49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That speaks more to the lack of talent in the league and doesn't change the fact that he sucks,mediocre would be a substantial improvement for him.

Yes, correct. There isn't much quality throughout the league, and the point was Brendel is better than probably half the starting centers

So when people say move on, go get someone else, there arent a ton of options. Hopefully we roll the dice on a higher-ish pick this year

Better than half based on what? PFF

They've had ample opportunity to upgrade at the position and they haven't even brought in legitimate competition.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Better than half based on what? PFF

They've had ample opportunity to upgrade at the position and they haven't even brought in legitimate competition.

Idk, just watching the games? Not sure if you realize how bad other centers are out there

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Better than half based on what? PFF

They've had ample opportunity to upgrade at the position and they haven't even brought in legitimate competition.

Idk, just watching the games? Not sure if you realize how bad other centers are out there

They don't understand just how bad OL play is around the league.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Better than half based on what? PFF

They've had ample opportunity to upgrade at the position and they haven't even brought in legitimate competition.

Idk, just watching the games? Not sure if you realize how bad other centers are out there

They don't understand just how bad OL play is around the league.

Justin Herbert would kill to have the 49ers O line right now. As big and strong as he is he's been sacked 35 times already. He's also been hit 58 times and pressured 121 times. I know it's because the Chargers line has been devastated by injuries but it shows how fragile teams are. They just don't have the depth they used to have.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Better than half based on what? PFF

They've had ample opportunity to upgrade at the position and they haven't even brought in legitimate competition.

Idk, just watching the games? Not sure if you realize how bad other centers are out there

They don't understand just how bad OL play is around the league.

OL players are inferior to DL players because of the difference in the impact a single player can have on the game. It starts in college. The biggest, strongest, fastest guys go to the defense, in part, because that is where the glamour and the money is. Of course, that transfers to the pro game for the same reason. So, the OL are big guys but not as quick and agile as the DL guys. The gap in pay is just ridiculous for that reason.

Here is what the data shows about OL/DL value:

Creed Humphrey is the highest paid Center at $18 million year. (there is a sizable gap in rating between Humphrey and the next guy in line) There are 17 DTs that earn more than Humphrey. Looking at Guards, there is a similar gap in pay with 10 guards earning more than Humphrey. The league does not value OL like it does DL, and Center is on the bottom of the barrel.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That speaks more to the lack of talent in the league and doesn't change the fact that he sucks,mediocre would be a substantial improvement for him.

Yes, correct. There isn't much quality throughout the league, and the point was Brendel is better than probably half the starting centers

So when people say move on, go get someone else, there arent a ton of options. Hopefully we roll the dice on a higher-ish pick this year

Better than half based on what? PFF

They've had ample opportunity to upgrade at the position and they haven't even brought in legitimate competition.

They have drafted Centers and guys who they felt could develop but they haven't worked out. This offseason they signed Matt Hennessy to give Brendel comp but he went back to the bench after a couple of mediocre games.

Of the top 20 Centers in the league right now:
Only 1 was a 1st round pick.
4 came in the 2nd
4 in the 3rd
4 in the 4th
1 in the 5th
AND 6 were UDFA.

So, based on the numbers, the best place to find a starting Center is on the scrap heap of Undrafted Free Agents. Now you know why Center play is not good around the league. You have a bunch of unwanted players competing against the biggest and the best. Nobody wants to play the position so you have to make due with what you can.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Better than half based on what? PFF

They've had ample opportunity to upgrade at the position and they haven't even brought in legitimate competition.

Idk, just watching the games? Not sure if you realize how bad other centers are out there

How many games have you watched these other centers play?

I'm not concerned with how bad other centers around the league are its irrelevant to the fact that Brendel completely sucks and an effort to upgrade the position is long overdue.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
How many games have you watched these other centers play?

I'm not concerned with how bad other centers around the league are its irrelevant to the fact that Brendel completely sucks and an effort to upgrade the position is long overdue.

I watch football for like 10+ hours every Sunday so however many centers that is.

Also, I understand Brendel isn't great in a vacuum. I don't think anyone is saying that. You're saying Brendel is a bottom of the barrel NFL center, and he's not.

Both of these things can be (and are) true: Jake Brendel isn't great and he's also nowhere near the worst center in the nfl

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That speaks more to the lack of talent in the league and doesn't change the fact that he sucks,mediocre would be a substantial improvement for him.

Yes, correct. There isn't much quality throughout the league, and the point was Brendel is better than probably half the starting centers

So when people say move on, go get someone else, there arent a ton of options. Hopefully we roll the dice on a higher-ish pick this year

Better than half based on what? PFF

They've had ample opportunity to upgrade at the position and they haven't even brought in legitimate competition.

They have drafted Centers and guys who they felt could develop but they haven't worked out. This offseason they signed Matt Hennessy to give Brendel comp but he went back to the bench after a couple of mediocre games.

Of the top 20 Centers in the league right now:
Only 1 was a 1st round pick.
4 came in the 2nd
4 in the 3rd
4 in the 4th
1 in the 5th
AND 6 were UDFA.

So, based on the numbers, the best place to find a starting Center is on the scrap heap of Undrafted Free Agents. Now you know why Center play is not good around the league. You have a bunch of unwanted players competing against the biggest and the best. Nobody wants to play the position so you have to make due with what you can.

Thanks for clarifying that for me 🙄

Top 20 Centers based on what PFF?

The simple fact is they've made absolutely no effort to upgrade a glaring issue at a position Shannahan at one time thought was fairly valuable to his offenses success.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
How many games have you watched these other centers play?

I'm not concerned with how bad other centers around the league are its irrelevant to the fact that Brendel completely sucks and an effort to upgrade the position is long overdue.

I watch football for like 10+ hours every Sunday so however many centers that is.

Also, I understand Brendel isn't great in a vacuum. I don't think anyone is saying that. You're saying Brendel is a bottom of the barrel NFL center, and he's not.

Both of these things can be (and are) true: Jake Brendel isn't great and he's also nowhere near the worst center in the nfl

That seems like a pretty small sample size even if you focus entirely on the Center position to determine they are clearly worse than Brendel.

Of those you deem worse than Brendel how many of them have watched multiple times?

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That seems like a pretty small sample size even if you focus entirely on the Center position to determine they are clearly worse than Brendel.

Of those you deem worse than Brendel how many of them have watched multiple times?

I'm not a film review guy, nor was I marking anything down. Just watch games every week. There are some truly bad Centers (and ol play in general). If you think Brendel is the worst center or near the worst I'm guessing you haven't watched many other teams.

But, also not really worth arguing about. If you think he's the worst, some random internet nerd like myself won't (and shouldn't) change your opinion but if you took the time to watch people who know what they're talking about about analyze it I think you'd find Brendel isn't the worst.

I do agree I'd love to upgrade though!

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
That speaks more to the lack of talent in the league and doesn't change the fact that he sucks,mediocre would be a substantial improvement for him.

Yes, correct. There isn't much quality throughout the league, and the point was Brendel is better than probably half the starting centers

So when people say move on, go get someone else, there arent a ton of options. Hopefully we roll the dice on a higher-ish pick this year

Better than half based on what? PFF

They've had ample opportunity to upgrade at the position and they haven't even brought in legitimate competition.

They have drafted Centers and guys who they felt could develop but they haven't worked out. This offseason they signed Matt Hennessy to give Brendel comp but he went back to the bench after a couple of mediocre games.

Of the top 20 Centers in the league right now:
Only 1 was a 1st round pick.
4 came in the 2nd
4 in the 3rd
4 in the 4th
1 in the 5th
AND 6 were UDFA.

So, based on the numbers, the best place to find a starting Center is on the scrap heap of Undrafted Free Agents. Now you know why Center play is not good around the league. You have a bunch of unwanted players competing against the biggest and the best. Nobody wants to play the position so you have to make due with what you can.

Thanks for clarifying that for me 🙄

Top 20 Centers based on what PFF?

The simple fact is they've made absolutely no effort to upgrade a glaring issue at a position Shannahan at one time thought was fairly valuable to his offenses success.

You are embarrassing yourself with your personal vendetta against PFF. Professionals at all levels accept their ratings and rankings as a baseline to begin evaluation of players. In fact, there are a couple of articles on the front page here that refer to PFF ratings. Go find a new ploy to get attention. This one is old and moldy.

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

From Weeks 1 through 5, Kyle Shanahan called 88 zone plays to just 29 gap schemes. Christian McCaffrey and Brian Robinson averaged 3.3 yards per carry with only six combined carries going for 10+ yards on 118 attempts. During that span, the 49ers were 23rd in rushing success rate…

— Kyle Posey (@KP_Show) November 21, 2025

Puni has been night and day difference from early in the season. Obviously it was the injury vs a sophomore slump

It this is Trent Williams last year we are in a world of hurt.

We will need a LT, LG and an upgrade on C (which Shanahan won't do because he won't replace Brendel)

We need a disruptive pass rushing 3T DT and a starting FS.

And depending on Bosa and Williams probably a starting DE.

Easy work for this front office right?