49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Yeah the backups were rough out there. They were rough on the broncos too so there seems to be a lack of quality OL throughout the league

I think this is why having a QB with escapability talent is crucial. Not going to just sit back there and do what you want like what Aikman was able to do in the 90s.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ritz126:
you know whats funny i was browsin through a lot of fan forums winners and losers list

I don't think I found a single team that was happy with their 2nd team OL

There isn't

Makes me wonder wth happened with college since back in the day it seemed you could find/develop good o-lineman fairly easy.

I can't remember which NFL OL player said there hasn't been a drop off in talent per se' but that the new CBA makes it nearly impossible to develop them properly like they used too. It's very rare to have a Tristan Wirfs' come right in and ball. And with complicated systems, it's even harder to 'see' the talent. More and more OL have to hire private coaches and go to OL Summits to try and keep up with NFL DL and schemes. Look how much Feliciano and Pryor are struggling here after really nice seasons.

I think he's partially correct. I do think more big bodies are more attracted to the defensive side of the ball. And most teams will take a top DL > OL because it translates much faster to the NFL.

As a result, there's an oversaturation on the defensive side and rarely do developed, high caliber OL hit the market. But there is still talent out there. I don't think many teams are as good at finding them though or have the patience and top coaches to develop them.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Yeah the backups were rough out there. They were rough on the broncos too so there seems to be a lack of quality OL throughout the league

I think this is why having a QB with escapability talent is crucial. Not going to just sit back there and do what you want like what Aikman was able to do in the 90s.

Yeah, if you have more of a classic pocket passer, you absolutely need a tier 1 OL and unit PP. There's no way around it if the goal is to win a Superbowl.

If you've got a more mobile QB, you can at least design moving OL, PA, roll outs, boots, etc. to help out a next-tier OL.

How much can a mobile QB help? As we've seen with Russell Wilson and many others (63 sacks last year), only so much. I don't think it's as significant as we'd like to think but it certainly helps.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is what I have and Moore, Feliciano and Pryor have all played like ass. Scary.

LT: Trent Williams; Jaylon Moore
LG: Aaron Banks; Ilm Manning
C: Jake Brendel
RG: Spencer Burford; Jon Feliciano
RT: Colton McKivitz; Matt Pryor

Watson and Manning need to make it over Moore. He hasn't improved much from his first season. Honestly though, I'm hoping we can find someone decent off of waivers after cut day or maybe even trade a 6th-7th to grab a small upgrade.

I really don't know what to do here. Or if it matters. And it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Foerster doesn't retain Manning either. He's big on prototypical size (in the end).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is what I have and Moore, Feliciano and Pryor have all played like ass. Scary.

LT: Trent Williams; Jaylon Moore
LG: Aaron Banks; Ilm Manning
C: Jake Brendel
RG: Spencer Burford; Jon Feliciano
RT: Colton McKivitz; Matt Pryor

I'm hoping they get better as the season goes on. It's good that you think Colton is a serviceable right guard this season. I hope he keeps playing like it.

Again, Durability is key. Even if they have Tom Compton-level talent, if they stay durable, healthy, and play -- they can get better over time because of the reps with each other and the reflexes honed with the increase in playing time. They can more easily pick up those stunts and do more difficult combo blocks. Colton, if he stays healthy, could be at Jake Brendel's level by the end of the season, we shall see.

Yeah, we'll just have to see how it goes. Week 1 is going to be a monster test in unit PP.

Agree, Mike Tomlin and the Blitzburg defense.

But if you look at it positively, if the OLine does halfway decent in that game and stay healthy, that bodes well for the rest of the season. I'm not really worried about the starters talents, as I am worried about their durability. Compton and Brunskill were durable and were able to get 2nd/3rd contracts on other teams because they developed well here under Foerster. I think the OLine depth will also develop like how Brunskill and Compton developed. Moore, Manning, Feliciano and Pryor - I think are at Tom Compton's level or a bit higher in talent, and hopefully they develop as the season wears on. I think one of the reasons the offense had so much problems last year was the lack of durability on McGlinchy's right side. I think too much pressure was coming from that side until McGlinchy was 💯% healthy.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Yeah the backups were rough out there. They were rough on the broncos too so there seems to be a lack of quality OL throughout the league

I think this is why having a QB with escapability talent is crucial. Not going to just sit back there and do what you want like what Aikman was able to do in the 90s.

Yeah, if you have more of a classic pocket passer, you absolutely need a tier 1 OL and unit PP. There's no way around it if the goal is to win a Superbowl.

If you've got a more mobile QB, you can at least design moving OL, PA, roll outs, boots, etc. to help out a next-tier OL.

How much can a mobile QB help? As we've seen with Russell Wilson and many others (63 sacks last year), only so much. I don't think it's as significant as we'd like to think but it certainly helps.

Ah that makes sense. Damn unions. I wonder if players dont complain about lack of development within their own organizations etc?

Thank you for the insight.

Trent Williams is may turn too old soon. We need draft the top OL and need build to help for us. Look at Chiefs had great OL and protect to Mahomes.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is what I have and Moore, Feliciano and Pryor have all played like ass. Scary.

LT: Trent Williams; Jaylon Moore
LG: Aaron Banks; Ilm Manning
C: Jake Brendel
RG: Spencer Burford; Jon Feliciano
RT: Colton McKivitz; Matt Pryor

I'm hoping they get better as the season goes on. It's good that you think Colton is a serviceable right guard this season. I hope he keeps playing like it.

Again, Durability is key. Even if they have Tom Compton-level talent, if they stay durable, healthy, and play -- they can get better over time because of the reps with each other and the reflexes honed with the increase in playing time. They can more easily pick up those stunts and do more difficult combo blocks. Colton, if he stays healthy, could be at Jake Brendel's level by the end of the season, we shall see.

Yeah, we'll just have to see how it goes. Week 1 is going to be a monster test in unit PP.

Agree, Mike Tomlin and the Blitzburg defense.

But if you look at it positively, if the OLine does halfway decent in that game and stay healthy, that bodes well for the rest of the season. I'm not really worried about the starters talents, as I am worried about their durability. Compton and Brunskill were durable and were able to get 2nd/3rd contracts on other teams because they developed well here under Foerster. I think the OLine depth will also develop like how Brunskill and Compton developed. Moore, Manning, Feliciano and Pryor - I think are at Tom Compton's level or a bit higher in talent, and hopefully they develop as the season wears on. I think one of the reasons the offense had so much problems last year was the lack of durability on McGlinchy's right side. I think too much pressure was coming from that side until McGlinchy was 💯% healthy.

I just caught up on my podcast with Barrows and Lombardi and they both confirmed that McKivitz got "gobbled up" by the Raiders esp. against Chandler Jones. They felt going up against our own Drake and Clelin, he wasn't prepared. When they just bull rushed, he did OK but if they spun or had any technical skills, he was meat. And his first assignment is TJ Watt. So naturally he and the non-OL PP is a concern. I still have (mental) concerns about Burford as well with stunts and inside blitzers like LB's and S's.

That said, I'm super excited to see the growth right out of the gate. If they can do well against blitzburgh, that's going to be huge going forward b/c we'll be dealing with Dallas, Philly, etc. en route to the Superbowl. They need to get battle-tested.

Another note, both believe we have an excess of quality players at QB, TE, DL, LB and PK. They believe they may be able to parlay a trade for another T.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Ah that makes sense. Damn unions. I wonder if players dont complain about lack of development within their own organizations etc?

Thank you for the insight.

For real. There's good and bad with it, no doubt.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is what I have and Moore, Feliciano and Pryor have all played like ass. Scary.

LT: Trent Williams; Jaylon Moore
LG: Aaron Banks; Ilm Manning
C: Jake Brendel
RG: Spencer Burford; Jon Feliciano
RT: Colton McKivitz; Matt Pryor

I'm hoping they get better as the season goes on. It's good that you think Colton is a serviceable right guard this season. I hope he keeps playing like it.

Again, Durability is key. Even if they have Tom Compton-level talent, if they stay durable, healthy, and play -- they can get better over time because of the reps with each other and the reflexes honed with the increase in playing time. They can more easily pick up those stunts and do more difficult combo blocks. Colton, if he stays healthy, could be at Jake Brendel's level by the end of the season, we shall see.

Yeah, we'll just have to see how it goes. Week 1 is going to be a monster test in unit PP.

Agree, Mike Tomlin and the Blitzburg defense.

But if you look at it positively, if the OLine does halfway decent in that game and stay healthy, that bodes well for the rest of the season. I'm not really worried about the starters talents, as I am worried about their durability. Compton and Brunskill were durable and were able to get 2nd/3rd contracts on other teams because they developed well here under Foerster. I think the OLine depth will also develop like how Brunskill and Compton developed. Moore, Manning, Feliciano and Pryor - I think are at Tom Compton's level or a bit higher in talent, and hopefully they develop as the season wears on. I think one of the reasons the offense had so much problems last year was the lack of durability on McGlinchy's right side. I think too much pressure was coming from that side until McGlinchy was 💯% healthy.

I just caught up on my podcast with Barrows and Lombardi and they both confirmed that McKivitz got "gobbled up" by the Raiders esp. against Chandler Jones. They felt going up against our own Drake and Clelin, he wasn't prepared. When they just bull rushed, he did OK but if they spun or had any technical skills, he was meat. And his first assignment is TJ Watt. So naturally he and the non-OL PP is a concern. I still have (mental) concerns about Burford as well with stunts and inside blitzers like LB's and S's.

That said, I'm super excited to see the growth right out of the gate. If they can do well against blitzburgh, that's going to be huge going forward b/c we'll be dealing with Dallas, Philly, etc. en route to the Superbowl. They need to get battle-tested.

Another note, both believe we have an excess of quality players at QB, TE, DL, LB and PK. They believe they may be able to parlay a trade for another T.

McKivitz plays on the right side, not the left. With Trent, Brock's left side will be solid. McKivitz giving up pass protection on the right side is a concern, but with Brock's peripheral vision - he is somewhat protected by being able to see it before he gets hit and protect himself or flee the pocket. McKivitz did well against the Rams top Superbowl DLine previously and once Bosa comes back, he'll be able to prepare better with Bosa sharpening him up. I'm not yet concerned about McKivitz, but we shall see after the Blitzburg Steeler game.

Burford and the Interior line will begin to get better picking up those combo stunts and dogs as they play more games together. Training camp kind of mixes and matches the OLine together and it's hard to get any continuity in any of the preseason games and hence you can see the mental errors during the game, so not too worried about it yet. Again, I want to see where the entire offense is after the first regular season game. Keep in mind, precision and timing passing attacks like Kyle's take a while to round into shape, and I'd say (if everybody on offense stay healthy) the offense (and the OLIne) should be rounding into shape by the 3rd or 4th game.

I don't know if they can inject anybody off the 53 man cutdown day to help the starting OLIne talent. As for OLine trades, other than a Rashaul Slater/Trent Williams kind of level talent deal, I don't see any OLine trades significantly upgrading the starting OLIne. I can see them trading for good OLIne depth, but again, it would be Tom Compton level talent to add to the depth. I'd rather give the chance to a Fisher or a Manning (raw but talented rookies/2nd year players) than a Trade. Brendel was a raw talent that did well last year when given the chance, I'm hoping to see that from the Poe's and the Mannings on the current roster.

For some good news after the Trey Lance thing seemed to put a damper on the situation, Foerster gave another ringing endorsement to McKivitz, said he's everything they could've hoped for.

Originally posted by ninerjok:
For some good news after the Trey Lance thing seemed to put a damper on the situation, Foerster gave another ringing endorsement to McKivitz, said he's everything they could've hoped for.

Interesting. We'll find out week 1 for sure. Hope he's not back on the white dust!

with all the hand ringing over QBs the O line is the real worry for me.

Originally posted by Crown:
with all the hand ringing over QBs the O line is the real worry for me.

Every time we mention it we are thrown stats about how good they were last year. I trust my eyes on game day lol

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
For some good news after the Trey Lance thing seemed to put a damper on the situation, Foerster gave another ringing endorsement to McKivitz, said he's everything they could've hoped for.

Interesting. We'll find out week 1 for sure. Hope he's not back on the white dust!

Agree 💯%, that line better do a much better job than last year to protect B🐔B. No more broken ribs! No more arm injuries! If Foerster stays off the stimulating chalk dust, I think he'll be a great OLine coach. Hope hope!