49ers Offensive Line

The same people were blaming the Oline when Kaepernick was running around In circles in the pocket as well.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by NCommand:
When you have probably the best T duo in the game regarding pass protection, and still give as many hits as Seattle, that means the mass majority of those are coming right up the gut...and it didn't matter who the QB was...Hoyer, BeatHard or Garoppolo...they were all getting tattooed way more than they should have.

Hoyer and CJ took far more punishment than JG--proportionately--because they did not release their passes as quickly. That is NOT evidence that JG was "obviously" taking alot of "devastating" late hits consistently.

to the contrary, one could argue that it is evidence that JG did NOT get hit that much in comparison.

the interior o-line needed to be addressed--based on their performance in the first 9 games. but the argument that the interior o-line needed to be addressed because JG "obviously" took too many devastating late hits is specious and unsupported--or "flat wrong" as steve young pointed out above

People were claiming JG was still getting hit too much and moved off his spot (pressures) despite masking it better. The OL didn't magically change.

You disagree but a simple proportioned average of hits and pressures over the 9 vs. 5 should be simple proof for both parties.

sorry NC but "people claiming" something doesn't make it true or correct.

"People" once claimed the world to be flat--but nobody ever fell off of it.

and your stats for the whole season are not proof of anything specifically relating to the last 5 games--you need specific stats for those 5 games to compare directly to the first 9 games and consider other factors as well--different qbs, health of the players on the team, experience in shanny's system, etc.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Wrong about what? Unless you're kidding. What I'm stating pretty much falls into the department of Captain Obvious.

Wrong about how many devastating hits he took.

It simply didn't happen.

I'm not saying we won't add a guard or two but saying Garappolo got crushed weekly is flat out wrong.

question for all those saying that JG took too many hits after he released the pass--what's the basis of that statement, or is it just hyperbole?

116 Hits alone...2nd in the NFC...to...Seattle with 121.

QB Hits

You might need to go to to individual game splits. But you KNOW, a very small % of those hits were because of Staley & Brown.

PFF tracks pressures.

Hits are to be avoided. Beahards took some horrible hits because he held the ball too long and was not very nimble in the pocket. JG took hits that were usually after release of the ball, because he is so darn quick.

But why on earth would we not improve pass protection? My main disagreement with Harbaugh/Baalke was that the OL tended to be built for power running rather than movement and pass protection. So, Shanahan does not need five first round picks on the OL to succeed. He needs smart mobile guys who are tenacious.

The OL needs to take every hit personally.

Really like your last sentence, dtg. That is exactly how they should take hits.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by NCommand:

When you have probably the best T duo in the game regarding pass protection, and still give as many hits as Seattle, that means the mass majority of those are coming right up the gut...and it didn't matter who the QB was...Hoyer, BeatHard or Garoppolo...they were all getting tattooed way more than they should have.

Hoyer and CJ took far more punishment than JG--proportionately--because they did not release their passes as quickly. That is NOT evidence that JG was "obviously" taking alot of "devastating" late hits consistently.

to the contrary, one could argue that it is evidence that JG did NOT get hit that much in comparison.

the interior o-line needed to be addressed--based on their performance in the first 9 games. but the argument that the interior o-line needed to be addressed because JG "obviously" took too many devastating late hits is specious and unsupported--or "flat wrong" as steve young pointed out above

Problem is OND, I think SY is flat wrong. I know you didn't notice much as per your posts, or perhaps you didn't really take note. I missed the majority of JGs, greatness early on, in that i was watching the hits ...and they were 1) way too many, and 2) way too ugly. Couple could have been career or at least season Enders. I never was so glad to see a season end as this one...because i got tired of holding my breath on some of those blows. SY entitied to his opinion. But same here. And they were there.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

question for all those saying that JG took too many hits after he released the pass--what's the basis of that statement, or is it just hyperbole?

Too many hits like this where the OL failed to do anything but apply the matador blocking technique.


Garoppolo does a phenomenal job but you can't let him get hit like this as often as he got hit. Over time these do take their toll, even if he isn't being sacked.

Calais Campbell (@Campbell93) rushes ½ man vs Beadles. Finishes with a rip & pressures/hits Jimmy G #Jaguars pic.twitter.com/NVRX7NFAho

— DLineVids (@DLineVids) December 28, 2017

Not true PHX. After each beat down, KILGORE walked over and helped JimmyG off the carpet. So the OL did something. Just not during the play itself. I think that's why jimmy liked him. Who knows. And whatever move #68 made to delay the EDGE , he knows that "block" really well. We saw it a lot.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Problem is OND, I think SY is flat wrong. I know you didn't notice much as per your posts, or perhaps you didn't really take note. I missed the majority of JGs, greatness early on, in that i was watching the hits ...and they were 1) way too many, and 2) way too ugly. Couple could have been career or at least season Enders. I never was so glad to see a season end as this one...because i got tired of holding my breath on some of those blows. SY entitied to his opinion. But same here. And they were there.

Career ending?? FFS man. Are you for real??

Talk about an over-exhageration.

What an absolutely rediculous post.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

sorry NC but "people claiming" something doesn't make it true or correct.

"People" once claimed the world to be flat--but nobody ever fell off of it.

and your stats for the whole season are not proof of anything specifically relating to the last 5 games--you need specific stats for those 5 games to compare directly to the first 9 games and consider other factors as well--different qbs, health of the players on the team, experience in shanny's system, etc.

I can't speak to the claims of other people but I provided overall facts there. And I agree. We'd still need the splits of the 9 vs. 5 to make any claim one way or another. Sacks are easy to find and that went down. But pressures and hits are a bit harder to find per game, so if anyone has those splits, that would be very helpful. But I did personally see him take a couple big hits, one in particular I couldn't believe he got up...head/face shot.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Not true PHX. After each beat down, KILGORE walked over and helped JimmyG off the carpet. So the OL did something. Just not during the play itself. I think that's why jimmy liked him. Who knows.

That's one the best DE's in the league going up against our 3rd string OG who was forced to play T.

And whoop-de-do. Garappolo fell over. If you think that is a career ender well:

1) You have never played football

2) You haven't watched much football.

Im going with both.

The vid above speaks for itself. I stand by what i saw happen.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

The vid above speaks for itself. I stand by what i saw happen.

If you think that is a big hit then my point is proven and you saying Garappolo tool big hits every game is a load of BS.

Because sorry to break it to you but that was not a big hit.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
That's one the best DE's in the league going up against our 3rd string OG who was forced to play T.

And whoop-de-do. Garappolo fell over. If you think that is a career ender well:

1) You have never played football

2) You haven't watched much football.

Im going with both.

No need for personal invective. You disagree...Wow! Next issue please...

Is Lynch done talking about giving Staley a raise, even though he still has 2 years under contract? Just because we have the money, it doesn't mean we need to just throw it away if we don't need to. Staley has made a lot of money with us, and he's still under contract for 2 more yars to make a good chunk of change. I could see rewarding him right now, and just guaranteeing the rest of his contract, but there's really no need to do that either. I hope they just leave Staley and his contract alone ,and use the money we have to keep adding FA's, or to roll over to use next year to continue to keep our players and add through FA.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

Is Lynch done talking about giving Staley a raise, even though he still has 2 years under contract? Just because we have the money, it doesn't mean we need to just throw it away if we don't need to. Staley has made a lot of money with us, and he's still under contract for 2 more yars to make a good chunk of change. I could see rewarding him right now, and just guaranteeing the rest of his contract, but there's really no need to do that either. I hope they just leave Staley and his contract alone ,and use the money we have to keep adding FA's, or to roll over to use next year to continue to keep our players and add through FA.

There is so much wrong with this post it's not even funny.

What's wrong with is Steve? By your logic, lets give Garcon a raise and anyone else with 2 years left on their deal, just to do it. Staley is getting towards the end of his career, no need to give him more money when he is already locked up. I bet you were a huge supporter when we gave Bowman that extension less than a year before we CUT him. Or when we signed McDonald for NO REASON, and then trade him and take a big cap hit less than 6 months later.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

What's wrong with is Steve? By your logic, lets give Garcon a raise and anyone else with 2 years left on their deal, just to do it. Staley is getting towards the end of his career, no need to give him more money when he is already locked up. I bet you were a huge supporter when we gave Bowman that extension less than a year before we CUT him. Or when we signed McDonald for NO REASON, and then trade him and take a big cap hit less than 6 months later.

Garcon is getting 10 million a year.

Staley won't be getting an extension like Bowman which was silly. He will be getting a pay raise which is well deserved.

It's about rewarding your players especially your veterans and leaders. This gesture is also seen by other players in the league.

Take your job for example, if you are one of the best at your profession and criminally under-paid would you not respect your employer if they came to you and offered you a pay raise?