So does anyone know which type of offense we are going to run?

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by Furlow:

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Originally posted by OldJoe:

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they explicitly said they wanted to be a running team.

Baalke strongly alluded to this. But our OC is the ex QB coach. What do you think his orientation is? If becoming a pass-first team gets any traction Baalke will relent. I think it all comes down to pass blocking. If we repeat last years performance, all is lost because if they know you are running they load the box (see last year).

Tomsula said we were gonna run the ball. No alluding he flat out said it. The Head coach inevitably determines the personality of the team, if he says we are going to be a running team I doubt chrsyt denies his boss. We need balance we need to do both, thats what the best offenses can do.

I remember a recent 49ers coach proclaiming that the Niners "were going to run the football." Simply saying "run the football" is not an NFL offensive philosophy. Well, it is, but it's not successful.

It doesnt detail a offensive philosophy. But when your gm and head coach explicitly say they want to build and develop a team that can run the ball well you kind of get the idea of what they are trying to do. Im not talking about offensive philosophy or schematics. But they want to run the ball and put there qb in a position to succeed, play action passes help with that.

When your GM is the one setting the tone and direction of the offense (or defense), it's not a good thing. I smell a disaster.

Your gm builds around your philosophy, vision, and goals. Wouldn't it be dumb if your coach wanted to build a physically dominating clock control team with a great front seven, and your gm was filling the roster with spread passing game players(not saying this is exactly what they are doing)? They need to be on the same page, so I see it as a good thing they both have the same vision for the team, or would you rather have disfunction?

You know as well as I do that's not what is happening lol

No I don't, enlighten me. Unless you are one of those conspiracy theorist that thinks Jed and baalke are out to get us?

Okay, bro. Good talk.

LOL thats what I thought.

Wow great comeback!

Listen, if you want to drink the Kool Aid, be my guest. Anyone with half a brain can see that our organization is a complete mess right now. That doesn't mean that we're going to go 0-16, but this is not a Super Bowl contending team. Not even close.

Just ask yourself, if management doesn't respect the coach (which they don't, they just like that he's easy to control) then why should the players? All it will take is a couple of losses in a row, the players lose faith, and it's over.

The problem is Baalke and York are so egotistical that they think they can just insert any coach and be successful. Either that, or they don't give a sh*t and will make millions no matter what the success of the team is. Are they "out to get us?" I suppose that depends on your perspective. Did you pay $20k for a PSL, with the promise that Harbaugh would be the coach and we'd have a perennial contender? Because I'm pretty sure that group is thinking that Baalke and York are out to get them.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Wow great comeback!

Listen, if you want to drink the Kool Aid, be my guest. Anyone with half a brain can see that our organization is a complete mess right now. That doesn't mean that we're going to go 0-16, but this is not a Super Bowl contending team. Not even close.

Just ask yourself, if management doesn't respect the coach (which they don't, they just like that he's easy to control) then why should the players? All it will take is a couple of losses in a row, the players lose faith, and it's over.

The problem is Baalke and York are so egotistical that they think they can just insert any coach and be successful. Either that, or they don't give a sh*t and will make millions no matter what the success of the team is. Are they "out to get us?" I suppose that depends on your perspective. Did you pay $20k for a PSL, with the promise that Harbaugh would be the coach and we'd have a perennial contender? Because I'm pretty sure that group is thinking that Baalke and York are out to get them.

i think only a person with a half a brain can set there and shrill , we are a complete mess,, when we have not even had a practice yet. there has been NOTHING as we unfold camp to indicate we are a mess. just the opposite. we seem to be one unit on the same page with no distractions. of course in your little unrealistic world, that is "drinking the kool aid" you entire post with your screwball speculations, in my opinion is factless, baseless, pointless and useless.. other than that, its a fine post

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Wow great comeback!

Listen, if you want to drink the Kool Aid, be my guest. Anyone with half a brain can see that our organization is a complete mess right now. That doesn't mean that we're going to go 0-16, but this is not a Super Bowl contending team. Not even close.

Just ask yourself, if management doesn't respect the coach (which they don't, they just like that he's easy to control) then why should the players? All it will take is a couple of losses in a row, the players lose faith, and it's over.

The problem is Baalke and York are so egotistical that they think they can just insert any coach and be successful. Either that, or they don't give a sh*t and will make millions no matter what the success of the team is. Are they "out to get us?" I suppose that depends on your perspective. Did you pay $20k for a PSL, with the promise that Harbaugh would be the coach and we'd have a perennial contender? Because I'm pretty sure that group is thinking that Baalke and York are out to get them.

i think only a person with a half a brain can set there and shrill , we are a complete mess,, when we have not even had a practice yet. there has been NOTHING as we unfold camp to indicate we are a mess. just the opposite. we seem to be one unit on the same page with no distractions. of course in your little unrealistic world, that is "drinking the kool aid" you entire post with your screwball speculations, in my opinion is factless, baseless, pointless and useless.. other than that, its a fine post

looks like he's trying to bash the Org/team and then trying to blame it on Phil ?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Wow great comeback!

Listen, if you want to drink the Kool Aid, be my guest. Anyone with half a brain can see that our organization is a complete mess right now. That doesn't mean that we're going to go 0-16, but this is not a Super Bowl contending team. Not even close.

Just ask yourself, if management doesn't respect the coach (which they don't, they just like that he's easy to control) then why should the players? All it will take is a couple of losses in a row, the players lose faith, and it's over.

The problem is Baalke and York are so egotistical that they think they can just insert any coach and be successful. Either that, or they don't give a sh*t and will make millions no matter what the success of the team is. Are they "out to get us?" I suppose that depends on your perspective. Did you pay $20k for a PSL, with the promise that Harbaugh would be the coach and we'd have a perennial contender? Because I'm pretty sure that group is thinking that Baalke and York are out to get them.

Wow, great fiction. No point in asking you to support or justify any of this of course. Maybe you should start your posts "once upon a time".?

Originally posted by Furlow:
Wow great comeback!

Listen, if you want to drink the Kool Aid, be my guest. Anyone with half a brain can see that our organization is a complete mess right now. That doesn't mean that we're going to go 0-16, but this is not a Super Bowl contending team. Not even close.

Just ask yourself, if management doesn't respect the coach (which they don't, they just like that he's easy to control) then why should the players? All it will take is a couple of losses in a row, the players lose faith, and it's over.

The problem is Baalke and York are so egotistical that they think they can just insert any coach and be successful. Either that, or they don't give a sh*t and will make millions no matter what the success of the team is. Are they "out to get us?" I suppose that depends on your perspective. Did you pay $20k for a PSL, with the promise that Harbaugh would be the coach and we'd have a perennial contender? Because I'm pretty sure that group is thinking that Baalke and York are out to get them.

Great post. Spot on man!

There are many facts that my argument is based on. We fired a successful coach because he wasn't popular with the front office. Our coach "search" wasn't really a search at all, as the candidate had been chosen during the season. Our front office leaked that info during the season to undermine Harbaugh and ensure his demise. The coach that was hired would not have been hired as a head coach of any other NFL team, and was a suspect hire at best. Multiple players retired, during their primes, after all of this occurred. Almost every NFL expert agrees that the 49ers are a mess and will not be successful.

And I'm the one with half a brain?

I will root for the team, I'm a fan of the 49ers. But I'm intelligent enough to call it like it is. You know, like Steve Young did. I suppose you guys think he is "bashing" the team and simply "shrilling?"

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by OldJoe:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:
they explicitly said they wanted to be a running team.

Baalke strongly alluded to this. But our OC is the ex QB coach. What do you think his orientation is? If becoming a pass-first team gets any traction Baalke will relent. I think it all comes down to pass blocking. If we repeat last years performance, all is lost because if they know you are running they load the box (see last year).

Tomsula said we were gonna run the ball. No alluding he flat out said it. The Head coach inevitably determines the personality of the team, if he says we are going to be a running team I doubt chrsyt denies his boss. We need balance we need to do both, thats what the best offenses can do.

I remember a recent 49ers coach proclaiming that the Niners "were going to run the football." Simply saying "run the football" is not an NFL offensive philosophy. Well, it is, but it's not successful.

It doesnt detail a offensive philosophy. But when your gm and head coach explicitly say they want to build and develop a team that can run the ball well you kind of get the idea of what they are trying to do. Im not talking about offensive philosophy or schematics. But they want to run the ball and put there qb in a position to succeed, play action passes help with that.

When your GM is the one setting the tone and direction of the offense (or defense), it's not a good thing. I smell a disaster.

Your gm builds around your philosophy, vision, and goals. Wouldn't it be dumb if your coach wanted to build a physically dominating clock control team with a great front seven, and your gm was filling the roster with spread passing game players(not saying this is exactly what they are doing)? They need to be on the same page, so I see it as a good thing they both have the same vision for the team, or would you rather have disfunction?

You know as well as I do that's not what is happening lol

No I don't, enlighten me. Unless you are one of those conspiracy theorist that thinks Jed and baalke are out to get us?

Okay, bro. Good talk.

LOL thats what I thought.

Wow great comeback!

Listen, if you want to drink the Kool Aid, be my guest. Anyone with half a brain can see that our organization is a complete mess right now. That doesn't mean that we're going to go 0-16, but this is not a Super Bowl contending team. Not even close.

Just ask yourself, if management doesn't respect the coach (which they don't, they just like that he's easy to control) then why should the players? All it will take is a couple of losses in a row, the players lose faith, and it's over.

The problem is Baalke and York are so egotistical that they think they can just insert any coach and be successful. Either that, or they don't give a sh*t and will make millions no matter what the success of the team is. Are they "out to get us?" I suppose that depends on your perspective. Did you pay $20k for a PSL, with the promise that Harbaugh would be the coach and we'd have a perennial contender? Because I'm pretty sure that group is thinking that Baalke and York are out to get them.

SO many assumptions. Nothing shows proof of any of this stuff. Im not sure how a discussion about the offense they are going to run has devolved about how Im drinking kool aid and about harbaugh. Personally i just think your drinking the poison.

I wanna say I was pissed and frustrated at first with the harbaugh firing but now that we understand why they did it.

Anyways, keep believing Harbaugh didn't say or do anything to earn his way out. We all get harbaugh's win and loss record. But you want to talk about players losing faith? Did you even watch the team last year? Harbaugh was done, the proof was in the pudding those players did not want to play for that guy. When you see your team hanging their head constantly, when you hear about players not liking harbaugh in the locker room and that he lost the team. When you hear about him having two locker rooms for the offense and defense. When you hear about straight shooters like MM saying thats the saddest group of players he has ever seen and they were having no fun. When you hear about some of the s**t he has said to players/coaches, his abrasive personality, his love of chaos, his propensity to constantly push players beyond their limits(which leads to injuries), his inability to cut "his guy" roman. Also, the simple fact that he has never stayed as a coach more then 4 years. If you deny these things and say its on baalke and york only for using tomsula as a puppet(niot saying they might nit have something to do with it, but it points to harbaugh not jed and baalke. Nothing points to something as ridiculous as him being a puppet.). YOU. ARE. DELUSIONAL.

Personally I still dont know what to think about york, but people try to act like he is JJ putting his hand into everything in the organization, he does not, he lets guy do their job. His job is also to help choose a HC and leaders in the organizations. What I dont like is the way he talks in the media, he needs to STFU already. That comparison to kerr was stupid.

Tomsula may fail, C'est La Vie. I like what he has done so far and the changes he has made and i like the players we have, im also inherently optimistic when it comes to most things, and not a negative nancy who cant get over things nearly 7 months later. Get over it.

Hopefully, it's an offense that scores a lot of points.

Originally posted by Furlow:
There are many facts that my argument is based on. We fired a successful coach because he wasn't popular with the front office. Our coach "search" wasn't really a search at all, as the candidate had been chosen during the season. Our front office leaked that info during the season to undermine Harbaugh and ensure his demise. The coach that was hired would not have been hired as a head coach of any other NFL team, and was a suspect hire at best. Multiple players retired, during their primes, after all of this occurred. Almost every NFL expert agrees that the 49ers are a mess and will not be successful.

And I'm the one with half a brain?

I will root for the team, I'm a fan of the 49ers. But I'm intelligent enough to call it like it is. You know, like Steve Young did. I suppose you guys think he is "bashing" the team and simply "shrilling?"

wow you are really ignoring all facts and basing this year on last year

Originally posted by Furlow:
There are many facts that my argument is based on. We fired a successful coach because he wasn't popular with the front office. Our coach "search" wasn't really a search at all, as the candidate had been chosen during the season. Our front office leaked that info during the season to undermine Harbaugh and ensure his demise. The coach that was hired would not have been hired as a head coach of any other NFL team, and was a suspect hire at best. Multiple players retired, during their primes, after all of this occurred. Almost every NFL expert agrees that the 49ers are a mess and will not be successful.

And I'm the one with half a brain?

I will root for the team, I'm a fan of the 49ers. But I'm intelligent enough to call it like it is. You know, like Steve Young did. I suppose you guys think he is "bashing" the team and simply "shrilling?"

WHo cares about nfl experts? Who cares if he wasnt hired by another organization, they work with the guy constantly. I dont think they would attempt to pick a loser, conspiracy theories. Borland willis, justin, and davis retired due to injury issues, how is that on the front office? Who cares what the hell espn thinks, they are some all knowing source now? NFL.com? They all picked us to lose in 2011, they pick the most superficial opinions. Where is the proof that jed leaked info to the media? The better assumption it was one of the players complaining about jim, the same one's visibly fed up with the team on the field last year.

Quaaludes are a helluva drug!

Didn't realize this was a homer/kool-aid thread. My bad.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Didn't realize this was a homer/kool-aid thread. My bad.

Forgive them for they not know what they drink.

Originally posted by Furlow:
There are many facts that my argument is based on. We fired a successful coach because he wasn't popular with the front office.

The first half is a fact, the second half is an opinion

Our coach "search" wasn't really a search at all, as the candidate had been chosen during the season.

Opinion

Our front office leaked that info during the season to undermine Harbaugh and ensure his demise.

Opinion

The coach that was hired would not have been hired as a head coach of any other NFL team, and was a suspect hire at best.

You are right about the first part. I don't think anyone requested to interview him this past year. But then again, none of the coordinators everyone here was hoping for got a head coaching gig either... and the underlined is opinion

Multiple players retired, during their primes, after all of this occurred. Almost every NFL expert agrees that the 49ers are a mess and will not be successful.

Not totally accurate. The popular opinion is the Niners will fail but that's mostly because these talking heads take one opinion and run with it. Very few know the ins and outs of the team. In the end, does it really matter what the "experts" say? I would wager most are wrong more often then they are right.



Great post. I loved all the facts you posted. You should do it more often.

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Didn't realize this was a homer/kool-aid thread. My bad.

Forgive them for they not know what they drink.

I hate to minimize to that, but honestly why the blind optimism? And then to attack my position, which I firmly agree is an opinion, because it's "not based on facts." What "facts" are they basing this optimism on? None of us actually know what is going to happen, we can only give opinions. Mine is that I think management has put together a recipe for disaster.

I was not a Harbaugh fan, at all. I'm actually glad he got fired. But what has transpired since then has been a circus, and I haven't seen or heard anything to get excited or hopeful about.