49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Offensive linemen drafted by the niners 2011-2017 (after 1st rounders Davis and Iupati were drafted in 2010):

2011
5th Kilgore (Miami starter 2018)
7th Person (49ers)

2012
4th Looney (Dallas starting for Travis 2018)
6th Slowey (BC Lions 2014)

2013
7th Bykowski (Falcons PS 2016)

2014
3rd Martin (Dallas IR 2018)
3rd Thomas (Jags PS 2018)

2015
6th Silberman (Raiders 2017)
7th Brown (NE starter 2018)

2016
1st Garnett
5th Theus (Titans PS 2018)
5th F Cooper (Indy PS 2017)

2017
None

Twelve players and two remain...or one remains (Garnett) and one resigned (Person). Amazing failure to recognize the importance of drafting OL regularly in high to mid rounds. 1 first rounder, two 3rd rounders and a bunch of lower picks. Oddly, Brown may have been the best being drafted in the 7th.

Given this track record I am a bit disappointed Lynch/Shanahan did not draft more OL the past two years (McG is the only guy). Perhaps they were trying to stabilize the OL with veterans...rookies would take longer to jell.

Which draft picks do you want Kyle to do over to satisfy your want for drafting OL high to mid rounds? Pettis? Beathard? Moore? This is what the team did this offseason when talking about resources to build the OL:
- re-signed Kilgore to return last season's C
- re-signed Tomlinson to return last season's LG
- signed Richburg
- drafted McG
- signed Cooper to a contact that suggested he would be a stopgap starter
- signed Person (insignificant)

Doesn't matter what Baalke did, Kyle can't control that. This front office has had a total of one draft where they had a FQB on the roster, and they went OL 9th overall. My point is that the front office did spend capital to upgrade the OL. Even if McG, Richberg, Cooper all bust as acquisitions, the front office still spent the capital in an attempt to build the OL. There is no amazing failure to recognize the need for a better OL.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Well, we're getting better at least.

Remember the 49ers' 2017 nadir at Philly, played without any healthy offensive tackles?

C.J. Beathard was pressured on 60% of drop backs (NFL high) and hit 9 times in that one.

On Sunday, Garopplo was pressured on 50% of drop backs and also hit 9 times.

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) September 11, 2018

Totally inexcusable and embarrassing. Shanahan/Lynch need to fix this ASAP. Protecting the franchise QB is the top priority by a freaking mile.

Originally posted by Costanza:
Totally inexcusable and embarrassing. Shanahan/Lynch need to fix this ASAP. Protecting the franchise QB is the top priority by a freaking mile.

well, you will have to talk to people like poster steve young who think hits on jimmy are fine and part of the game. they knew this line was crap last year unless they were foolish enough to think. oh its not bad. jimmy makes everything better. if they indeed thought that. well then they are in over their head

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Costanza:
Totally inexcusable and embarrassing. Shanahan/Lynch need to fix this ASAP. Protecting the franchise QB is the top priority by a freaking mile.

well, you will have to talk to people like poster steve young who think hits on jimmy are fine and part of the game. they knew this line was crap last year unless they were foolish enough to think. oh its not bad. jimmy makes everything better. if they indeed thought that. well then they are in over their head

My concern now is that even if Jimmy isn't physically hurt, the constant pressure may make him take on bad mechanics, more interceptions, and then loss of confidence.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
My concern now is that even if Jimmy isn't physically hurt, the constant pressure may make him take on bad mechanics, more interceptions, and then loss of confidence.

agree. no one wanted to talk about that last year cuz we won five in a row and all of a sudden you had threads pop up that said. is the ol really that bad. no matter what some say. the pressure and hits as soon as he releases is not good at all. teams did not set around playing checkers and being in shock and awe of the niner hype. they were game planning. and you can bet the lions are to

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Offensive linemen drafted by the niners 2011-2017 (after 1st rounders Davis and Iupati were drafted in 2010):

2011
5th Kilgore (Miami starter 2018)
7th Person (49ers)

2012
4th Looney (Dallas starting for Travis 2018)
6th Slowey (BC Lions 2014)

2013
7th Bykowski (Falcons PS 2016)

2014
3rd Martin (Dallas IR 2018)
3rd Thomas (Jags PS 2018)

2015
6th Silberman (Raiders 2017)
7th Brown (NE starter 2018)

2016
1st Garnett
5th Theus (Titans PS 2018)
5th F Cooper (Indy PS 2017)

2017
None

Twelve players and two remain...or one remains (Garnett) and one resigned (Person). Amazing failure to recognize the importance of drafting OL regularly in high to mid rounds. 1 first rounder, two 3rd rounders and a bunch of lower picks. Oddly, Brown may have been the best being drafted in the 7th.

Given this track record I am a bit disappointed Lynch/Shanahan did not draft more OL the past two years (McG is the only guy). Perhaps they were trying to stabilize the OL with veterans...rookies would take longer to jell.

Great post.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Totally inexcusable and embarrassing. Shanahan/Lynch need to fix this ASAP. Protecting the franchise QB is the top priority by a freaking mile.

well, you will have to talk to people like poster steve young who think hits on jimmy are fine and part of the game. they knew this line was crap last year unless they were foolish enough to think. oh its not bad. jimmy makes everything better. if they indeed thought that. well then they are in over their head

My concern now is that even if Jimmy isn't physically hurt, the constant pressure may make him take on bad mechanics, more interceptions, and then loss of confidence.

Same. It's been my #1 concern since even starting him. He was able to survive and thrive for 5 games but would he over 16 games? Game 1 of 16, the answer clearly is, no.

What is this about Shanahan and Lynch not addressing the o-line? They replaced people at three of the positions and spent a top ten draft pick on a tackle! They spent heavily on a center.

I would like to have seen them spend a pick in the 4-6 rounds on a guard and they need to dress an additional guy on game day, but besides that the argument that they didn't do enough is dumb.

Minny has one of the best d-lines in the league and two guys got hurt at the same exact position within a very short period of time.

Originally posted by ColorMeBaddFan:
What is this about Shanahan and Lynch not addressing the o-line? They replaced people at three of the positions and spent a top ten draft pick on a tackle! They spent heavily on a center.

I would like to have seen them spend a pick in the 4-6 rounds on a guard and they need to dress an additional guy on game day, but besides that the argument that they didn't do enough is dumb.

Minny has one of the best d-lines in the league and two guys got hurt at the same exact position within a very short period of time.

It's definitely a flawed argument.

What the hell is the hold up here in bringing Cooper back for this week?

Originally posted by wolfpack2192:

What the hell is the hold up here in bringing Cooper back for this week?

Did people really not watch Cooper at all? He limped when he walked. His lateral movement seemed to be equivalent to that of a 65 year old man with a bad hip. He was clearly not healthy at all. They'd be better off suiting you up at guard.

You guys crying out because lack of oline don't realize we lost 2 guards! 2!! So we were stuck putting our rookie playing a position he never played on the road in a loud stadium against one if not the best dline in the league. The oline gave jimmy time when they were healthy and even during the preseason they blocked well during the pass. This oline is so much improved from last year and it's not even a concern to me unless person and Garnett miss time

Originally posted by thl408:
Which draft picks do you want Kyle to do over to satisfy your want for drafting OL high to mid rounds? Pettis? Beathard? Moore? This is what the team did this offseason when talking about resources to build the OL:
- re-signed Kilgore to return last season's C
- re-signed Tomlinson to return last season's LG
- signed Richburg
- drafted McG
- signed Cooper to a contact that suggested he would be a stopgap starter
- signed Person (insignificant)

Doesn't matter what Baalke did, Kyle can't control that. This front office has had a total of one draft where they had a FQB on the roster, and they went OL 9th overall. My point is that the front office did spend capital to upgrade the OL. Even if McG, Richberg, Cooper all bust as acquisitions, the front office still spent the capital in an attempt to build the OL. There is no amazing failure to recognize the need for a better OL.

LOL! True! I just addressed this issue in the Garnett thread. There may have been some OL in the 2017 draft but this year once you were past Nelson and McG in the first round it would have been a shot in the dark. My preference in 2017 would have been a flier in the midrounds, but then again, I realize you would have to give up another promising player--Beathard or Williams would have been the two guys potentially disposable in that draft. A couple of lower round guys but a 7th round OG would not likely be on the team.

In 2017 Ariz drafted Dorian Johnson in the 4th round and he's on Carolina's PS. Nico Siragusa was a fourth round pick and is a backup in Baltimore. Sean Harlow 4th round is on the Colts PS.

So, no, there was no starter they could have jumped on. Still, were they thinking Tomlinson and Garnett were the real deal and would become good starters? Probably. Second guessing is fun...but not usually realistic when you do some research.

However, Thl, my regret demonstrated in my post, is that the history of OL drafted by the last few regimes is as bad as Baalke's WR picks. In retrospect the team could have valued those positions higher, particularly in free agency. But then again...you have to have FAs wanting to join your team. Kelly might have been a bigger problem than I thought he would be. Staley said it was the worst year of his football life, so perhaps FAs stayed away for a reason that year?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by thl408:
Which draft picks do you want Kyle to do over to satisfy your want for drafting OL high to mid rounds? Pettis? Beathard? Moore? This is what the team did this offseason when talking about resources to build the OL:
- re-signed Kilgore to return last season's C
- re-signed Tomlinson to return last season's LG
- signed Richburg
- drafted McG
- signed Cooper to a contact that suggested he would be a stopgap starter
- signed Person (insignificant)

Doesn't matter what Baalke did, Kyle can't control that. This front office has had a total of one draft where they had a FQB on the roster, and they went OL 9th overall. My point is that the front office did spend capital to upgrade the OL. Even if McG, Richberg, Cooper all bust as acquisitions, the front office still spent the capital in an attempt to build the OL. There is no amazing failure to recognize the need for a better OL.

LOL! True! I just addressed this issue in the Garnett thread. There may have been some OL in the 2017 draft but this year once you were past Nelson and McG in the first round it would have been a shot in the dark. My preference in 2017 would have been a flier in the midrounds, but then again, I realize you would have to give up another promising player--Beathard or Williams would have been the two guys potentially disposable in that draft. A couple of lower round guys but a 7th round OG would not likely be on the team.

In 2017 Ariz drafted Dorian Johnson in the 4th round and he's on Carolina's PS. Nico Siragusa was a fourth round pick and is a backup in Baltimore. Sean Harlow 4th round is on the Colts PS.

So, no, there was no starter they could have jumped on. Still, were they thinking Tomlinson and Garnett were the real deal and would become good starters? Probably. Second guessing is fun...but not usually realistic when you do some research.

I'm sure Kyle wants to have young potential at each position, but he'll to find satisfactory solutions in the meantime. It seems like he's relying on vets for the guard position - Fusco, Person, Cooper, Tomlinson (youngish vet) as he builds the rest of the team. In due time, I hope.