If Jim Harbaugh leaves, who do you want as the next coach of the 49ers(All Coaching Rumors

Originally posted by Gore_21:
By the way thanks for your ranking of coaches in the thread that got locked up. The good news is though he would be 67 this team is ready now so we could compete for a sb for 2-4 years yet until Holmgren would retire. The bad news is how long would it take to put in the WCO and get Kap up to speed and turn him into a better pocket passer? If he wants to install the WCO wouldn't it take 2-3 years and by the time we get rolling is Holmgren going to still want to coach?

What worries me is Holmgren won more than 10 games (11 lock for playoffs these days) 5 times out of 17 years. Harbaugh did that 3 times in his first 3 years (well now 3 out of 4 years). I'm seeing a lot of 9-7 years, 7 times out of 17 which is not good enough for the playoffs these days in the NFC. Plus he hasn't been a HC in what 6 years. I don't know Holmgren and Gruden's best days might be behind them. People I think get caught up in the big names(the gruden, cowhers, dungy's) but I don't think they are the saviors everyone wants them to be. The game probably passed them by. Gruden's been out for 6 years too but one argument in his favor is he's 51 not 66.

I tried to edit that post before it got locked. My main preference is that Harbaugh remains, becomes more laissez faire about the offense, hires a competent, experienced OC and gives them a large degree of autonomy, I think that would be the best possible situation but not sure if that is something Harbaugh would even consider.





Beyond that, if its an outside candidate, I hope they can get most of the defensive staff to stay and have enough common sense to leave the defense alone. If this offense can even improve enough to be average....then this team is a Superbowl contender.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think you could see a guy like Morhinweg as the OC if Holmgren became the coach.

As long as Holmgren was restricted to coaching duties and had no powers on the personnel side beyond what the average coach has, Id be okay with him.

This is how I see it as well. Don't see the 9ers getting rid of both Harbaugh and Baalke so the latter would stay and still be GM. Not sure about Morningweg though...he's 52. I think Holmgren would likely work with a young OC taken from the college ranks. If they could find someone in their late 30s or early 40s it would set them up for HC in a few years...if they develop.

Gruden is 51 and would be a bit more egotistical...might clash with Baalke.

My major concern with a younger, inexperienced guy would be having no mentor on staff. Guess they could go out an find one...

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think you could see a guy like Morhinweg as the OC if Holmgren became the coach.

As long as Holmgren was restricted to coaching duties and had no powers on the personnel side beyond what the average coach has, Id be okay with him.

Mornhinweg or brad childress.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
This is how I see it as well. Don't see the 9ers getting rid of both Harbaugh and Baalke so the latter would stay and still be GM. Not sure about Morningweg though...he's 52. I think Holmgren would likely work with a young OC taken from the college ranks. If they could find someone in their late 30s or early 40s it would set them up for HC in a few years...if they develop.

Gruden is 51 and would be a bit more egotistical...might clash with Baalke.

May major concern with a younger, inexperienced guy would be having no mentor on staff. Guess they could go out an find one...

If Gruden tried to bring in a guy like Bruce Allen or Lombardi to be GM Id be pissed

Thats how things went south with the Bucs. Gruden basically pushed McKay, the guy who built that whole team, out the door and brought in Allen as his own appointed puppet. It was a disaster.

Originally posted by Hopper:
brad childress.

If I see that pedophile looking weirdo with the 49ers Id be really upset.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If Gruden tried to bring in a guy like Bruce Allen or Lombardi to be GM Id be pissed

Thats how things went south with the Bucs. Gruden basically pushed McKay, the guy who built that whole team, out the door and brought in Allen as his own appointed puppet. It was a disaster.

That would be a deal breaker for me. I think some continuity is good when the team is as strong as the niners...and much credit has to go to Baalke.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I tried to edit that post before it got locked. My main preference is that Harbaugh remains, becomes more laissez faire about the offense, hires a competent, experienced OC and gives them a large degree of autonomy, I think that would be the best possible situation but not sure if that is something Harbaugh would even consider

Beyond that, if its an outside candidate, I hope they can get most of the defensive staff to stay and have enough common sense to leave the defense alone. If this offense can even improve enough to be average....then this team is a Superbowl contender.

100 percent agree. I think it's best Harbaugh remains and tries to change his stubborn ways a bit. Let a passing OC come in and run that part. Sure he will have some say but dont control them or we will be in the same boat as before. Don't abandon the run but we need a guy who can help us out in the pass game. Like you said though doubt harbaugh changes his ways, he will probably leave because he is to loyal to get rid of his o staff (minus rathman) or even at the minimum Roman and Solari. I don't think any guy on the list of candidates is a better coach than Harbaugh but maybe Harbaugh is better at rebuilding a team than he is keeping it going. Maybe he gets too antsy wants to move on and start fresh from the ground up again. So I hope Harbaugh stays, lays off the stubbornness and brings in someone who is more pass oriented as oc and brings in a new o staff with that oc. Then of course keep the D staff the same. If harbaugh is willing to do that then I'd extend him and pay him what he wants. I really think it's a waste if we lose Harbaugh and don't get more than a 1st swap or 2nd round out of it. He's really worth multiple 1sts in my eyes teh way he can turn a team around. Like I said no FA or draft pick you take can change a franchise the way he has (minus a few elite qbs).

2nd option you start wondering is it better in today's game to go for a gase/hamilton type and a passing offense or with this team already built and d/run oriented go with likely safer option in Fangio, Tomsula, Bowles, even Gruden. I really worry though if Harbaugh goes he will take most of the d staff with him and then we are starting over with that and I don't think any coach could put together a d staff as good has harbaugh has.

Edit: And you guys brought up a good point if Baalke stays and picks who does he have a connection with? Is York hiring the new HC? York would be more likely to go with a big name, Baalke more someone he has a connection with or say Fangio/Tomsula.

I see a lot of people on here that are advocating for the WCO. As great as it was I think it's way past its prime. Some of the concepts are still good but the offense itself, like many others that have been around for a long time, has been dissected by defenses and is no longer viable IMO. Our running schemes had / have been great and creative but our pass offensive scheme has been awful. If we can get back to that and fix the passing offense we'd be fine. Whoever comes in has to believe in and commit to the run game if we are to win.

Originally posted by Gore_21:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I tried to edit that post before it got locked. My main preference is that Harbaugh remains, becomes more laissez faire about the offense, hires a competent, experienced OC and gives them a large degree of autonomy, I think that would be the best possible situation but not sure if that is something Harbaugh would even consider

Beyond that, if its an outside candidate, I hope they can get most of the defensive staff to stay and have enough common sense to leave the defense alone. If this offense can even improve enough to be average....then this team is a Superbowl contender.

100 percent agree. I think it's best Harbaugh remains and tries to change his stubborn ways a bit. Let a passing OC come in and run that part. Sure he will have some say but dont control them or we will be in the same boat as before. Don't abandon the run but we need a guy who can help us out in the pass game. Like you said though doubt harbaugh changes his ways, he will probably leave because he is to loyal to get rid of his o staff (minus rathman) or even at the minimum Roman and Solari. I don't think any guy on the list of candidates is a better coach than Harbaugh but maybe Harbaugh is better at rebuilding a team than he is keeping it going. Maybe he gets too antsy wants to move on and start fresh from the ground up again. So I hope Harbaugh stays, lays off the stubbornness and brings in someone who is more pass oriented as oc and brings in a new o staff with that oc. Then of course keep the D staff the same. If harbaugh is willing to do that then I'd extend him and pay him what he wants. I really think it's a waste if we lose Harbaugh and don't get more than a 1st swap or 2nd round out of it. He's really worth multiple 1sts in my eyes teh way he can turn a team around. Like I said no FA or draft pick you take can change a franchise the way he has (minus a few elite qbs).

2nd option you start wondering is it better in today's game to go for a gase/hamilton type and a passing offense or with this team already built and d/run oriented go with likely safer option in Fangio, Tomsula, Bowles, even Gruden. I really worry though if Harbaugh goes he will take most of the d staff with him and then we are starting over with that and I don't think any coach could put together a d staff as good has harbaugh has.

Edit: And you guys brought up a good point if Baalke stays and picks who does he have a connection with? Is York hiring the new HC? York would be more likely to go with a big name, Baalke more someone he has a connection with or say Fangio/Tomsula.

I agree. I just hope and pray we don't try to mimic the rest of the league and try to go with some b******t spread, throw the ball 40 times a game' offense. It's been proven time and time again that it doesn't work. Baalke tried to hire Parcells before so he's not afraid of the big name.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I agree. I just hope and pray we don't try to mimic the rest of the league and try to go with some b******t spread, throw the ball 40 times a game' offense. It's been proven time and time again that it doesn't work. Baalke tried to hire Parcells before so he's not afraid of the big name.

Not saying he's afraid of a big name but he had ties to parcells so not like he just randomly went out and wanted a big name hc. I just think in general if York does the hiring he would be more likely to go with the fans and get a Gruden/Holmgren big name the fans like. Baalke would be less likely but not saying it is out of the question.

"The 49ers general manager has a relationship with Parcells that dates back to 1998 when Baalke was a scout for the Jets."

And yeah my twin brother is a cowboys fan and for 5-10 years the cowboys passed it and didnt run enough and it got them nowhere. The first year they beef up the Oline and run the ball with a good rb and they are the best they have been in 5-6 years. And yeah that 40+ times a game every game really doesn't work. Even with Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers their teams were at their best ad were SB teams the year they could run the ball. So yeah I'd like someone who is pass oriented at OC but still have Rathman or Harbaugh working on the run game and making sure we don't abandon that. Maybe pass short to set up the run like the WCO, more draws and delays... and get rid of the jumbo for pete's sake.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I see a lot of people on here that are advocating for the WCO. As great as it was I think it's way past its prime. Some of the concepts are still good but the offense itself, like many others that have been around for a long time, has been dissected by defenses and is no longer viable IMO. Our running schemes had / have been great and creative but our pass offensive scheme has been awful. If we can get back to that and fix the passing offense we'd be fine. Whoever comes in has to believe in and commit to the run game if we are to win.

WCO is not just an offensive scheme, it's a way of looking at the offense in a pass first, take what the defense gives you, horizontal system. It has many versions and the original was built to morph in any direction depending on personnel and opponent. To think that the Montana WCO was a static thing is just not accurate.

There were games when the fullback caught 20 passes and others where the WRs caught them all. They ran when the defense was desperately trying to stop the pass, and passed when the defense adjusted.

The key is--you have to have someone capable of adjusting playcalling and you have to have players who can read the D together and adjust. It begins by teaching every position how to maximize their advantages over the opponent and to use precision so every time the play is run players are in the correct position for success.

Snoop dogg. Brings the swagger back to our offense and Kap would be happy

Originally posted by 49ERnation:
Snoop dogg. Brings the swagger back to our offense and Kap would be happy

Hire Holmgren, Holmgren hires Shurmur from Philly to be OC (if Philly allows them to. With Kelly being pretty successful in Philly, getting a better job than OC in SF then eventually the HC job with the Niners even if he has to wait a few years, Shurmur can't beat that ) and after Holmgren for 2-3 years Shurmur is here to be his successor.

Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Hire Holmgren, Holmgren hires Shurmur from Philly to be OC (if Philly allows them to. With Kelly being pretty successful in Philly, getting a better job than OC in SF then eventually the HC job with the Niners even if he has to wait a few years, Shurmur can't beat that ) and after Holmgren for 2-3 years Shurmur is here to be his successor.

You can't pull a guy from another staff for a lateral move if he still has a contract, no chance in hell Philly would approve that.