49ers Offensive Line

Staley is, "CRIMINALLY UNDER PAID"? Interesting... He's 33 years old and is going to count 7.7 million against the cap this year, and even more the following season. How many other 33 year old T's are making that much? Yes, Staley tore it up LAST year, but I would wait for this Pay raise stuff until AFTER this season. If Joe continues to play ELITE level LT, then after this coming season, when he is going into the final year of his deal, that is when I would look to GUARANTEE him a little more money.

So if he's gonna count around 8 million in 2019, I would re work his deal where he would get like 11-12 million in 2019 (thus a 3 million raise for no reason other than being nice), and have that same salary available for the following 2 seasons. Thus if he continues to play good he makes good money, and if he declines, then he got some EXTRA money from us, and we were able to get out from under his extension if need be.

It's like the Seahawks who refuse to talk about extensions if you have more than 1 year left on your contract. We would look pretty stupid if we just GIVE Staley 3-5 million more each season, and basically GUARANTEE the salary, only to see him decline, or suffer a major injury this year. Doing things like that are what give us such huge Dead money hits.

I like how transparent KS and JL are about their flaws which explains the whole Kilgore situation. Both of them but especially JL said how it's hard for him to tell players they grow bonds with that they are being let go. I think the fact that Kilgore was a hard worker and top 5 team character got in the way a bit and they wanted to try and go after an upgrade while keeping Kilgore. It wasn't his play but it was everything else that almost kept him on the team.

That is what I had been arguing all along and that anyone saying his play warranted a resign on its own needed their eyes checked out. KS also said that center is the most important position because now our guards can worry more about their responsibilities. I'm so happy that they knew they still needed an upgrade but would have still never signed Kilgore to begin or signed him post negotiation with Richburg. No doubt in my mind PFF ranks Richburg top 3 center with Jimmy G back there.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Problem is OND, I think SY is flat wrong. I know you didn't notice much as per your posts, or perhaps you didn't really take note. I missed the majority of JGs, greatness early on, in that i was watching the hits ...and they were 1) way too many, and 2) way too ugly. Couple could have been career or at least season Enders. I never was so glad to see a season end as this one...because i got tired of holding my breath on so me of those blows. SY entitied to his opinion. But same here. And they were there.

first off, doc, i watched every game, sometimes more than once, and i always focus on the line play.

i do not recall seeing ANY career threatening hits on JG--yet you say you got tired of holding your breath--presumably out of anxiety--on all of the--again presumably--frequent, potentially career-ending hits.

sorry, doc, but its strange that not only did i fail to see ANY such horrific, terrifying hits, but i also missed seeing them frequently--apparently on every play. i shall have to rewatch a game or two to check my recollection, or my eyesight, or my sanity. perhaps all three.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
Is Lynch done talking about giving Staley a raise, even though he still has 2 years under contract? Just because we have the money, it doesn't mean we need to just throw it away if we don't need to. Staley has made a lot of money with us, and he's still under contract for 2 more yars to make a good chunk of change. I could see rewarding him right now, and just guaranteeing the rest of his contract, but there's really no need to do that either. I hope they just leave Staley and his contract alone ,and use the money we have to keep adding FA's, or to roll over to use next year to continue to keep our players and add through FA.

If you extend him you might be able to convince him to play beyond the 2 years left under his current deal.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The 49ers model of success shouldn't be Seattle where they failed to meaningfully address the OL position for years because their QB could outrun defenders. Wilson has taken a lot of unnecessary beatings over the years.

Garoppolo has a quick release. He'll get sacked a lot less often but the hits still add up and there were games like Houston where he got the hell beat out of him and took some monster hits despite not being sacked.

If you lose your pricy franchise QB for the reason due to them getting rocked, nobody is going to think "well at least he didn't get sacked on the play."

you are preaching to the choir

Heh, cool aid for everybody! Phoenix is going to make your favorite flavor.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ark49er:
I think getting Kilgore out of here and Richburg in greatly increases the entire OL performance. I'm not ready to throw away Tomlinson and Garnett without seeing if any rookie can beat them out. It's certainly not set in stone that those two won't be the opening day starters.

True, true.

Agree. I think we have some young talented O Linemen that the 49er coaches can coach up to being pretty good.

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:
As far as o-line goes it feels as if the picture is getting more clear. It seems as if the front office is likin the Work Joshua Garnett has put in. Maybe they envision him as being successful after changing his body An husband level of intelligence. I really want that kid from Notre Dame in the first round

With the Attaochu signing, that might be a possibility now. That signing decreased a bit the need to have a pass rusher in the draft. My preference is that I think the BPA at number 9 is still Landry, but if ShanaLynch goes with a top OT or Guard, I'd be disappointed, but I understand the importance of preserving Jimmy GQ's body and the 137 million investment.

I say we draft the best lg in the draft and if we have to trade up to do it we should since Jimmy G needs the best protection we can give the guy .....we haven't had a while like this in a very long time let's not get him hurt and lose his career

Also it will improve our running game and we need a guy like that playing the rams twice a year

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ark49er:

I think getting Kilgore out of here and Richburg in greatly increases the entire OL performance. I'm not ready to throw away Tomlinson and Garnett without seeing if any rookie can beat them out. It's certainly not set in stone that those two won't be the opening day starters.

True, true.

Agree. I think we have some young talented O Linemen that the 49er coaches can coach up to being pretty good.

Agree. The fact that we haven't sign a guard in FA probably means Lynch thinks Tomlinson is a starter quality. We will draft a guard within the first 3 rounds who can start or at least compete with Garnett and Magnasun for a starting spot.

It will be interesting to see how the draft starts to unfold. We are in a good spot at 9, that if one of the top QB's fall, then someone will be wanting to move up with us to grab that QB, thus we will be able to add a bunch of picks. On the flip side, if everyone is trading up above us and grabbing all the QB's, then some good position players MIGHT fall to us. If Nelson or Fitzpatrick some how fall to us, then we should be looking at that, or we could still look to trade down and let someone else get one ofthose guys.
Personally I want Edmunds, because he can play all over the LB spots, and would give us extreme versatility at the position. I am hoping a QB falls, and the Bills trade up with us. I wouldn't mind taking their 12 pick in the draft, and what ever the 150 point difference equates to in 2019 draft picks, or if they are willing to pay up a little, I would take the number 22 pick, along with their 2 second round picks.
If we slide to 12, that is where I would look to grab Edmunds, this way we get a little value out of our 1st round pick, while still landing a difference maker. If we move to 22, then we can go BPA, and then have lots of options in the 2nd, with the 2 added Bills picks, to go along with our own 2nd round pick.

I want us to go LB in the 1st, CB in the second, and T in the 3rd. Once we hit the middle rounds, that is where I would be looking for a Guard and other positions of need. I say LB in the first because someone like Edmunds or Landry could be huge for us. CB in the 2nd is because we have no young talent at the position other than Witherspoon, and I say T in the 3rd, because I think Crosby will be there, and he could be a replacement for Brown after this season (if we let him go) or potentially replace Staley in a couple years.

Originally posted by littleken:
Agree. The fact that we haven't sign a guard in FA probably means Lynch thinks Tomlinson is a starter quality. We will draft a guard within the first 3 rounds who can start or at least compete with Garnett and Magnasun for a starting spot.

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Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

Originally posted by littleken:

Agree. The fact that we haven't sign a guard in FA probably means Lynch thinks Tomlinson is a starter quality. We will draft a guard within the first 3 rounds who can start or at least compete with Garnett and Magnasun for a starting spot.

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Well, just based on round drafted:

1-1-2-1-7(Brown)

Originally posted by littleken:

Agree. The fact that we haven't sign a guard in FA probably means Lynch thinks Tomlinson is a starter quality. We will draft a guard within the first 3 rounds who can start or at least compete with Garnett and Magnasun for a starting spot.

Or that the guards in FA weren't very good? You had guys that were either poor scheme fits or had a litany of injury issues. Look how much the Cardinals paid for Pugh who has had major back and knee issues.


Meanwhile this upcoming draft has starter quality guard prospects through the first 3-4 rounds.


I'd wait and see what happens in the draft first before making proclamations about who is starter quality or will even have a roster spot next season. Kerley and Hightower are good examples of that from last year.


One thing that every guard on the roster has in common is that they have very little to no guaranteed money so a minimal hit if you cut or trade any of them. None of them should be feeling particularly safe.