So does anyone know which type of offense we are going to run?

I'm sure even Jacksonville fans are optimistic about their coming season, but us 9er fans should not be I guess. To make assumptions like this without even seeing even a preseason game is dumb. I like what the 9ers are trying to do, and can't wait to see if it transitions to a playoff birth

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Furlow:
There are many facts that my argument is based on. We fired a successful coach because he wasn't popular with the front office. Our coach "search" wasn't really a search at all, as the candidate had been chosen during the season. Our front office leaked that info during the season to undermine Harbaugh and ensure his demise. The coach that was hired would not have been hired as a head coach of any other NFL team, and was a suspect hire at best. Multiple players retired, during their primes, after all of this occurred. Almost every NFL expert agrees that the 49ers are a mess and will not be successful.

And I'm the one with half a brain?

I will root for the team, I'm a fan of the 49ers. But I'm intelligent enough to call it like it is. You know, like Steve Young did. I suppose you guys think he is "bashing" the team and simply "shrilling?"

i could care less about what steve young thinks the perception of the team is. the only thing that matters is what we have seen and heard so far from the players and coaches themselves and yes, the media that covers them on a daily basis. and based upon all those reports, i am sorry to say we are not a mess. just because you wish it, does not mean it is true. you put so much emphasis on what young says. what is your opinion of the good things the players have said up an down across the board on the new coaches and new changes? or are they just kool aid drinkers who do not see your "reality"?

Every team in the history of professional sports talks like that before the season.

ok, when you go on your rant predicting doom and gloom without even seeing a practice let alone a game, you cling to steve youngs remarks like they are god and then you just set there and dismiss actual words from the players because they are just words,,, you clearly can not be reasoned with.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Of course I'm optimistic. I've been a fan since the late 70's, early 80's. I watched EVERY game during our decade(ish) of decay. EVERY season I was ready for a Super Bowl run. This year is different to me. Management has taken full control of the ship and that has never worked in the NFL, or any sport that I can think of.

Players and coaches speaking positively is par for the course. Undoubtedly every other NFL team's staff and players are saying the same thing. You are correct that we can't do anything about how we got here, but I reserve the right to look at this situation with doubt.

out of all years of watching the 9ers...looks like you missed the early 2000's and how that team was ran

Originally posted by GoForGold:
Does anyone really believe that the owner and GM WANT the team to do badly? Doesn't that kinda go against the whole idea of a competition based sport? I remember when we first hired Harbaugh, some of the writers said he probably would only be here a few years. He's like a candle. Can only burn brightly for so long. Well, they were correct. We don't know what happened behind closed doors. And it doesn't matter anymore anyway. The only thing now that matters is who IS here, and who is coaching. It's Tomsulas team to coach. Not Baalke. Not York. And we have a hell of a roster! http://www.49ers.com/team/roster.html This is our team! Live or die. Right or wrong. 2014 be damned! 2015 we march into battle with the Mighty 49ers! Man that sounds so corny. GO 'NINERS!!!

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Didn't realize this was a homer/kool-aid thread. My bad.

Forgive them for they not know what they drink.

the mature posters here are the ones who GASP, actually have a open mind and will wait to see how things unfold before they bury this team and call them trash

Just because we predict a losing season doesn't mean we're calling the team trash, losing is a part of rebuilding.

the fact that you and others are creating this"perception" that you are gleefully setting around rubbing your hands acting like you just can not wait for the fall is what triggers posters who have a different view than you to lash out. of course you find it easy to pooh pooh them by calling them kool aid drinkers,, and then expect you and your followers like furlow to be taken seriously with your doom and gloom view of things. You set there and cling to any piece of negative news from steve young and other so called experts as gospel but are more than willing to dismiss a totally different view of the niner world from your very own players as "what are they supposed to say",,, please do not roll out the shock and awe when people think you are a troll

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Didn't realize this was a homer/kool-aid thread. My bad.

Forgive them for they not know what they drink.

I hate to minimize to that, but honestly why the blind optimism? And then to attack my position, which I firmly agree is an opinion, because it's "not based on facts." What "facts" are they basing this optimism on? None of us actually know what is going to happen, we can only give opinions. Mine is that I think management has put together a recipe for disaster.

I was not a Harbaugh fan, at all. I'm actually glad he got fired. But what has transpired since then has been a circus, and I haven't seen or heard anything to get excited or hopeful about.

Nothing can be done about HOW we all got here...but from actual football-related topics since then? You're not encouraged at all? Not even mildly cautiously optimistic?

I mean, you'd have to literally ignore every single 1on1 interview (coaches and players including retired legends), ignore the draft and FA period, ignore every local media report, reports from national media who actually visited the facility (i.e. the Greg Cosell interview), ignore all the OTA improvement reports by MM/MB+, etc. ignore the fact that all the 19 IR's are back to form, the all-ACL team is looking good and adding more talent/depth, Bowman's "All About Business!" campaign and not review our actual roster/depth to not be at least, mildly optimistic for the upcoming season.

That is some seriously selective efforts right there...or you're a Rams/Hawks/Cardinals fan? You say you're not a Harbaugh-fan? Ummm

Of course I'm optimistic. I've been a fan since the late 70's, early 80's. I watched EVERY game during our decade(ish) of decay. EVERY season I was ready for a Super Bowl run. This year is different to me. Management has taken full control of the ship and that has never worked in the NFL, or any sport that I can think of.

Players and coaches speaking positively is par for the course. Undoubtedly every other NFL team's staff and players are saying the same thing. You are correct that we can't do anything about how we got here, but I reserve the right to look at this situation with doubt.

I can understand your one-way concern about management taking over (and by that, you mean going a different direction from Harbaugh yet staying in-house) but at the end of the day, it's the players and coaching that determine wins (outside the FO putting a team in salary cap hell or not acquiring top-level talent which neither have applied to the 49ers for years now). And those issues you speak of were of last season's drama and eventual "mutual parting of ways." If you're not a Harbaugh fan and were happy to see him go, what's to complain about...he and his poor offense are gone as is his drama?

Now, onto football...

This is a new season and if you haven't heard since we assembled the staff, hit FA, had the draft, OTA's, etc. it's been nothing but positive signs we're heading in the right direction. Its not like this team is devoid of talent of coaches (11 of the 19 coaches with top-level experience) or talent (check out the roster/depth and "camp battles").

So why the doom-n-gloom in late July?

I mean, like Oak, if you were to take the stance that you're hesitant for X, Y & Z reasons while NOT proclaiming facts/absolutes towards a total guaranteed sh!tstorm, you won't be 'attacked' in here. Even the biggest optimists in here can lay out their concerns (too many changes too quickly, OL talent level, new ZBS coupled with power, CB talent concerns, etc.).

Originally posted by crake49:
The Homer/Koolaid thing is really a tired meme. It assumes that an optimistic outlook is delusional and a negative outlook is realistic. Nobody knows what's going to happen. Evidently some people around here have convinced themselves that they actually do know what's going to happen. I would call THAT delusional.

EXACTLY, Ive said the entire offseason Im cautiously Optimistic. I think Tomsula will be good, but I could see them having a down year do too things such as injury, tough scheule, tough division, and the transition. But this doom and gloom s**t is annoying, seriously even if you think they suck, cant you at least be optimistic about seeing what the young guys can do?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Didn't realize this was a homer/kool-aid thread. My bad.

Forgive them for they not know what they drink.

I hate to minimize to that, but honestly why the blind optimism? And then to attack my position, which I firmly agree is an opinion, because it's "not based on facts." What "facts" are they basing this optimism on? None of us actually know what is going to happen, we can only give opinions. Mine is that I think management has put together a recipe for disaster.

I was not a Harbaugh fan, at all. I'm actually glad he got fired. But what has transpired since then has been a circus, and I haven't seen or heard anything to get excited or hopeful about.

Nothing can be done about HOW we all got here...but from actual football-related topics since then? You're not encouraged at all? Not even mildly cautiously optimistic?

I mean, you'd have to literally ignore every single 1on1 interview (coaches and players including retired legends), ignore the draft and FA period, ignore every local media report, reports from national media who actually visited the facility (i.e. the Greg Cosell interview), ignore all the OTA improvement reports by MM/MB+, etc. ignore the fact that all the 19 IR's are back to form, the all-ACL team is looking good and adding more talent/depth, Bowman's "All About Business!" campaign and not review our actual roster/depth to not be at least, mildly optimistic for the upcoming season.

That is some seriously selective efforts right there...or you're a Rams/Hawks/Cardinals fan? You say you're not a Harbaugh-fan? Ummm

Of course I'm optimistic. I've been a fan since the late 70's, early 80's. I watched EVERY game during our decade(ish) of decay. EVERY season I was ready for a Super Bowl run. This year is different to me. Management has taken full control of the ship and that has never worked in the NFL, or any sport that I can think of.

Players and coaches speaking positively is par for the course. Undoubtedly every other NFL team's staff and players are saying the same thing. You are correct that we can't do anything about how we got here, but I reserve the right to look at this situation with doubt.

ok,, you are now being dishonest or are pretending to be stupid. you set there and say this is the first time you know where management has taken control of the ship(which is highly debatable) while on the other side of your mouth you say you have been a fan since the late 70's. my god, that was in the middle of the joe thomas era where he did take charge, fired monte and took us down the worst path in our teams history.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Of course I'm optimistic. I've been a fan since the late 70's, early 80's. I watched EVERY game during our decade(ish) of decay. EVERY season I was ready for a Super Bowl run. This year is different to me. Management has taken full control of the ship and that has never worked in the NFL, or any sport that I can think of.

Players and coaches speaking positively is par for the course. Undoubtedly every other NFL team's staff and players are saying the same thing. You are correct that we can't do anything about how we got here, but I reserve the right to look at this situation with doubt.

out of all years of watching the 9ers...looks like you missed the early 2000's and how that team was ran

I watched them all closely. You're right that organization was horrible. Perhaps it's because so much more information is readily available, that it's more apparent now than then.

Originally posted by MikeD:
I'm sure even Jacksonville fans are optimistic about their coming season, but us 9er fans should not be I guess. To make assumptions like this without even seeing even a preseason game is dumb. I like what the 9ers are trying to do, and can't wait to see if it transitions to a playoff birth

kool aid drinker. you are a realist if you are in the camp where you think we will suck because of what steve young says and because of what verbs nephew says and because of the imaginative ramblings of furlow

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Of course I'm optimistic. I've been a fan since the late 70's, early 80's. I watched EVERY game during our decade(ish) of decay. EVERY season I was ready for a Super Bowl run. This year is different to me. Management has taken full control of the ship and that has never worked in the NFL, or any sport that I can think of.

Players and coaches speaking positively is par for the course. Undoubtedly every other NFL team's staff and players are saying the same thing. You are correct that we can't do anything about how we got here, but I reserve the right to look at this situation with doubt.

out of all years of watching the 9ers...looks like you missed the early 2000's and how that team was ran

and the late 70's where he claims to have been watching all the games

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Didn't realize this was a homer/kool-aid thread. My bad.

Forgive them for they not know what they drink.

I hate to minimize to that, but honestly why the blind optimism? And then to attack my position, which I firmly agree is an opinion, because it's "not based on facts." What "facts" are they basing this optimism on? None of us actually know what is going to happen, we can only give opinions. Mine is that I think management has put together a recipe for disaster.

I was not a Harbaugh fan, at all. I'm actually glad he got fired. But what has transpired since then has been a circus, and I haven't seen or heard anything to get excited or hopeful about.

Nothing can be done about HOW we all got here...but from actual football-related topics since then? You're not encouraged at all? Not even mildly cautiously optimistic?

I mean, you'd have to literally ignore every single 1on1 interview (coaches and players including retired legends), ignore the draft and FA period, ignore every local media report, reports from national media who actually visited the facility (i.e. the Greg Cosell interview), ignore all the OTA improvement reports by MM/MB+, etc. ignore the fact that all the 19 IR's are back to form, the all-ACL team is looking good and adding more talent/depth, Bowman's "All About Business!" campaign and not review our actual roster/depth to not be at least, mildly optimistic for the upcoming season.

That is some seriously selective efforts right there...or you're a Rams/Hawks/Cardinals fan? You say you're not a Harbaugh-fan? Ummm

Of course I'm optimistic. I've been a fan since the late 70's, early 80's. I watched EVERY game during our decade(ish) of decay. EVERY season I was ready for a Super Bowl run. This year is different to me. Management has taken full control of the ship and that has never worked in the NFL, or any sport that I can think of.

Players and coaches speaking positively is par for the course. Undoubtedly every other NFL team's staff and players are saying the same thing. You are correct that we can't do anything about how we got here, but I reserve the right to look at this situation with doubt.

ok,, you are now being dishonest or are pretending to be stupid. you set there and say this is the first time you know where management has taken control of the ship(which is highly debatable) while on the other side of your mouth you say you have been a fan since the late 70's. my god, that was in the middle of the joe thomas era where he did take charge, fired monte and took us down the worst path in our teams history.

Well I was 6-7 years old at that time, forgive my ignorance. Lol

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Of course I'm optimistic. I've been a fan since the late 70's, early 80's. I watched EVERY game during our decade(ish) of decay. EVERY season I was ready for a Super Bowl run. This year is different to me. Management has taken full control of the ship and that has never worked in the NFL, or any sport that I can think of.

Players and coaches speaking positively is par for the course. Undoubtedly every other NFL team's staff and players are saying the same thing. You are correct that we can't do anything about how we got here, but I reserve the right to look at this situation with doubt.

out of all years of watching the 9ers...looks like you missed the early 2000's and how that team was ran

I watched them all closely. You're right that organization was horrible. Perhaps it's because so much more information is readily available, that it's more apparent now than then.

Can you sit here and say this team is not more talented then those 2004-2008 teams. Cause I can say on paper that they are far more superior to those teams and its not even close.

Look, I'm going to order NFL Ticket and I'll be watching every game, cheering my ass off, same as all of you. We're all in the same boat. I don't see why I'm somehow less of a fan, or a troll, simply because I do not share some of your enthusiasm about the direction of this team. I simply said "I smell disaster" and I was attacked for it.

All of the off-field drama during last year and this past off-season has really soured me on the 49ers organization. Being an SF Giants fan as well, the stark contrast between the organizations is mind blowing. It makes me proud to say I'm an SF Giants fan, not just because of 3 championships in 5 years, but because of how they did it. The 49ers organization is an embarrassment to professional sports, and I just don't see how you guys can see it differently. Do I hope the players and coaches are successful, in spite of this? Absolutely! I just don't think they will be. Hopefully I'm wrong.

And wouldn't a "realist" be someone who sees no positive or negatives at this juncture b/c it's still too early to form an opinion one way or another?