. When Kap got drafted SF was 26th in points

What year was that?

well 2010 they were ranked 24th and then in 2011 (when he was drafted) they were ranked 26th, so it's not like they were some offensive powerhouse when Kap took over lol.

In 2011 they were ranked 11th with 23.8 pts/gm. In 2012 they were also ranked 11th with 24.8. In Kaep's first full year as a starter (2013)they were again ranked 11th with 25.4 pts/gm.

The year before Cam was drafted Carolina was dead last in pts/gm with 12.2. His rookie season they jumped to 5th in the league with 25.4.


http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2011&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

I'm going off of total yards per game...

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2010&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

An the team he was going into (which would have been the 2010 team) was 24th in yards and 24th in points. The 2011 season they were 26th in yards and you have to take in account defensive takeaways when your counting pts per game. (they were a crazy 28+ in turnover ratio that year).

Originally posted by sacniner:

Wasn't talking about you in particular.

Although, in 2015 and for a lot of the prior year Kap's accuracy has been horrendous. To the point where he needs on of the best shrinks in the land. Great physical tools as an athlete (would be a sick WR), but mentally softer than a Drake love jam.

Haha this is my worry also. He may not be mentally tough enough, but he also showed mental toughness early in his career. I don't see the reason to not let him battle for the job one more time now that we have Kelly.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Right now Kaep has physical talent like Cam Newton, but the all important mental ability and confidence of Mark Sanchez.

I know a lot of people in here have biased love for Kap. I get it, he's still a Niner for now and that's fine. But to even try and compare him to Cam AT THIS POINT is laughable and depressing. It would be a dream come true if Kap figured it out like Cam. Cam has progressively improved. He's an easy MVP pick and better than I ever thought he would be. I thought Kap would be close to where Cam is. We can make up excuses for Kap, but truly they don't matter. Cam doesn't have good WRs. A good TE, but no WRs.

They went opposite directions. I have to admit, I get jealous when I see Cam tearing it up. But, at the end of the day, can't hate. Good for Cam.

Let's see, CAM is physically bigger and stronger and plays that way (Why Cam leaps into the End Zone for TDs and does QB sneaks, while Kap never runs those plays and one time he did vs the RAMS he fumbled. remember that one??? ).
Cam has better lateral running/speed (kap has none) when it comes to running the ball so he can actually escape defenders for more yards when he runs out of the pocket when no one is open (even Alex Smith is better than Kap on this one ) .
Cam has a quicker delivery and throws the pass with anticipation (Kap doesn't).
Cam scans the field in the pocket (Kap goes to 1st read, rarely a 2nd, then he runs out and takes a sack) and can throw to his 2nd or 3rd receivers.
Cam can read the defense and call them out better than Kap.
Cam has touch, Kap has NONE.
Cam can move good in the pocket, Kap can't.
Cam has a even bigger and better arm than Kap.
etc
etc
etc
etc
Do we really need to go on???

Cam is a better NFL QB than Kap.
(it's the same when you compare ANY other NFL QB who is better than Kap, there will be a list of things the better QB is better at than Kap and Kap doesn't have many things he's good at as an NFL QB (why he was 8-8 in 2014 and 2-6 in 205) unless he can improve the ones he is not good at and Kap has yet to prove he can do that going into his 6th NFL season and that's exactly why his last 2 head coaches got fired BACK TO BACK and why he should go to the Texans as he has no Future with the 49ers since he's useless and a waste of money and time for the 49ers)

I think Newton has turned into a superstar. He's the league MVP. What people seem to be missing about him is most of his production comes from the pocket - he's a real good QB who is also a terror when he runs. I don't see how anyone could deny any of that. And I think he's a good guy - I used to think he was a dick, but the more I watch him, I think it's just joy - that giving the ball to kids is real hard not to like for me.

What I don't understand is why Niner fans need to pretend that Kaepernick "can't hit the broad side of a barn" or is "mentally soft" or "can't get past his first read" or "he has NO touch" or what the hell ever else you want to pile on with the negative hyperbole. Give it a rest for a while. We get it. Some of you have this unbelievable hard spot for Kaepernick. IMO, it's almost pathological with some of you. I really don't get it. Some of the fans around here continue to act like jilted lovers or something. I'm not arguing for Kaepernick here - IMO, he may rebound and come back strong, he may get shipped off to another team or he may attempt to come back and face plant. We'll see. The safe bet is failure, but we'll see.