49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You know I love you bro but this is thin. They simply
dgaf about o line and it's costing them.

Obviously purely opinion as always but what do you expect this year?

Again, I view it in the same vein as if Kobe Bryant s**t the bed in game 7 of the championship, but Luke Walton missed a game winning 3…I'm not blaming Walton for the loss. They got there because of Kobe and their star players. Not because of Walton.

This team lives and dies based off their star players and play makers…not their elite level OL. Good bad that's how this team is built and where the cash/picks go. I would have said the same thing if they invested heavily in the OL and they just s**t the bed in the SB. I would be blaming the OL. Truth is they never got to where they were based on the OL. Our star guys show up at the most important moments, no one is talking about the OL.

as far as this yr goes…we got younger, so I expect growing pains, but they have the easiest schedule in football. Brock is gonna have to do more than he's ever done and if he's up to the challenge, they will be in the thick of it. Still a ton of talent on this team.

I agree, but when we face good teams and good defensive lines I think the offense will struggle because the line.

Originally posted by Chance:
Lord, even after seeing the all-22 screengrab of the safety in literal perfect position at the time of the throw, you still hold on to your argument. Brock threw the ball out of harm's way on a play that ended up looking a lot different than it did when he had to make the choice.

Jimmy G missed his throw when there was no one over the top. Pesky contextual details, huh?

What it all comes back to.

He'd rather have Daniel Jones.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Chance:
Lord, even after seeing the all-22 screengrab of the safety in literal perfect position at the time of the throw, you still hold on to your argument. Brock threw the ball out of harm's way on a play that ended up looking a lot different than it did when he had to make the choice.

Jimmy G missed his throw when there was no one over the top. Pesky contextual details, huh?

What it all comes back to.

He'd rather have Daniel Jones.

10:34 for the recently debated play.

Briefly looked for more breakdowns but came up empty.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:


10:34 for the recently debated play.

Briefly looked for more breakdowns but came up empty.

JTO doesn't even touch the fact that when the decision to throw was made, the safety was over top and there wasn't a person open. It wasn't until well after the ball was released, that the safety bit down and Aiyuk opened up. So are we really advocating that Purdy throw a ball to a guy that had a safety (seemingly) in position to make a play on the ball?

Please explain what Purdy was supposed to do on this play instead?

Originally posted by Chance:
JTO doesn't even touch the fact that when the decision to throw was made, the safety was over top and there wasn't a person open. It wasn't until well after the ball was released, that the safety bit down and Aiyuk opened up. So are we really advocating that Purdy throw a ball to a guy that had a safety (seemingly) in position to make a play on the ball?

Please explain what Purdy was supposed to do on this play instead?

I'm confused by this considering this is what Purdy did. Are you saying it's a bad decision?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Chance:
JTO doesn't even touch the fact that when the decision to throw was made, the safety was over top and there wasn't a person open. It wasn't until well after the ball was released, that the safety bit down and Aiyuk opened up. So are we really advocating that Purdy throw a ball to a guy that had a safety (seemingly) in position to make a play on the ball?

Please explain what Purdy was supposed to do on this play instead?

I'm confused by this considering this is what Purdy did. Are you saying it's a bad decision?

Seems a throw-away to me.

Had the safety bit down earlier, maybe Purdy throws a ball on target? That would be my guess since the ball he ends up throwing is to the opposite shoulder of the safety, to a spot no one can get to.

Hard to know without living in Purdy's head, but if you go frame by frame, I'm not seeing a safe target by the time Purdy releases the ball.

Originally posted by Chance:
Seems a throw-away to me.

Had the safety bit down earlier, maybe Purdy throws a ball on target? That would be my guess since the ball he ends up throwing is to the opposite shoulder of the safety, to a spot no one can get to.

Hard to know without living in Purdy's head, but if you go frame by frame, I'm not seeing a safe target by the time Purdy releases the ball.

I don't think it's a throwaway. I wouldn't rule out the possibility it was, but it looked like the throw got away from him because his footwork was bad.

Seemed like the intent was to get the ball into the seam (where Aiyuk first looked for the ball) and Brock reset and airmailed what became a go route.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Chance:
Seems a throw-away to me.

Had the safety bit down earlier, maybe Purdy throws a ball on target? That would be my guess since the ball he ends up throwing is to the opposite shoulder of the safety, to a spot no one can get to.

Hard to know without living in Purdy's head, but if you go frame by frame, I'm not seeing a safe target by the time Purdy releases the ball.

I don't think it's a throwaway. I wouldn't rule out the possibility it was, but it looked like the throw got away from him because his footwork was bad.

Seemed like the intent was to get the ball into the seam (where Aiyuk first looked for the ball) and Brock reset and airmailed what became a go route.

Bad footwork for sure. But he regains his base before throwing, so I'm not so sure it was an accidental air-mail.

It's probably a bit of a Rorschach test to be honest and folks are going to see whatever confirms their existing bias since both possibilities seem reasonable explanations. In the end, no one knows but Purdy and the coaches.

Purdy threw a perfect ball, Oline could've protected him better.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I agree, but when we face good teams and good defensive lines I think the offense will struggle because the line.

We have no idea what the line will be like this year. McKivitz took a big step forward last year and this is a contract year, he could be much better. Puni should be better. Bartch, Burford, Nugent ... there is some potential to step forward there.

I think it's clear the 49ers value the OL, but they think they can be successful paying a premium for LT, investing roster and PS space for player development, and basically getting by at the other 4 positions using mid-market free agents or cheap players they develop.

Hopefully Trent W gets fired up about falling in LT's evaluations.

#1: We want to improve our OL until it's the best in the league. Doesn't mean it'll happen all the time, but we'd certainly like it to be the case.

#2: Granted, these are just NFL Passer Ratings, but not trying to simply seeking who's best and worst with the list below (this is where so many fail with using numbers on here). I'm instead looking for nuance.

This is where our QB ranks in terms of their 2nd halves vs. in comparison to 1st half performance. Stafford for whatever reason had better results on avg for 2nd halves.

As for our team, We have a segment of our fanbase putting the end of these outings squarely at the feet of our OL and nowhere else.


If what posters keep screaming is true...are OLs known to differe this drastically between halves?
Does this simply illustrate that our OL's just not clutch?
Or should we also be hope to see our situational awareness with games on the line improve with our skill players down the stretch?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I agree, but when we face good teams and good defensive lines I think the offense will struggle because the line.

It's not like they don't face good DL throughout the year all the same.

again this isn't me saying I think the OL is in a good spot…I would love for them to put more energy there and develop…but if you invest more there via the draft/FA you will take away from other areas that have lead to them winning a bunch of games.

I think next yr might be the draft they they finally start upgrading there. A center and future OT would change things tremendously.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Chance:
JTO doesn't even touch the fact that when the decision to throw was made, the safety was over top and there wasn't a person open. It wasn't until well after the ball was released, that the safety bit down and Aiyuk opened up. So are we really advocating that Purdy throw a ball to a guy that had a safety (seemingly) in position to make a play on the ball?

Please explain what Purdy was supposed to do on this play instead?

I'm confused by this considering this is what Purdy did. Are you saying it's a bad decision?

After watching that (among other pass plays) it was not the best route from BA. Regardless the play was still there and It was a poorly throw ball from Brock…it's a complete cop out/not understanding football if you're defense on Brock here is, BA isn't wide ass open, so he can't throw the ball better.

how many times has Brock thrown a ball to a WR with a CB near them lol? That's like every Deebo passing attempt…It's the NFL, open is not "open" that's why your QB has to make tight window throws and be accurate.

One thing that JTO brings up in a bunch of Brock's throws is the footwork and the extra hitch. That imo is due to the lack of overall arm strength…that extra hitch kills timing, creates more pressure, makes you late on throws and makes you less accurate.

The pass play calls weren't great, Deebo might as well be a RB vs teams that play man, and Brock overall wasn't as clean/confident in his reads/throws and mechanics this game. All of it played into not doing well on offense.