49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by evil:

I suspect this thread will be active from Sunday on through the week. OL faces a tall task against one of the best blitzing DC's in the game. Run game will be our friend on Sunday because while they lack talent on the edges, their DC knows how to manufacture pressure and calls an aggressive game.

That's a good point. If Garland starts, expect a truck load of run blitzes right up the gut. Good thing we run outside. Could be quite a few TFL though of defenders getting through. Hmm.

Vita Vea, if he's healthy, could be a load on the interior. They have Suh too?

Originally posted by NCommand:

That's a good point. If Garland starts, expect a truck load of run blitzes right up the gut. Good thing we run outside. Could be quite a few TFL though of defenders getting through. Hmm.

Vita Vea, if he's healthy, could be a load on the interior. They have Suh too?

Vita is out for at least week 1 so that helps even though he wasn't that good last year. McCoy to the panthers helps us too especially if we are without Richburg

Mills sign yet?

Originally posted by NCommand:

That's a good point. If Garland starts, expect a truck load of run blitzes right up the gut. Good thing we run outside. Could be quite a few TFL though of defenders getting through. Hmm.

Vita Vea, if he's healthy, could be a load on the interior. They have Suh too?

Bowles loves the Triple A gap blitz.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Vita is out for at least week 1 so that helps even though he wasn't that good last year. McCoy to the panthers helps us too especially if we are without Richburg

Vita and Lavonte David were back at practice today. Sunday is up in the air for their availability ATM.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Vita is out for at least week 1 so that helps even though he wasn't that good last year. McCoy to the panthers helps us too especially if we are without Richburg

Originally posted by evil:

Bowles loves the Triple A gap Vita and Lavonte David were back at practice today. Sunday is up in the air for their availability ATM.

El...why you gotta lie to me like that?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

I think that plays a part in it. Those teams that play physical style of football, run the ball a whole lot, they usually invest a lot of time in scouting, recruiting and developing top notch linemen. Its also the philosophy that comes from the top. Chryst at Wisconsin, Ferentz at Iowa, Dantonio at Michigan State, Harbaugh at Michigan, Notre Dame with Hiestand as OL coach. These are all guys with pro-style mindsets who run programs that mimic pro organizations.


If I was an NFL GM I'd be looking first at those programs as well as Bama and Georgia to search for potential linemen. I think its already pretty clear that Kyle has an affinity for Ferentz and the Hawkeyes program so I'd especially keep an eye on the OLs they have coming down the pipeline.

Tristan Wirfs

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Vita is out for at least week 1 so that helps even though he wasn't that good last year. McCoy to the panthers helps us too especially if we are without Richburg

Originally posted by evil:

Bowles loves the Triple A gap Vita and Lavonte David were back at practice today. Sunday is up in the air for their availability ATM.

El...why you gotta lie to me like that?

Dammit sorry about that. I read an article yesterday saying he's doubtful at best for week 1

Originally posted by evil:
I suspect this thread will be active from Sunday on through the week. OL faces a tall task against one of the best blitzing DC's in the game. Run game will be our friend on Sunday because while they lack talent on the edges, their DC knows how to manufacture pressure and calls an aggressive game.

run game will be our friend all yr because that's how Kyle has built this team. The offense is built to run the ball, setup play-action, and keep teams in base personnel (or the personnel Kyle wants depending on the team) by having our offense setup in certain personnel.

Hopefully we don't have a -25 turnover ratio which put this team up against the wall all yr.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Vita is out for at least week 1 so that helps even though he wasn't that good last year. McCoy to the panthers helps us too especially if we are without Richburg

Originally posted by evil:

Bowles loves the Triple A gap Vita and Lavonte David were back at practice today. Sunday is up in the air for their availability ATM.

El...why you gotta lie to me like that?

Dammit sorry about that. I read an article yesterday saying he's doubtful at best for week 1

Haha. Let's hope he's really gimpy because he's a beast inside.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Dammit sorry about that. I read an article yesterday saying he's doubtful at best for week 1

I still think he's doubtful.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by evil:

I suspect this thread will be active from Sunday on through the week. OL faces a tall task against one of the best blitzing DC's in the game. Run game will be our friend on Sunday because while they lack talent on the edges, their DC knows how to manufacture pressure and calls an aggressive game.

run game will be our friend all yr because that's how Kyle has built this team. The offense is built to run the ball, setup play-action, and keep teams in base personnel (or the personnel Kyle wants depending on the team) by having our offense setup in certain personnel.

Hopefully we don't have a -25 turnover ratio which put this team up against the wall all yr.

Yeah, when you look at the specific unit matchups, assuming no weird opening weekend anomaly, this game could be much closer than we think.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, it won't change my tune. You can't qualify a statement by, "quality, not just quantity" with 20/20 hindsight vision.

Our TE group is very strong, yet we didn't invest anything above a 5th round pick in that area. Our QB group looks good(ostensibly) as we have Jimmy G #1, Mullens #2. Mullens was an undrafted free agent, yet, would make any NFL roster, IMO.

Our RB group looks strong, even without our top RB signing because of UDFA Breida and mid-level Coleman signings.

Our LB corps looks very strong with a 3rd round pick, 5th round pick and UDFA pushing out veterans with guaranteed money.

I will agree that DL has been the biggest priority. 2, 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick traded. That's a lot of high capital. However, I don't know if you knew, but when they got here WE HAD THE 3rd WORST RUN DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!!!!!

You're darn right it was a priority. It should've been, and was, the highest priority to turn this team around.

Let's just really look at how bad that run defense was. In yards allowed per game there have only been 108 teams that have allowed more rushing yards per game, with most of those coming from the run heavy eras as we allowed the most rushing yards per game since 1990(that's after the run defense faced much easier competition late in the year and improved from 180 YPG allowed to 166). Yet, that was in a season with the fewest rushing attempts per game in NFL history. So, in the season when the NFL ran the ball the least, we allowed some of most yards per game rushing. Adjusted against league averages we were 3rd worst in NFL history in stopping the run. So, am I glad they invested in the DL? Heck yes I am.

Prioritizing is throwing high resources at a position you believe to be important in your rebuild. It's the first things you target: QB, ER/DL, OL, skill positions, etc.

Bringing in a bunch of crap (100 transactions) hoping something sticks on the wall isn't prioritizing...it's not total neglect either.

Overall we never neglected the OL but individually, it looked like this:

2016: Neglect
LOT: Joe Staley; John Theus
LG: Andrew Tiller; Andrew Gardner
C: Zane Beadles; Alex Balducci (Daniel Kilgore & Marcus Martin)
RG: Joshua Garnett
ROT: Trenton Brown

2017: Mild Neglect
LOT: Joe Staley
LG: Laken Tomlinson
C: Daniel Kilgore; Tim Barnes
RG: Brandon Fusco
ROT: (Trenton Brown); Zane Beadles & Darrell Williams Jr.

2018: Priority
LT: Joe Staley; Shon Coleman
LG: Laken Tomlinson
C: Weston Richburg; Erik Magnuson
RG: Mike Person; Joshua Garnett
RT: Mike McGlinchey; Garry Gilliam

2019: Neglect (not a single move made to "improve")
LT: Joe Staley; Daniel Brunskill (Shon Coleman)
LG: Laken Tomlinson
C: (Weston Richburg); Ben Garland
RG: Mike Person
RT: Mike McGlinchey; Justin Skule

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you end up with a 976 page thread and the team's consensus weakness.

The fans think 2020 will be a priority. I hope they are right!

PS: As an example, you're right, the FO didn't prioritize the TE position. They totally lucked into it not having to become one.

No. Just no. I'm calling BS on that. You can't sit here and say they haven't prioritized something and they lucked into good players. No.

Everyone pretty much agrees the draft is more art than science. If it wasn't, BW wouldn't have chose Gio over Tom. If it wasn't, UDFA's making teams or busts wouldn't even be a thing. I'm sorry but when you're trading and signing top guys (Jeremy Zuttah was traded for 2 months after he played in the pro bowl, Jonathan Cooper coming off a great season in DAL, Weston Richburg, highest graded center in FA and large contract, Mike McGlinchey first tackle off the board) you can't say it was outright neglect or even mild neglect.

2016 ShanaLynch weren't even here. So, just take that one off.

I'm working on a stomach ulcer if Garland starts at C. (And if Richburg is still nicked, then don't let him play...YET) And then i think about bellkchek and his 3 new OLs last week.... What in the world is going on in that guy's head ...and stomach?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, when you look at the specific unit matchups, assuming no weird opening weekend anomaly, this game could be much closer than we think.

Boy that TB defense is pretty bad. near the bottom of the league vs the run/pass. Bowels will help BUT he's always wanted good man coverage from his CBs, they're awful there.

They have awful pass rushers as well.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Wow! Well come to think of it, he does have the coaching chops, I mean he's played in man blocking and now he's doing fantastic in zone blocking. Coach Monte Clark (former 49er OLineman) was HC here in '76 and a lot of the '81 OLinemen were either acquired by him in '76 or developed by him in '76 before McKittrick got on board in '79. I"m thinking Coach Staley - having played both styles, would be a great coach for Kyle, should that ever happen.

That and he's a leader and a HUGE technician which is key to coaching...something I feel we might be lacking.

All good coaches must have good communication skills. Staley has a ton on the Joe Show

Seriously though, he seems to have a beautiful family. Not sure he will give that up for the coaching grind. If he ever drives his family crazy staying at home upon retirement, there might be a slim chance he'll looked into coaching.

Real nice to see Joe having fun again in his late years with McG on the team. The team isn't winning much these days, but at least he has that comradery to reinvigorate. I see Joe as lucky. So many Olineman just fade away in retirement on a losing team.

Well, true, if Staley is going into broadcasting - there's probably more money there. I can see him be a talking head on NFLN vs coaching. That may be more to his liking.