49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Going from an elite Lane Johnson to Jack Driscoll is a far bigger drop off from Mike McGlinchey to Tom Compton or Colton McKivitz. In fact, there was a stretch where both Tom Compton and Colton McKivitz played better.

The goal should be to obtain the best OL possible. They did that. We have not.

I agree that it's hard to find quality depth and keep developing a pool annually. With the OL, you simply need time to develop 'with' the unit.

And HERE, so much more is asked of our OL too. Couple in the injury history here, it's more than fair to be concerned about the depth. In fact, its refreshing fans are even looking at the depth. They've come a long ways in here. LOL

I seem to recall the Eagles taking 2 d lineman in the first this season. Is that trying to get the best OL possible?

Ehh...

I've always felt our problem with the OL wasn't the lack resources or draft capitol we did or didn't use... the issue was the players we selected.

Other than Burford and getting TW (incredible value), I'd argue we have struggled to get value out of our picks.

According to PFF, Banks wasn't a top 32 G last year, and this was his breakout year.

MM was drafted in the first, and while he graded out well in run blocking, I'd argue his pass blocking was nowhere near acceptable to his draft selection.

And we just paid Brendel, who's extremely average to me.

If we added just one more elite C, G or RT here right now, the entire unit would move into an ideal spot for Brock, Kyle and all the playmakers ready to go for #6.

Adding 3 elite players, so easy a caveman can do it

We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent

Also, there aren't elite OL available annually, but we still add OL every year. Elite players are not a dime a dozen

They certainly try.

They try as much with OL

stop pretending adding elite players is easy and cheap.

LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

This proves nothing and not sure what it even means towards adding elite players easily and cheap

Ummmm.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Going from an elite Lane Johnson to Jack Driscoll is a far bigger drop off from Mike McGlinchey to Tom Compton or Colton McKivitz. In fact, there was a stretch where both Tom Compton and Colton McKivitz played better.

The goal should be to obtain the best OL possible. They did that. We have not.

I agree that it's hard to find quality depth and keep developing a pool annually. With the OL, you simply need time to develop 'with' the unit.

And HERE, so much more is asked of our OL too. Couple in the injury history here, it's more than fair to be concerned about the depth. In fact, its refreshing fans are even looking at the depth. They've come a long ways in here. LOL

I seem to recall the Eagles taking 2 d lineman in the first this season. Is that trying to get the best OL possible?

Ehh...

I've always felt our problem with the OL wasn't the lack resources or draft capitol we did or didn't use... the issue was the players we selected.

Other than Burford and getting TW (incredible value), I'd argue we have struggled to get value out of our picks.

According to PFF, Banks wasn't a top 32 G last year, and this was his breakout year.

MM was drafted in the first, and while he graded out well in run blocking, I'd argue his pass blocking was nowhere near acceptable to his draft selection.

And we just paid Brendel, who's extremely average to me.

If we added just one more elite C, G or RT here right now, the entire unit would move into an ideal spot for Brock, Kyle and all the playmakers ready to go for #6.

Adding 3 elite players, so easy a caveman can do it

We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent

Also, there aren't elite OL available annually, but we still add OL every year. Elite players are not a dime a dozen

They certainly try.

They try as much with OL

stop pretending adding elite players is easy and cheap.

LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

This proves nothing and not sure what it even means towards adding elite players easily and cheap

Ummmm.

Paid is an indication of what.. i can post the same and add OL initials.

would be nice if you can give more context on how easy and cheap adding multiple elite players every year is instead of just stating the obvious.. which in the game of football, it is really hard to accomplish

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Going from an elite Lane Johnson to Jack Driscoll is a far bigger drop off from Mike McGlinchey to Tom Compton or Colton McKivitz. In fact, there was a stretch where both Tom Compton and Colton McKivitz played better.

The goal should be to obtain the best OL possible. They did that. We have not.

I agree that it's hard to find quality depth and keep developing a pool annually. With the OL, you simply need time to develop 'with' the unit.

And HERE, so much more is asked of our OL too. Couple in the injury history here, it's more than fair to be concerned about the depth. In fact, its refreshing fans are even looking at the depth. They've come a long ways in here. LOL

I seem to recall the Eagles taking 2 d lineman in the first this season. Is that trying to get the best OL possible?

Ehh...

I've always felt our problem with the OL wasn't the lack resources or draft capitol we did or didn't use... the issue was the players we selected.

Other than Burford and getting TW (incredible value), I'd argue we have struggled to get value out of our picks.

According to PFF, Banks wasn't a top 32 G last year, and this was his breakout year.

MM was drafted in the first, and while he graded out well in run blocking, I'd argue his pass blocking was nowhere near acceptable to his draft selection.

And we just paid Brendel, who's extremely average to me.

If we added just one more elite C, G or RT here right now, the entire unit would move into an ideal spot for Brock, Kyle and all the playmakers ready to go for #6.

Adding 3 elite players, so easy a caveman can do it

We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent

Also, there aren't elite OL available annually, but we still add OL every year. Elite players are not a dime a dozen

They certainly try.

They try as much with OL

stop pretending adding elite players is easy and cheap.

LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

This proves nothing and not sure what it even means towards adding elite players easily and cheap

Ummmm.

Paid is an indication of what.. i can post the same and add OL initials.

would be nice if you can give more context on how easy and cheap adding multiple elite players every year is instead of just stating the obvious.. which in the game of football, it is really hard to accomplish

You literally said:

We don't add elite DL annually

That's a Moon-level take.

If there is one proven thing this FO does do, is try to add (and retain) as many elite DL (and pays them) as possible.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Manning gets some good mentions from Foerster

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/170860-transcript-chris-foerster-talks-o-line-ahead-49ers-broncos-preseason/

Hope he is a diamond in the rough. I remember Sapaulu looking a bit like Manning when he played center. Hope we see more of him in the Denver game. We need depth at the OLine to protect the franchise's Purdy Big 🐔 .

Good call!

Derrick Deese was another tough-as-nails guy who showed up like Jesse too.

Randy Cross, Ayers, Farnhorst etc.. we've had some great OLinemen on those Dynasty years. Guy MacKintyre was another one. All of them athletic, all of them very durable. Personally, between Durability and Talent, I think I'd take durability over talent. Having said that, I do want talent on that OLIne. Specifically, agility, quickness and a good mind -- not necessarily a guy with overpowering strength like Trent Williams, although I'd love to have 8 Trent Williams on our team.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

Good offensive lineman outside of qbs are probably the rarest to come by of any position. To be fair I feel like we have put investments into the OL throughout the years. We got Trent Williams, Alex Mack, Weston Richburg, Laken Tomlinson, drafted McGlinchey and a few mid rounders too.

Too bad we couldn't get all those guys healthy in their prime playing together at the same time!

Well, all of Foerster's guys were pretty durable last year. Hope it continues. McGlinchy being the lone Benton pick/trainee. I think.

That is certainly a silver lining. Let's hope that continues.

Well, if it DOES continue, I hope they can port that durability coaching to all the other positions, including QB. If my gut is right, and Foerster is the next McKittrick - I'd like to give Foerster some talent, and not have him scrounge around for table scraps. Although, Poe, Fisher and Manning look good on occasion though. Hope they can continue finding some diamonds in the rough and the opportunity to develop them. Head Coaches with OLIne backgrounds - like John Madden and Bill Bellichick (Reid) - know the value of the OLine and *win* accordingly.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

I think it could be an indicator of the assistant coach's approach. I know Foerster has said in football clinic's in the past that he'd rather have journeymen or bench warmers with a nasty and never say die attitude than physically talented players that have the ability to take an occasional break mentally. Kocurek wants talent and bugged ShanaLynch every day about drafting Bosa during the 2019 draft.

They didn't draft an OLineman this draft cycle because they said the ones they liked were all drafted before they got a chance. I only half believe that. Burford was a 4th rounder and Zakelj was a 6th rounder, and so I wonder if they just decided to hope Trent doesn't retire and wait for the 2024 draft cycle when they get their 1st round pick back.

They have four picks in the first three rounds next year - my hope is 1st round pick, DLineman - 2nd round pick, OLineman - 3rd round pick, OLineman - (2nd) 3rd round pick - Defensive Back. (P.S. maybe a shot at another QB in the 7th round pick )

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Going from an elite Lane Johnson to Jack Driscoll is a far bigger drop off from Mike McGlinchey to Tom Compton or Colton McKivitz. In fact, there was a stretch where both Tom Compton and Colton McKivitz played better.

The goal should be to obtain the best OL possible. They did that. We have not.

I agree that it's hard to find quality depth and keep developing a pool annually. With the OL, you simply need time to develop 'with' the unit.

And HERE, so much more is asked of our OL too. Couple in the injury history here, it's more than fair to be concerned about the depth. In fact, its refreshing fans are even looking at the depth. They've come a long ways in here. LOL

I seem to recall the Eagles taking 2 d lineman in the first this season. Is that trying to get the best OL possible?

Ehh...

I've always felt our problem with the OL wasn't the lack resources or draft capitol we did or didn't use... the issue was the players we selected.

Other than Burford and getting TW (incredible value), I'd argue we have struggled to get value out of our picks.

According to PFF, Banks wasn't a top 32 G last year, and this was his breakout year.

MM was drafted in the first, and while he graded out well in run blocking, I'd argue his pass blocking was nowhere near acceptable to his draft selection.

And we just paid Brendel, who's extremely average to me.

If we added just one more elite C, G or RT here right now, the entire unit would move into an ideal spot for Brock, Kyle and all the playmakers ready to go for #6.

Adding 3 elite players, so easy a caveman can do it

We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent

Also, there aren't elite OL available annually, but we still add OL every year. Elite players are not a dime a dozen

They certainly try.

They try as much with OL

stop pretending adding elite players is easy and cheap.

LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

This proves nothing and not sure what it even means towards adding elite players easily and cheap

Ummmm.

Paid is an indication of what.. i can post the same and add OL initials.

would be nice if you can give more context on how easy and cheap adding multiple elite players every year is instead of just stating the obvious.. which in the game of football, it is really hard to accomplish

You literally said:

We don't add elite DL annually

That's a Moon-level take.

If there is one proven thing this FO does do, is try to add (and retain) as many elite DL (and pays them) as possible.

so you got nothing as usual, no context, no examples, no players listed.. just BS

and you forgot to add the entire quote "We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent"

But i don't expect you to really have anything to say on my original question, as you won't be able to.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

I think it could be an indicator of the assistant coach's approach. I know Foerster has said in football clinic's in the past that he'd rather have journeymen or bench warmers with a nasty and never say die attitude than physically talented players that have the ability to take an occasional break mentally. Kocurek wants talent and bugged ShanaLynch every day about drafting Bosa during the 2019 draft.

They didn't draft an OLineman this draft cycle because they said the ones they liked were all drafted before they got a chance. I only half believe that. Burford was a 4th rounder and Zakelj was a 6th rounder, and so I wonder if they just decided to hope Trent doesn't retire and wait for the 2024 draft cycle when they get their 1st round pick back.

They have four picks in the first three rounds next year - my hope is 1st round pick, DLineman - 2nd round pick, OLineman - 3rd round pick, OLineman - (2nd) 3rd round pick - Defensive Back. (P.S. maybe a shot at another QB in the 7th round pick )

How dare you!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Going from an elite Lane Johnson to Jack Driscoll is a far bigger drop off from Mike McGlinchey to Tom Compton or Colton McKivitz. In fact, there was a stretch where both Tom Compton and Colton McKivitz played better.

The goal should be to obtain the best OL possible. They did that. We have not.

I agree that it's hard to find quality depth and keep developing a pool annually. With the OL, you simply need time to develop 'with' the unit.

And HERE, so much more is asked of our OL too. Couple in the injury history here, it's more than fair to be concerned about the depth. In fact, its refreshing fans are even looking at the depth. They've come a long ways in here. LOL

I seem to recall the Eagles taking 2 d lineman in the first this season. Is that trying to get the best OL possible?

Ehh...

I've always felt our problem with the OL wasn't the lack resources or draft capitol we did or didn't use... the issue was the players we selected.

Other than Burford and getting TW (incredible value), I'd argue we have struggled to get value out of our picks.

According to PFF, Banks wasn't a top 32 G last year, and this was his breakout year.

MM was drafted in the first, and while he graded out well in run blocking, I'd argue his pass blocking was nowhere near acceptable to his draft selection.

And we just paid Brendel, who's extremely average to me.

If we added just one more elite C, G or RT here right now, the entire unit would move into an ideal spot for Brock, Kyle and all the playmakers ready to go for #6.

Adding 3 elite players, so easy a caveman can do it

We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent

Also, there aren't elite OL available annually, but we still add OL every year. Elite players are not a dime a dozen

They certainly try.

They try as much with OL

stop pretending adding elite players is easy and cheap.

LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

This proves nothing and not sure what it even means towards adding elite players easily and cheap

Ummmm.

Paid is an indication of what.. i can post the same and add OL initials.

would be nice if you can give more context on how easy and cheap adding multiple elite players every year is instead of just stating the obvious.. which in the game of football, it is really hard to accomplish

You literally said:

We don't add elite DL annually

That's a Moon-level take.

If there is one proven thing this FO does do, is try to add (and retain) as many elite DL (and pays them) as possible.

so you got nothing as usual, no context, no examples, no players listed.. just BS

and you forgot to add the entire quote "We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent"

But i don't expect you to really have anything to say on my original question, as you won't be able to.

You're right! We don't just try to add elite DL talent annually, "But wait, there's more!"

They also add annual former 1st round picks and a whole array of other DL all the way through UDFA's and usually keep 10-11 on the roster with several more on the PS!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Going from an elite Lane Johnson to Jack Driscoll is a far bigger drop off from Mike McGlinchey to Tom Compton or Colton McKivitz. In fact, there was a stretch where both Tom Compton and Colton McKivitz played better.

The goal should be to obtain the best OL possible. They did that. We have not.

I agree that it's hard to find quality depth and keep developing a pool annually. With the OL, you simply need time to develop 'with' the unit.

And HERE, so much more is asked of our OL too. Couple in the injury history here, it's more than fair to be concerned about the depth. In fact, its refreshing fans are even looking at the depth. They've come a long ways in here. LOL

I seem to recall the Eagles taking 2 d lineman in the first this season. Is that trying to get the best OL possible?

Ehh...

I've always felt our problem with the OL wasn't the lack resources or draft capitol we did or didn't use... the issue was the players we selected.

Other than Burford and getting TW (incredible value), I'd argue we have struggled to get value out of our picks.

According to PFF, Banks wasn't a top 32 G last year, and this was his breakout year.

MM was drafted in the first, and while he graded out well in run blocking, I'd argue his pass blocking was nowhere near acceptable to his draft selection.

And we just paid Brendel, who's extremely average to me.

If we added just one more elite C, G or RT here right now, the entire unit would move into an ideal spot for Brock, Kyle and all the playmakers ready to go for #6.

Adding 3 elite players, so easy a caveman can do it

We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent

Also, there aren't elite OL available annually, but we still add OL every year. Elite players are not a dime a dozen

They certainly try.

They try as much with OL

stop pretending adding elite players is easy and cheap.

LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

This proves nothing and not sure what it even means towards adding elite players easily and cheap

Ummmm.

Paid is an indication of what.. i can post the same and add OL initials.

would be nice if you can give more context on how easy and cheap adding multiple elite players every year is instead of just stating the obvious.. which in the game of football, it is really hard to accomplish

You literally said:

We don't add elite DL annually

That's a Moon-level take.

If there is one proven thing this FO does do, is try to add (and retain) as many elite DL (and pays them) as possible.

so you got nothing as usual, no context, no examples, no players listed.. just BS

and you forgot to add the entire quote "We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent"

But i don't expect you to really have anything to say on my original question, as you won't be able to.

You're right! We don't just try to add elite DL talent annually, "But wait, there's more!"

They also add annual former 1st round picks and a whole array of other DL all the way through UDFA's and usually keep 10-11 on the roster with several more on the PS!

yup you got nothing.. lol good ol NC spin spin spin

We do add DL and OL every year.. but i won't over exaggerate one side nor make it as if adding true elite players as simple as just doing it with no thought

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

I think it could be an indicator of the assistant coach's approach. I know Foerster has said in football clinic's in the past that he'd rather have journeymen or bench warmers with a nasty and never say die attitude than physically talented players that have the ability to take an occasional break mentally. Kocurek wants talent and bugged ShanaLynch every day about drafting Bosa during the 2019 draft.

They didn't draft an OLineman this draft cycle because they said the ones they liked were all drafted before they got a chance. I only half believe that. Burford was a 4th rounder and Zakelj was a 6th rounder, and so I wonder if they just decided to hope Trent doesn't retire and wait for the 2024 draft cycle when they get their 1st round pick back.

They have four picks in the first three rounds next year - my hope is 1st round pick, DLineman - 2nd round pick, OLineman - 3rd round pick, OLineman - (2nd) 3rd round pick - Defensive Back. (P.S. maybe a shot at another QB in the 7th round pick )

How dare you!

Agree! For Trent's replacement lets reverse that and go 1st round pick - Trent William's replacement, 2nd round pick - Kocureck annual DLineman/DE pick, and the first 3rd round pick, another OLIneman, for the second 3rd round pick - a quality Defensive back.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Going from an elite Lane Johnson to Jack Driscoll is a far bigger drop off from Mike McGlinchey to Tom Compton or Colton McKivitz. In fact, there was a stretch where both Tom Compton and Colton McKivitz played better.

The goal should be to obtain the best OL possible. They did that. We have not.

I agree that it's hard to find quality depth and keep developing a pool annually. With the OL, you simply need time to develop 'with' the unit.

And HERE, so much more is asked of our OL too. Couple in the injury history here, it's more than fair to be concerned about the depth. In fact, its refreshing fans are even looking at the depth. They've come a long ways in here. LOL

I seem to recall the Eagles taking 2 d lineman in the first this season. Is that trying to get the best OL possible?

Ehh...

I've always felt our problem with the OL wasn't the lack resources or draft capitol we did or didn't use... the issue was the players we selected.

Other than Burford and getting TW (incredible value), I'd argue we have struggled to get value out of our picks.

According to PFF, Banks wasn't a top 32 G last year, and this was his breakout year.

MM was drafted in the first, and while he graded out well in run blocking, I'd argue his pass blocking was nowhere near acceptable to his draft selection.

And we just paid Brendel, who's extremely average to me.

If we added just one more elite C, G or RT here right now, the entire unit would move into an ideal spot for Brock, Kyle and all the playmakers ready to go for #6.

Adding 3 elite players, so easy a caveman can do it

We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent

Also, there aren't elite OL available annually, but we still add OL every year. Elite players are not a dime a dozen

They certainly try.

They try as much with OL

stop pretending adding elite players is easy and cheap.

LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

This proves nothing and not sure what it even means towards adding elite players easily and cheap

Ummmm.

Paid is an indication of what.. i can post the same and add OL initials.

would be nice if you can give more context on how easy and cheap adding multiple elite players every year is instead of just stating the obvious.. which in the game of football, it is really hard to accomplish

You literally said:

We don't add elite DL annually

That's a Moon-level take.

If there is one proven thing this FO does do, is try to add (and retain) as many elite DL (and pays them) as possible.

so you got nothing as usual, no context, no examples, no players listed.. just BS

and you forgot to add the entire quote "We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent"

But i don't expect you to really have anything to say on my original question, as you won't be able to.

You're right! We don't just try to add elite DL talent annually, "But wait, there's more!"

They also add annual former 1st round picks and a whole array of other DL all the way through UDFA's and usually keep 10-11 on the roster with several more on the PS!

yup you got nothing.. lol good ol NC spin spin spin

We do add DL and OL every year.. but i won't over exaggerate one side nor make it as if adding true elite players as simple as just doing it with no thought

Haha. It's OK All.

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Originally posted by NCommand:

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LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

I think it could be an indicator of the assistant coach's approach. I know Foerster has said in football clinic's in the past that he'd rather have journeymen or bench warmers with a nasty and never say die attitude than physically talented players that have the ability to take an occasional break mentally. Kocurek wants talent and bugged ShanaLynch every day about drafting Bosa during the 2019 draft.

They didn't draft an OLineman this draft cycle because they said the ones they liked were all drafted before they got a chance. I only half believe that. Burford was a 4th rounder and Zakelj was a 6th rounder, and so I wonder if they just decided to hope Trent doesn't retire and wait for the 2024 draft cycle when they get their 1st round pick back.

They have four picks in the first three rounds next year - my hope is 1st round pick, DLineman - 2nd round pick, OLineman - 3rd round pick, OLineman - (2nd) 3rd round pick - Defensive Back. (P.S. maybe a shot at another QB in the 7th round pick )

How dare you!

Agree! For Trent's replacement lets reverse that and go 1st round pick - Trent William's replacement, 2nd round pick - Kocureck annual DLineman/DE pick, and the first 3rd round pick, another OLIneman, for the second 3rd round pick - a quality Defensive back.

Haha. You weren't wrong. That is what the FO does. Even when the first pick isn't until the 2nd round.

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

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Going from an elite Lane Johnson to Jack Driscoll is a far bigger drop off from Mike McGlinchey to Tom Compton or Colton McKivitz. In fact, there was a stretch where both Tom Compton and Colton McKivitz played better.

The goal should be to obtain the best OL possible. They did that. We have not.

I agree that it's hard to find quality depth and keep developing a pool annually. With the OL, you simply need time to develop 'with' the unit.

And HERE, so much more is asked of our OL too. Couple in the injury history here, it's more than fair to be concerned about the depth. In fact, its refreshing fans are even looking at the depth. They've come a long ways in here. LOL

I seem to recall the Eagles taking 2 d lineman in the first this season. Is that trying to get the best OL possible?

Ehh...

I've always felt our problem with the OL wasn't the lack resources or draft capitol we did or didn't use... the issue was the players we selected.

Other than Burford and getting TW (incredible value), I'd argue we have struggled to get value out of our picks.

According to PFF, Banks wasn't a top 32 G last year, and this was his breakout year.

MM was drafted in the first, and while he graded out well in run blocking, I'd argue his pass blocking was nowhere near acceptable to his draft selection.

And we just paid Brendel, who's extremely average to me.

If we added just one more elite C, G or RT here right now, the entire unit would move into an ideal spot for Brock, Kyle and all the playmakers ready to go for #6.

Adding 3 elite players, so easy a caveman can do it

We do it on defense annually. It's just a matter where your prioritize things. And yes, that goes for any position. Yes, 9ers4eva, secondary too.

And here, I'm just asking for 2 elite players out of 5. 3 would make this unit elite.

We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent

Also, there aren't elite OL available annually, but we still add OL every year. Elite players are not a dime a dozen

They certainly try.

They try as much with OL

stop pretending adding elite players is easy and cheap.

LMAO.

DB - one of the highest paid (traded)
AA - one of the biggest paid
JH - one of the highest paid
NB - one of the highest paid
DF - one of the highest paid
JK - one of the highest paid (rookies)

I love you man.

This proves nothing and not sure what it even means towards adding elite players easily and cheap

Ummmm.

Paid is an indication of what.. i can post the same and add OL initials.

would be nice if you can give more context on how easy and cheap adding multiple elite players every year is instead of just stating the obvious.. which in the game of football, it is really hard to accomplish

You literally said:

We don't add elite DL annually

That's a Moon-level take.

If there is one proven thing this FO does do, is try to add (and retain) as many elite DL (and pays them) as possible.

so you got nothing as usual, no context, no examples, no players listed.. just BS

and you forgot to add the entire quote "We don't add elite DL annually, we add a wide range of DL talent"

But i don't expect you to really have anything to say on my original question, as you won't be able to.

You're right! We don't just try to add elite DL talent annually, "But wait, there's more!"

They also add annual former 1st round picks and a whole array of other DL all the way through UDFA's and usually keep 10-11 on the roster with several more on the PS!

There's going to be some NFL coaches fired before the Trade deadline this year (or so I predict) and hopefully Shana Lynch can swing a Christian McCaffrey-like trade with a bottom feeder NFL team that replaced their coach -- but with an OLIne talent, instead of a running back talent, like last year. As an example of this, Rashaun Slater was drafted by the Chargers. If the Chargers tank this year, and fire their coach, conceivably we could get Rashaun for a bag of potato chips if the circumstances are right, sort of like how ShanaLynch got CMC for a bag of potato chips and some spinach dip.

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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

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Manning gets some good mentions from Foerster

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/170860-transcript-chris-foerster-talks-o-line-ahead-49ers-broncos-preseason/

Hope he is a diamond in the rough. I remember Sapaulu looking a bit like Manning when he played center. Hope we see more of him in the Denver game. We need depth at the OLine to protect the franchise's Purdy Big 🐔 .

Good call!

Derrick Deese was another tough-as-nails guy who showed up like Jesse too.

Randy Cross, Ayers, Farnhorst etc.. we've had some great OLinemen on those Dynasty years. Guy MacKintyre was another one. All of them athletic, all of them very durable. Personally, between Durability and Talent, I think I'd take durability over talent. Having said that, I do want talent on that OLIne. Specifically, agility, quickness and a good mind -- not necessarily a guy with overpowering strength like Trent Williams, although I'd love to have 8 Trent Williams on our team.

Mckittrick spoiled us.