49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
He's admitting we need our "stars" to play lights out in the SB in order to win because our o-line sucks, but it got us that far regardless, so if they don't it's the stars fault because we all know the o line sucks?

I'm saying we got to the SB because of our play makers and star players. Thats where the money is invested, that's where the draft capital is invested. When they don't show up (which they overall didn't), SF isn't winning….SF doesn't ride the back of some elite level OL. Never have and they won a bunch because of everything else I just said.

SO YES when those supposed star players s**t the bed, I'm absolutely putting more blame on them than a couple role playing interior OL as the reason we lost overall.

it's not a hard thing to grasp. Like any sport if the star/core guys don't show up, I'm not putting all the blame on the role/backup players for the failure.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:
I think the future 1st ballot HOFer has this thing figured out.

I don't think anyone is questioning whether he's got it figured out or not. Other guys have it figured out as well. Just feels like it would've been a good message to send to the rest of the team. We'll see how he looks once the mandatory stuff starts. If he thinks staying away is best for his body…Hope he's right.

Oh I get the point. I think he's just fine tho and doesn't need to send a message and all that stuff in voluntaries. Let Purdy and others send those messages.

He held out for over a year from his previous team so we knew what we were getting,...and we've benefitted greatly from it.

He's far and away earned the right during a career like his to show up when required. Show up and be the best blocker on the team. That's all that's needed.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:
I think the future 1st ballot HOFer has this thing figured out.

I don't think anyone is questioning whether he's got it figured out or not. Other guys have it figured out as well. Just feels like it would've been a good message to send to the rest of the team. We'll see how he looks once the mandatory stuff starts. If he thinks staying away is best for his body…Hope he's right.

Oh I get the point. I think he's just fine tho and doesn't need to send a message and all that stuff in voluntaries. Let Purdy and others send those messages.

He held out for over a year from his previous team so we knew what we were getting,...and we've benefitted greatly from it.

He's far and away earned the right during a career like his to show up when required. Show up and be the best blocker on the team. That's all that's needed.

I fully understand it's a nothing burger in the grand scheme of things. Just doesn't sit well with me...but I get it.

I would like Trent to be there even not participating because he can teach LT play at the top level to guys who have a lot to learn. From years ago I remember an interview where Trent talked about not really liking the game as much for the physical dominance and fame part and it was more about the learning and the teaching the game, and he thought he might become a coach after he retired.

Other than Williams and Humphries (ACL recovery year 2+) the 49ers have less than 100 LT NFL snaps on the roster IIRC, and most of them were in blowout losses. The list of possible backups to Trent is not particularly impressive.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:
I think the future 1st ballot HOFer has this thing figured out.

I don't think anyone is questioning whether he's got it figured out or not. Other guys have it figured out as well. Just feels like it would've been a good message to send to the rest of the team. We'll see how he looks once the mandatory stuff starts. If he thinks staying away is best for his body…Hope he's right.

Oh I get the point. I think he's just fine tho and doesn't need to send a message and all that stuff in voluntaries. Let Purdy and others send those messages.

He held out for over a year from his previous team so we knew what we were getting,...and we've benefitted greatly from it.

He's far and away earned the right during a career like his to show up when required. Show up and be the best blocker on the team. That's all that's needed.

I fully understand it's a nothing burger in the grand scheme of things. Just doesn't sit well with me...but I get it.

Although not sure it's a complete nothing burger when he proceeded to come in out of shape last year after holding out and then missed 7 games due to injury.

The O line needs continuity to function well as a unit. We've seen several starters from the recent Niner teams move on in search of a better deal. They might not have been great but if they had stayed together as a unit they may have developed into a reasonably good pass blocking line. Pass blocking is harder to coordinate than run blocking so it takes longer. New faces every year makes unity harder to develop.

Originally posted by Scoots:
I would like Trent to be there even not participating because he can teach LT play at the top level to guys who have a lot to learn. From years ago I remember an interview where Trent talked about not really liking the game as much for the physical dominance and fame part and it was more about the learning and the teaching the game, and he thought he might become a coach after he retired.

Other than Williams and Humphries (ACL recovery year 2+) the 49ers have less than 100 LT NFL snaps on the roster IIRC, and most of them were in blowout losses. The list of possible backups to Trent is not particularly impressive.

We never officially signed him I guess.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
He's admitting we need our "stars" to play lights out in the SB in order to win because our o-line sucks, but it got us that far regardless, so if they don't it's the stars fault because we all know the o line sucks?

I'm saying we got to the SB because of our play makers and star players. Thats where the money is invested, that's where the draft capital is invested. When they don't show up (which they overall didn't), SF isn't winning….SF doesn't ride the back of some elite level OL. Never have and they won a bunch because of everything else I just said.

SO YES when those supposed star players s**t the bed, I'm absolutely putting more blame on them than a couple role playing interior OL as the reason we lost overall.

it's not a hard thing to grasp. Like any sport if the star/core guys don't show up, I'm not putting all the blame on the role/backup players for the failure.

You know I love you bro but this is thin. They simply
dgaf about o line and it's costing them.

Obviously purely opinion as always but what do you expect this year?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You know I love you bro but this is thin. They simply
dgaf about o line and it's costing them.

Obviously purely opinion as always but what do you expect this year?

Again, I view it in the same vein as if Kobe Bryant s**t the bed in game 7 of the championship, but Luke Walton missed a game winning 3…I'm not blaming Walton for the loss. They got there because of Kobe and their star players. Not because of Walton.

This team lives and dies based off their star players and play makers…not their elite level OL. Good bad that's how this team is built and where the cash/picks go. I would have said the same thing if they invested heavily in the OL and they just s**t the bed in the SB. I would be blaming the OL. Truth is they never got to where they were based on the OL. Our star guys show up at the most important moments, no one is talking about the OL.

as far as this yr goes…we got younger, so I expect growing pains, but they have the easiest schedule in football. Brock is gonna have to do more than he's ever done and if he's up to the challenge, they will be in the thick of it. Still a ton of talent on this team.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Although not sure it's a complete nothing burger when he proceeded to come in out of shape last year after holding out and then missed 7 games due to injury.

At this point of his career,...if he's not mentally and physically rested enough by the time he's due to report,...retirement's surely an option.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Come on man...

This is when the ball is already out


You want him to put that ball on Aiyuk with the safety over the top like that? Claiming that's an easy ass throw and TD is laughable considering the play was covered before Brock threw the ball, it was covered right after the ball actually leaves his hands and Aiyuk only looks wide open at the end because him looking for the ball fools the safety to stop.

No matter how you slice it is crazy to knock a 2nd year QB for not throwing a TD on this play.

I've blamed everyone who deserves blame in that game. That includes Brock. That includes Kyle. That includes unfortunately way too many people. But it sure as hell also includes the OL so downplaying their impact on that game isn't it either.

When you know that unit is a problem going into the season, during the season and it ends up biting you in the ass in the SB and making arguably one of the worst mistakes on the final offensive play in OT...they deserve the heat.

It's a poorly thrown football. He's thrown how many footballs in his life? Why do we have to make excuses like he's only played in the NFL for two yrs, so he's allowed to throw bad balls or miss on crucial 3rd down reads? He gets the glory and MVP honors when he plays well. He should get some of the blame when things don't go great.

You damn well know he wishes he could have some of those plays back and will hold himself accountable. He's the most important player on the team.

Also guess what….Brock makes that throw then they very well could have won the SB and that poor OL wouldn't be a scapegoat for everything thats bad same for a bunch of start players who turtled up in the biggest moments, instead of making a play…but yeah let's crucify a RG who got tossed into a game.

YES. Crucify a guy for not doing his friggin job. What are you doing NY?

You won't crucify a guy who on 3rd down decided it's better not to block the other teams best pass rusher but it's fine to crucify Brock over that throw on first down? Let's forget the throw he makes 2 downs later which if Deebo could get any separation is a sure TD.



I honestly don't get how you can excuse a play like that. Like I said I don't disagree with your overall point but given how this conversation kicked off to brush off the Burford mistake like no big deal is crazy to me.

Joe B is a better QB than Purdy, however, why didn't Joe B win the SB when he was in it? I think a lot of blame went to their OL.
Why wasn't Joe B able to overcome the deficiencies of the team to win that Super Bowl? That's what these elite quarterbacks paid the big bucks are supposed to do.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Joe B is a better QB than Purdy, however, why didn't Joe B win the SB when he was in it? I think a lot of blame went to their OL.

someone's gotta lose. Joe B can play, so can Stafford. if you recall 2021, the Rams had elite D and Kupp was a triple crown winner, and they had McVay. If I am not mistaken, Kevin O'C was with Rams. so Rams had em out coached, better defense, and can match the QB play. i have a lot of respect for McVay as a coach. he's not too dissimilar from Shanahan. the Rams are probably a better run outfit than the Bengals.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Joe B is a better QB than Purdy, however, why didn't Joe B win the SB when he was in it? I think a lot of blame went to their OL.

someone's gotta lose. Joe B can play, so can Stafford. if you recall 2021, the Rams had elite D and Kupp was a triple crown winner, and they had McVay. If I am not mistaken, Kevin O'C was with Rams. so Rams had em out coached, better defense, and can match the QB play. i have a lot of respect for McVay as a coach. he's not too dissimilar from Shanahan. the Rams are probably a better run outfit than the Bengals.

But Joe B is the elite quarterback, so he should've won that Super Bowl.
He's the reason Cincinnati got to the SB so he should have won it. No other debate or nuances should be figured in according to a couple posters on here, including you.

Dude, you just stated earlier that Purdy should've hit Aiyuk for a touchdown…
Nothing else mattered on that play to you & another poster, that TD should have been made, but now you come back with The Rams had a really good defense..?? I mean, that has got nothing to do with anything based on a few posts from you and a few others.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Joe B is a better QB than Purdy, however, why didn't Joe B win the SB when he was in it? I think a lot of blame went to their OL.

someone's gotta lose. Joe B can play, so can Stafford. if you recall 2021, the Rams had elite D and Kupp was a triple crown winner, and they had McVay. If I am not mistaken, Kevin O'C was with Rams. so Rams had em out coached, better defense, and can match the QB play. i have a lot of respect for McVay as a coach. he's not too dissimilar from Shanahan. the Rams are probably a better run outfit than the Bengals.

But Joe B is the elite quarterback, so he should've won that Super Bowl.
He's the reason Cincinnati got to the SB so he should have won it. No other debate or nuances should be figured in according to a couple posters on here, including you.

Dude, you just stated earlier that Purdy should've hit Aiyuk for a touchdown…
Nothing else mattered on that play to you & another poster, that TD should have been made, but now you come back with The Rams had a really good defense..?? I mean, that has got nothing to do with anything based on a few posts from you and a few others.

going back to 2021 Stafford had a line of near 5k yds, and 41 TDs. i don't view him as worse than Joe B, I think he's better tbh. though now he's older and not as good as he was.

on BP i didn't say brock should throw a TD, my point was brock should put it in the area code of his #1 WR, who is one on one vs a rook mid round draft safety. i even referenced potential for PI, meaning no TD, but yards.

the Rams undoubtedly had a good D in 2021, between Donald, Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey. i think the quote about the D is Rex Ryan saying that his wife could have coordinated that defense. the point on OL is the purdy play was blocked up, clean pocket.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Joe B is a better QB than Purdy, however, why didn't Joe B win the SB when he was in it? I think a lot of blame went to their OL.

someone's gotta lose. Joe B can play, so can Stafford. if you recall 2021, the Rams had elite D and Kupp was a triple crown winner, and they had McVay. If I am not mistaken, Kevin O'C was with Rams. so Rams had em out coached, better defense, and can match the QB play. i have a lot of respect for McVay as a coach. he's not too dissimilar from Shanahan. the Rams are probably a better run outfit than the Bengals.

But Joe B is the elite quarterback, so he should've won that Super Bowl.
He's the reason Cincinnati got to the SB so he should have won it. No other debate or nuances should be figured in according to a couple posters on here, including you.

Dude, you just stated earlier that Purdy should've hit Aiyuk for a touchdown…
Nothing else mattered on that play to you & another poster, that TD should have been made, but now you come back with The Rams had a really good defense..?? I mean, that has got nothing to do with anything based on a few posts from you and a few others.

going back to 2021 Stafford had a line of near 5k yds, and 41 TDs. i don't view him as worse than Joe B, I think he's better tbh. though now he's older and not as good as he was.

on BP i didn't say brock should throw a TD, my point was brock should put it in the area code of his #1 WR, who is one on one vs a rook mid round draft safety. i even referenced potential for PI, meaning no TD, but yards.

the Rams undoubtedly had a good D in 2021, between Donald, Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey. i think the quote about the D is Rex Ryan saying that his wife could have coordinated that defense. the point on OL is the purdy play was blocked up, clean pocket.

Lord, even after seeing the all-22 screengrab of the safety in literal perfect position at the time of the throw, you still hold on to your argument. Brock threw the ball out of harm's way on a play that ended up looking a lot different than it did when he had to make the choice.

Jimmy G missed his throw when there was no one over the top. Pesky contextual details, huh?