Oakland Raiders coaches Film analysis

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Jd925:
Another one-read by design.. (this is the same as jonnydel)

The only possibility is that Miller was a read because Kap's head is turned that way.. but I still doubt it was the very first post-snap read in this thread. Boldin is the primary read.. he's double covered.. Kap is stuck with a blitz man coming.. That's all I see.

BTW if this was a spot concept how can you thl408 and jonnydel say he should have gone to a 4th read on a blitz? If he was going through a spot concept it would have been Boldin, Miller, and Celek on a half-field read.... not Davis on the other side...

I'll let you go ahead and do all the research into football to find that out. In the end - self discovery is better than us explaining it......

jd925. I recommend you take the time to research some of this stuff on your own. The concepts we point out have stood the test of time. There are progressions built into the route combinations. Just because Kap goes with his initial read does not mean that was the only available option to target on the play. If you watch the all22, you will see a lot of poor body language and sulking from some of the 49er WRs after the play is dead and the pass falls incomplete. They feel they should have gotten the target. They are live options on the play that Kap did not look to. In addition, I can point out the plays where it is a designed one read throw so I understand what you mean.

To the bolded, the progression is Spot concept, then backside In route. If you look at the timing in which each route breaks, it makes perfect sense. I'm not going to get too involved in this as I have spent many keystrokes explaining this last season that the 49ers do not run a majority one read passing attack. If you truly understand passing concepts and route combinations, you can see this. To get you started, there is the 'Film Analysis' thread that is pinned to the top of Niner Talk. Take a look at page 2 of that thread where a small handful of concepts are broken down.

I know you may continue to quote my posts and say "one read by design", just understand that each time you do, I laugh a little.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Jd925:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's a missed opportunity in the game. This is what I'm talking about when I say that Kap's just a little slow in his reads.

Here, we start out in 22 Personnel. We motion VD over to the bottom.

It looks like Kap is trying to ask Miller to chip block - that's what I'd assume considering how the play is drawn up.

We then motion VM over to the top of the screen.

From here, we're going to run almost the same play the first INT came on - just out of a different formation and this time, we give a little better zone help on the backside.

Our play action fake does bring a couple guys up.

It looks like Oakland was focused on trying to take Boldin out of the passing game. You see the LB and Woodson close on Boldin's curl route. Oakland plays the concept side well. What CK needs to to here is move through this progression very quickly. You see the concept side is well covered - why? Because your two middle defenders are covering Boldin - that means the middle of the field will be open - you have an intermediate middle route on the backside.

You see Kap's not under immediate pressure, he's got an open VD - but he doesn't get to that read quick enough.


'From the endzone view you could see he was looking at VD's route - but he pulls down his throw - probably because it was coming a little late(I still think he could've gotten it in but I think he was scared of throwing another pick to the safety). He got to the right read, just too slow. He has to get through those reads faster. This is what Steve Young talked about when he said that these reads and knowing where to go on every play against every defense until it's reflexive. It's not reflexive yet, he's still digesting everything as it's happening and looking more at his receivers than the defenders.

After he pulls it down he gets sacked for 3 yards. Could've had a first down and move the ball, but instead....This is a sack that's on CK.

I need to see an animated GIF, but this is another one-read by design.

He probably read blitz pre-snap and was looking for Boldin... now you say he was looking at VD's route and I'm not going to even accept that until I see it....and even if that was the case the only reason he would do that because he's stuck on Boldin's primary short/'hot' route that is double teamed.



From the endzone..... You really think I'm lying??

#1: Nope. I didn't think you were lying. I was thinking you were mistaken.

#2: This possibly can be a read, but I doubt it. Again if this were a spot concept it would be to the right side of the field with Miller, Boldin, Celek ...

#3: Look at Vernon (unless Vernon totally screwed up his route)... he does a curl or a slow in-route not a cross ..... he reacts when the play is broken and half-heartedly breaks in.. is that a real route option?.... if it were a spot concept he'd be doing a fast cross..

#4: Look at Kap he's looking at empty space.. he's probably bailing out of the play and cocks his arm back looking for anyone on a broken play because a linebacker is coming right at him.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with the OL other than injuries and general malaise that extends throughout the entire offense.

The OL works as a unit and when you're constantly moving pieces around, moving guys around, it can greatly affect cohesion and the performance of the unit as a whole. I think guard is the main area where there needs to be improvement, particularly in pass blocking. Kilgore was doing a very good job at center until he got injured, Martin is still a rookie and he'll learn but when you have that many injuries hit you, its not enough to say "next man up." You need continuity on the OL.

I remember back to the days when we brought in Ray Brown from the Redskins (I believe). Even tho his was a bit older, he really solidified the line. It wouldn't be a bad idea to bring in one veteran guard in the offseason. But I agree with your comments in general especially about the malaise part. Jeez, how much distractions can a deal with? We've had our share of them this year.

Originally posted by Jd925:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Jd925:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's a missed opportunity in the game. This is what I'm talking about when I say that Kap's just a little slow in his reads.

Here, we start out in 22 Personnel. We motion VD over to the bottom.

It looks like Kap is trying to ask Miller to chip block - that's what I'd assume considering how the play is drawn up.

We then motion VM over to the top of the screen.

From here, we're going to run almost the same play the first INT came on - just out of a different formation and this time, we give a little better zone help on the backside.

Our play action fake does bring a couple guys up.

It looks like Oakland was focused on trying to take Boldin out of the passing game. You see the LB and Woodson close on Boldin's curl route. Oakland plays the concept side well. What CK needs to to here is move through this progression very quickly. You see the concept side is well covered - why? Because your two middle defenders are covering Boldin - that means the middle of the field will be open - you have an intermediate middle route on the backside.

You see Kap's not under immediate pressure, he's got an open VD - but he doesn't get to that read quick enough.


'From the endzone view you could see he was looking at VD's route - but he pulls down his throw - probably because it was coming a little late(I still think he could've gotten it in but I think he was scared of throwing another pick to the safety). He got to the right read, just too slow. He has to get through those reads faster. This is what Steve Young talked about when he said that these reads and knowing where to go on every play against every defense until it's reflexive. It's not reflexive yet, he's still digesting everything as it's happening and looking more at his receivers than the defenders.

After he pulls it down he gets sacked for 3 yards. Could've had a first down and move the ball, but instead....This is a sack that's on CK.

I need to see an animated GIF, but this is another one-read by design.

He probably read blitz pre-snap and was looking for Boldin... now you say he was looking at VD's route and I'm not going to even accept that until I see it....and even if that was the case the only reason he would do that because he's stuck on Boldin's primary short/'hot' route that is double teamed.



From the endzone..... You really think I'm lying??

#1: Nope. I didn't think you were lying. I was thinking you were mistaken.

#2: This possibly can be a read, but I doubt it. Again if this were a spot concept it would be to the right side of the field with Miller, Boldin, Celek ...

#3: Look at Vernon (unless Vernon totally screwed up his route)... he does a curl or a slow in-route not a cross ..... he reacts when the play is broken and half-heartedly breaks in.. is that a real route option?.... if it were a spot concept he'd be doing a fast cross..

#4: Look at Kap he's looking at empty space.. he's probably bailing out of the play and cocks his arm back looking for anyone on a broken play because a linebacker is coming right at him.

Kap started out looking to the concept side and then moved to VD - he didn't pull the trigger for whatever reason

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Kap started out looking to the concept side and then moved to VD - he didn't pull the trigger for whatever reason

In this case, I think you give the raiders a little credit as the spot concept was covered nicely. It looks like he had a window to the backside in though.

Originally posted by pete98146:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with the OL other than injuries and general malaise that extends throughout the entire offense.

The OL works as a unit and when you're constantly moving pieces around, moving guys around, it can greatly affect cohesion and the performance of the unit as a whole. I think guard is the main area where there needs to be improvement, particularly in pass blocking. Kilgore was doing a very good job at center until he got injured, Martin is still a rookie and he'll learn but when you have that many injuries hit you, its not enough to say "next man up." You need continuity on the OL.

I remember back to the days when we brought in Ray Brown from the Redskins (I believe). Even tho his was a bit older, he really solidified the line. It wouldn't be a bad idea to bring in one veteran guard in the offseason. But I agree with your comments in general especially about the malaise part. Jeez, how much distractions can a deal with? We've had our share of them this year.

I think the distractions are playing a bigger part this year than most players want to acknowledge. Bowman insinuated it in his interview - that despite all of that, players still have the responsibility to come in and do their job to 100%. The things that we're seeing on the field seem more mental than anything. To me, that points to guys who aren't fully focused during the weak in the meeting rooms and practice. Coaches can do all they can, but if players aren't all bought into the organization and are mentally sharp and have that hunger - it's not going to happen.

Part of what frustrates me with our O-line is that the majority of them are veterans. Last year, they'd be the guys other teams would look at to bring in to solidify they're lines. This year...not so much. Maybe it's the 4 years of trying to be on the razor's edge of drive and sharpness that's hard to sustain has finally crumbled this year - I don't know.

Originally posted by Jd925:
Another one read by design.

dude just shut up......

Later on the drive to end the 1st half. One of the plays where I thought Kap had time, but didn't pull the trigger in rhythm.

2Q 2nd & 10 (0:25 left in the half)

49ers: Smash concept to Kap's right. Not sure what's going on to his left and VD.
OAK: 6 man pressure. Looks like a 3 deep shell.


Kap completes his dropback (very nice blitz pickup). Kap should look to the quickest developing route - Crabs' 4 yard Curl. Instead, he looks to Boldin. Boldin is not open with two defenders over the top. Later you'll see that Kap looks to his right during his dropback. The reason I think he's looking at Boldin is because if he's looking at Crabs, he would have targeted Crabs, maybe?


6 man pressure, get the ball out quick. Kap moves off Boldin then looks to VD. VD will not be open with the free safety in the middle of the field.


Kap rolls left and throws up a floater to SJ who almost made a terrific catch. Hard to see, but Crabs is flailing his arms in the air.


If Kap is looking at Crabs, then I ask, "why not pull the trigger?". If he never looks at Crabs then I have to ask again, "why not?". 6 man pressure, look to the quickest developing route first. Incomplete pass.

The 2nd half opens with the 49ers defense forcing a '3 and Out'. On the punt, the 49ers get the best punt return this season.
#54 Moody and #43 Dahl provide key blocks on the return.


Ellington starts off going to his right, the cuts back to his left.


+23 yards

Originally posted by thl408:

Later on the drive to end the 1st half. One of the plays where I thought Kap had time, but didn't pull the trigger in rhythm.

2Q 2nd & 10 (0:25 left in the half)

49ers: Smash concept to Kap's right. Not sure what's going on to his left and VD.
OAK: 6 man pressure. Looks like a 3 deep shell.


Kap completes his dropback (very nice blitz pickup). Kap should look to the quickest developing route - Crabs' 4 yard Curl. Instead, he looks to Boldin. Boldin is not open with two defenders over the top. Later you'll see that Kap looks to his right during his dropback. The reason I think he's looking at Boldin is because if he's looking at Crabs, he would have targeted Crabs, maybe?


6 man pressure, get the ball out quick. Kap moves off Boldin then looks to VD. VD will not be open with the free safety in the middle of the field.


Kap rolls left and throws up a floater to SJ who almost made a terrific catch. Hard to see, but Crabs is flailing his arms in the air.


If Kap is looking at Crabs, then I ask, "why not pull the trigger?". If he never looks at Crabs then I have to ask again, "why not?". 6 man pressure, look to the quickest developing route first. Incomplete pass.

Could this be a case of kap ignoring the conceptside again. He did that more than you would like last year. This is just a wtf kap type of play. The question is What was so enticing on the backside to come off of the conceptside.

Originally posted by thl408:
Later on the drive to end the 1st half. One of the plays where I thought Kap had time, but didn't pull the trigger in rhythm.

2Q 2nd & 10 (0:25 left in the half)

49ers: Smash concept to Kap's right. Not sure what's going on to his left and VD.
OAK: 6 man pressure. Looks like a 3 deep shell.


Kap completes his dropback (very nice blitz pickup). Kap should look to the quickest developing route - Crabs' 4 yard Curl. Instead, he looks to Boldin. Boldin is not open with two defenders over the top. Later you'll see that Kap looks to his right during his dropback. The reason I think he's looking at Boldin is because if he's looking at Crabs, he would have targeted Crabs, maybe?


6 man pressure, get the ball out quick. Kap moves off Boldin then looks to VD. VD will not be open with the free safety in the middle of the field.


Kap rolls left and throws up a floater to SJ who almost made a terrific catch. Hard to see, but Crabs is flailing his arms in the air.


If Kap is looking at Crabs, then I ask, "why not pull the trigger?". If he never looks at Crabs then I have to ask again, "why not?". 6 man pressure, look to the quickest developing route first. Incomplete pass.

Glad you touched on this play, I was going to but haven't had a ton of time today. Thing that irritates me most about this play is that it's very similar to the last play of the NFCCG - had 4 deep defenders and the curl near the sideline was wide open but Kap never looks that way. It's gotta frustrate receivers like Crabs when they're flailing their arms because they're so open and he throws an incomplete pass.

I'm late to the party but this was an intersting take by Kevin Lynch: http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/12/09/whats-wrong-with-the-49ers-offense-part-one/

Everyone wants a villain for the 49ers' offensive downfall. Whether in print or on talk radio, most want to stable the villain label on quarterback Colin Kaepernick over head coach Jim Harbaugh, offensive coordinator Greg Roman, the offensive line, or even a dearth of talent left because of poor drafting by the scouting department.

So a four-part evaluation of the passing game over the last two games is in order. Here's what it looked like in the first half versus the Seahawks on Thanksgiving night.

Colin Kaepernick's numbers:

7 for 16 for 55 yards a sack and an interception.

Rundown of Kaepernick's nine incompletions:High to Gore (catchable).Overthrown deep to Lloyd.underthrown deep to Lloyd (hit after he threw, Staley gave up the pressure).Wide to an open Lloyd on right sideline, intercepted by Sherman.Defended on short pass to Boldin, timing off by bad snap.Defended on short pass to Davis.Pass tipped at the line of scrimmage.Wide to Stevie Johnson on deep sideline routeHit as he threw on pass to Lloyd.

Notes:

1. No drops by the receivers.

2. Kaepernick never had more than 2.5 seconds in which to pass. Often, Kaepernick would look for a deep receiver, but typically the receiver was still in his route before Kaepernick had to scramble or dump the ball elsewhere.

3. Twice in Kaepernick's 19 dropbacks, Cliff Averil was on him in less than two seconds. One resulted in an incompletion, another in a sack. Jonathan Martin was blocking Averil each time.

4. Kaepernick scrambled without being pressured three times and was 1 for 3 on those throws for 16 yards.

5. Early on, the 49ers tried to go deep to Brandon Lloyd, throwing three sideline routes to him in the first 11 passes. One pass was grossly overthrown, but on the other two, Lloyd had a chance to make a trademark acrobatic catch but didn't. This was Lloyd's pattern when he was first drafted by the 49ers: Terrific in the early season, but he faded in November and December.

6. Three times, bad shotgun snaps from center Marcus Martin might have thrown off the timing.

Conclusion: Kaepernick is skittish in the pocket, but for good reason. He simply is not getting enough time to operate. The 49ers like to run clearing routes for a short or intermediate pass underneath, but there's no time for those plays to develop. 49ers receivers also had difficulty fighting off press coverage, and Kaepernick rarely went to a second or third read. At the end of the half, the 49ers found some yards with the match up between Stevie Johnson and Seattle rookie cornerback Tharold Simon.

Originally posted by thl408:
After forcing a quick '3 and Out', the 49ers get the last possession of the 1st half. They would go on to kick a FG to tie it up at the half. Here's a big play from that drive.

2Q 1st & 10 (0:42 left in the half)

49ers: Levels concept to Kap's right. Levels is a nice concept that can be used versus man or zone. Against zone, like below, the slot WR (VD) pushes the zone defender in the area back. The outside WR (SJ) works the vacated area. To his left, Boldin looks to hit the seam in between the middle safety and the deep 1/3 defender lined up across from Crabs.
OAK: cover3

Kap takes the snap and looks for the seam route for the chunk play - big surprise. In his defense, the half is running out and a big play is needed. Shotgun snap, 3 step rhythm throw.

The pass has to be high to get over the reach of the underneath zone defender.

Nice, gutsy throw. It needs to be a laser to prevent the deep defenders from converging on the throw. +20 yards.

Another one-read by design.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Could this be a case of kap ignoring the conceptside again. He did that more than you would like last year. This is just a wtf kap type of play. The question is What was so enticing on the backside to come off of the conceptside.

Often times it's the 1-1 coverage that he likes. I've said it a bunch, but, one of Kap's biggest strengths will also be his weakness. He trusts his receivers to make plays in 1-1. He said it after the NFCCG, "I saw Crabs in 1-1 and I'm gonna take that every time". For him, it's not a calculated risk, he see's it as a win and wants to take that play. The problem is, we're not winning those matchups/throws at a high enough rate to do anything to the opposing defense. Right now it's more random in it's effectiveness than methodical. With our struggles, we need method, not explosion. This is one reason why our offense can't get in a rhythm. That, and our O-line struggles( I want to underscore that it's ONE reason of several - not the entire source of blame).

Originally posted by Jd925:
Another one-read by design.