Time to Retool – 2015 Outlook | Page 7

NCommand · 2014-12-09T11:22:28-08:00

I know we're in the middle of a doom-and-gloom season but wanted to get a head start on some positive thinking going forward. Where's Waldo? Many franchises struggle with even identifying what their issues are. In our case, we know EXACTLY where Waldo is and he was actually found late last year. I believe this was one of the reasons Harbaugh was not signed to a LT contract and was in a "Prove it!"-year. But Harbaugh and his offensive philosophy, play book, game planning and staff have failed and to me, he and this team has since checked out. It's over. HaRoman will be gone…b/c they have to go as a package deal. And there will be a new offensive-minded HC/OC brought in here with some serious credibility. You can bet Baalke has been on this since late last season if not longer. Current Offensive Personnel: QB: Colin Kaepernick; Blaine Gabbert & Josh Johnson RB: Frank Gore; Carlos Hyde & Alfonso Smith, Phillip Tanner & Kendall Gaskins (Kendall Hunter) H-Back: (Derek Carrier) TE: Vernon Davis; Asante Cleveland & Xavier Grimble (Vance McDonald & Garrett Celek) FB: Bruce Miller; (Trey Millard) X: Anquan Boldin; Brandon Lloyd & Bruce Ellington (Chuck Jacobs) Y (SLOT): Stevie Johnson; Quinton Patton, Trindon Holiday & Lance Lewis Z: Michael Crabtree; (Kassim Osgood) LOT: Joe Staley (Luke Marquardt) ROT: Anthony Davis; Jonathan Martin & Chris Martin (Fou Fonoti) LG: Mike Iupati; Andrew Tiller (Brandon Thomas) RG: Joe Looney; (Alex Boone) C: Marcus Martin; Dillon Farrell (Daniel Kilgore) Overall: There is a lot of very young to young talent on offense in Colin Kaepernick, Blaine Gabbert, Carlos Hyde, Derek Carrier,Vance McDonald, Bruce Miller, Trey Millard, Bruce Ellington, Stevie Johnson, Quinton Patton, Luke Marquardt, Brandon Thomas, Joe Looney, Dillon Farrell, Marcus Martin,Daniel Kilgore, etc. Current Defensive Personnel: RDE: Justin Smith; Tank Carradine & *Lawrence Okoye LDE: Tony Jerrod-Eddie (Kaleb Ramsey) NT: Quinton Dial; Mike Purcell & Garrison Smith (Glenn Dorsey & Ian Williams) WILL: Aldon Smith; Dan Skuta & Corey Lemonier SAM: Aaron Lynch; Ahmad Brooks & Chase Thomas MIKE: Nick Moody; Desmond Bishop (Patrick Willis & Chris Borland) TED: Michael Wilhoite; Shayne Skov (Navarro Bowman) RCB: Chris Culliver; Leon McFadden & Cameron Fuller (Keith Reaser) LCB: Dontae Johnson; Tramaine Brock & Marcus Cromartie (Chris Cook & Kenneth Acker) SLOT/NICKLE: Perrish Cox (Jimmie Ward) FS: Eric Reid; Craig Dahl (Bubba Ventrone) SS: Antoine Bethea; L.J. McCray * pending where Tomsula ends up Overall: What more needs to be said? This is a top 5 defensive unit right now without Aldon, Willis, Bowman, Dorsey, Williams, Brock, etc. Current Special Teams: LS: Kyle Nelson PK: Phil Dawson P: Andy Lee PR/KOR: Bruce Ellington, Trindon Holiday, Perrish Cox & Carlos Hyde Overall: This group seems stable and may add some competition with a dynamic burner for the return game via WR/CB/S, etc.. 2015 UFA: (Free agents with 4 year NFL experience) QB Blaine Gabbert QB Josh Johnson RB Frank Gore RB Alfonso Smith RB Phillip Tanner WR Michael Crabtree WR Brandon Lloyd WR Kassim Osgood OG Mike Iupati DE Dan Skuta ILB Desmond Bishop CB Chris Culliver CB Perris Cox CB Chris Cook S Bubby Ventrone NOTE: CB Cameron Fuller is already under contract in 2015. 2015 RFA: (Free agents with 3 year NFL experience) TE Garrett Celek ILB Michael Wilhoite LOS Kyle Nelson 2015 ERFA: (free agents with 2 year NFL experience) DE Tony Jerod-Eddie Cap, pronounced, Kaep: (Base Salary)(Dead Money)(Cap Savings) With the cap increase and roll-over, we're expected to have roughly $2M before cuts in 2015. Here are our top cap guys. We're going to open some space up most likely with the departures of (or serious considerations for): Brooks, J.Smith, Gore, Crabtree, Lloyd, Iupati, V.Davis, etc. The new HC/OC will want to retool his OL and with play-makers for his system while bringing in role-players that fits the scheme as well. So we may be moving away from plodders in the OL and look to more athleticism with guys such as Kilgore, Thomas, Boone (left tackle), Staley (right tackle), etc. Colin Kaepernick ($10,400,000)($9,863,013)($5,402,740) Aldon Smith ($9,754,000)($0)($9,754,000) Ahmad Brooks ($6,000,000)($5,546,250)($4,102,500) NaVorro Bowman ($4,700,000)($8,016,000)($388,000) Patrick Willis ($7,065,000)($843,500)($7,424,500) Vernon Davis ($4,350,000)($2,067,920)($4,950,000) Anquan Boldin ($5,500,000)($3,636,000)($3,273,000) Anthony Davis ($2,350,000)($6,366,670)($350,000) Ray McDonald ($4,100,000)($4,609,971)($1,866,014) Justin Smith ($2,650,000)($2,186,668)($4,250,000) Front Office: When was the last time this FO had a draft pick this high and with so few "needs?" Never! SOS…not Save Our Souls! but... And now our Strength-Of-Schedule will be better too with our seeding; the perfect recipe for a newly installed offensive system to start the year; (Away) Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Arizona and St. Louis. (Home) Green Bay, Minnesota, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Seattle, Arizona and St. Louis. Entering the final weekend, the Carolina Panthers, Atlanta Falcons and New Orleans Saints could all potentially finish third in the NFC South, while the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are set to finish fourth.

Dec 15, 2014 at 12:03 PM

#91

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Originally posted by captveg:
We would play the 3rd or 4th place team in the NFC East / South. That means either the Giants or Redskins and the Bucs or whoever finishes 3rd in the NFC South crapfest.

Love that deal when it boils down to home field playoff game discussion. These are the 2 games that separate making it in and hosting games. And we know where the SB is going to be

Dec 15, 2014 at 4:22 PM

#92

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Originally posted by jbeale49:

Originally posted by captveg:
We would play the 3rd or 4th place team in the NFC East / South. That means either the Giants or Redskins and the Bucs or whoever finishes 3rd in the NFC South crapfest.

Love that deal when it boils down to home field playoff game discussion. These are the 2 games that separate making it in and hosting games. And we know where the SB is going to be

Dec 15, 2014 at 5:00 PM

#93

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I havent read this whole thread, so maybe it was addressed in here......but something I almost never hear Niner fans, analysts, or reporters talk about is how poor our return game is. And not just when Ellington was hurt. All season long.

Our long kickoff return on the season is 38 yards. Our long punt return on the season is 23 yards. Those numbers are a JOKE.

Games can be changed by a big kickoff or punt return. That is something that is severely lacking with our team and hope it is addressed next season. But seeing as how it has been a problem for us since Ginn left, I doubt we will address it.

Dec 15, 2014 at 7:19 PM

#94

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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I havent read this whole thread, so maybe it was addressed in here......but something I almost never hear Niner fans, analysts, or reporters talk about is how poor our return game is. And not just when Ellington was hurt. All season long.

Our long kickoff return on the season is 38 yards. Our long punt return on the season is 23 yards. Those numbers are a JOKE.

Games can be changed by a big kickoff or punt return. That is something that is severely lacking with our team and hope it is addressed next season. But seeing as how it has been a problem for us since Ginn left, I doubt we will address it.

Best name in NT. Epic. All I can picture is Wallace relentlessly going after Jr. Seau in the Superbowl evergreen after the whistle. That DOME!

Anyway I could not agree more. We are SO boring on ST no doubt. Always have been.

Dec 15, 2014 at 7:27 PM

#95

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I havent read this whole thread, so maybe it was addressed in here......but something I almost never hear Niner fans, analysts, or reporters talk about is how poor our return game is. And not just when Ellington was hurt. All season long.

Our long kickoff return on the season is 38 yards. Our long punt return on the season is 23 yards. Those numbers are a JOKE.

Games can be changed by a big kickoff or punt return. That is something that is severely lacking with our team and hope it is addressed next season. But seeing as how it has been a problem for us since Ginn left, I doubt we will address it.

Best name in NT. Epic. All I can picture is Wallace relentlessly going after Jr. Seau in the Superbowl evergreen after the whistle. That DOME!

Anyway I could not agree more. We are SO boring on ST no doubt. Always have been.

Dec 30, 2014 at 6:26 AM

#96

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A ton of talent to work with. It all starts with the offensive philosophy, the HC/OC who can teach the game, it's subtle details for success, etc. We need that chess player!

Dec 30, 2014 at 8:32 AM

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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I havent read this whole thread, so maybe it was addressed in here......but something I almost never hear Niner fans, analysts, or reporters talk about is how poor our return game is. And not just when Ellington was hurt. All season long.

Our long kickoff return on the season is 38 yards. Our long punt return on the season is 23 yards. Those numbers are a JOKE.

Games can be changed by a big kickoff or punt return. That is something that is severely lacking with our team and hope it is addressed next season. But seeing as how it has been a problem for us since Ginn left, I doubt we will address it.

We signed Trindon Holiday for that.

Dec 30, 2014 at 8:58 AM

#98

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Players likely to be off the 49ers roster in 2015: Justin Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Perrish Cox -or- Chris Culliver, Michael Crabtree, Brandon Lloyd, Mike Iupati, Jonathan Martin. And if we restructure the contracts of S. Johnson, Kaepernick, and a few others, we can afford to sign 1 blue chip free agent and 2 second tier free agents.

- Torrey Smith - WR, Baltimore Ravens - we all know this guy. Great speed, smooth route runner. Plus we have Anquan Boldin on our team to help recruit him. This could be our blue chip signing. Mike Wallace could be another guy we look at if Smith's price is out of whack.

- Pernell McPhee, DE/LB, Baltimore Ravens Info - rotational player right now, but he can split time with Aaron Lynch at one OLB spot. 8 sacks, 20 QB hits, and 35 QB pressures...not bad. Skuta, Lynch, Aldon, and McPhee with Lemonier continuing to develop...that's a good damn combination.

- Jared Odrick, DT/DE, Miami Dolphins Info - Odrick can replace Smith, while Tank and Dial can compete for McDonald's role.

With those three signings, it opens up a lot more options in the NFL draft - including trading down to pick up an extra 3rd. You could come away with Devin Funchness (WR), Arik Armstead (DT/DE), Tre Jackson (OG), Jay Ajayi (RB), and Ladarius Gunter (CB) in the first 4 rounds of the draft. And that's a reload.

Dec 30, 2014 at 9:17 AM

#99

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Originally posted by NCommand:
A ton of talent to work with. It all starts with the offensive philosophy, the HC/OC who can teach the game, it's subtle details for success, etc. We need that chess player!

The sooner the better

Dec 30, 2014 at 11:14 AM

#100

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Originally posted by NCommand:
A ton of talent to work with. It all starts with the offensive philosophy, the HC/OC who can teach the game, it's subtle details for success, etc. We need that chess player!

Still concerned about the philosophy fitting the personnel. One reason I like Shanahan is his line blocking schemes...which our guys might struggle to accomplish. So I can see some major changes on the roster...depending on who the coach is. One thing a new coach will need to do is tell the OL if they don't improve in pass protection they won't be on the team long. Line might eventually be Staley/Thomas/Kilgore/M Martin/Boone or a rookie at RT. If they throw a bunch of money at Iupati I will be disappointed.

One of Walsh's great abilities was to create and call plays with options built in for varying defenses. Having the QB read progressions was key and Kaepernick has to learn that skill if the WCO is installed.

A list of key players for next year--if they use a WCO:

QB: a vet to compete with CK.
RB: Hunter, Hyde, rookie
FB: Millard, Miller
WR: Boldin, Johnson, Ellington, Patton, rookie
OL: Staley, Kilgore, Thomas, M Martin...others as they fit the scheme.

DL: J Smith, Carradine, Williams, Dorsey, Dial, Jerod-Eddy, rookie, FA?
LB: A Smith, Willis, Bowman, Lynch, Borland, Moody, FA, rookie
CB: Brock, Johnson, FA, rookie, Reaser, Acker
S: Bethea, Ward, Reid, Dahl, FA, rookie

Young players to be excited about:
Borland
Hyde
Ward
Thomas
M Martin
Reaser
Acker
Ellington
Patton
Johnson
Ramsey
Millard
Carradine
McDonald
Dial

Questions about development: can these guys become starters? Contributors?
Patton
Lemonier
Carradine
Ward
Okoye
Skov

Dec 30, 2014 at 11:22 AM

#101

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Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A ton of talent to work with. It all starts with the offensive philosophy, the HC/OC who can teach the game, it's subtle details for success, etc. We need that chess player!

Still concerned about the philosophy fitting the personnel. One reason I like Shanahan is his line blocking schemes...which our guys might struggle to accomplish. So I can see some major changes on the roster...depending on who the coach is. One thing a new coach will need to do is tell the OL if they don't improve in pass protection they won't be on the team long. Line might eventually be Staley/Thomas/Kilgore/M Martin/Boone or a rookie at RT. If they throw a bunch of money at Iupati I will be disappointed.

One of Walsh's great abilities was to create and call plays with options built in for varying defenses. Having the QB read progressions was key and Kaepernick has to learn that skill if the WCO is installed.

A list of key players for next year--if they use a WCO:

QB: a vet to compete with CK.
RB: Hunter, Hyde, rookie
FB: Millard, Miller
WR: Boldin, Johnson, Ellington, Patton, rookie
OL: Staley, Kilgore, Thomas, M Martin...others as they fit the scheme.

DL: J Smith, Carradine, Williams, Dorsey, Dial, Jerod-Eddy, rookie, FA?
LB: A Smith, Willis, Bowman, Lynch, Borland, Moody, FA, rookie
CB: Brock, Johnson, FA, rookie, Reaser, Acker
S: Bethea, Ward, Reid, Dahl, FA, rookie

Young players to be excited about:
Borland
Hyde
Ward
Thomas
M Martin
Reaser
Acker
Ellington
Patton
Johnson
Ramsey
Millard
Carradine
McDonald
Dial

Questions about development: can these guys become starters? Contributors?
Patton
Lemonier
Carradine
Ward
Okoye
Skov

Very well done!!!

Okoye is my major dark horse. Imagine if he can put it all together!

Dec 31, 2014 at 3:03 AM

#102

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Okoye is my major dark horse. Imagine if he can put it all together!

MaioccoCSN

49ers sign five practice-squaders to new deals. Lawrence Okoye and Shayne Skov were not among them.

Reserve/Future Contracts

RB Kendall Gaskins
TE Xavier Grimble
WR Lance Lewis
T Chris Martin
NT Garrison Smith

Dec 31, 2014 at 6:15 AM

#103

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Originally posted by DeUh:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Okoye is my major dark horse. Imagine if he can put it all together!

MaioccoCSN

49ers sign five practice-squaders to new deals. Lawrence Okoye and Shayne Skov were not among them.

Reserve/Future Contracts

RB Kendall Gaskins
TE Xavier Grimble
WR Lance Lewis
T Chris Martin
NT Garrison Smith

Awseome. You do you have the final list of current 53. I.R., etc?

Dec 31, 2014 at 7:32 AM

#104

DeUh
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Awseome. You do you have the final list of current 53. I.R., etc?

Final 53 Man Roster

QB: Colin Kaepernick, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Johnson
RB: Frank Gore, Carlos Hyde, Alfonso Smith, Phillip Tanner
FB: Bruce Miller
WR: Anquan Boldin, Michael Crabtree, Stevie Johnson, Bruce Ellington, Quinton Patton, Brandon Llyod, Trindon Holiday
TE: Vernon Davis, Asante Cleveland
OT: Joe Staley, Anthony Davis, Jonathan Martin
OG: Mike Iupati, Joe Looney, Andrew Tiller
C: Marcus Martin, Dillon Farrell

NT: Mike Purcel
lDE: Justin Smith, Tony Jerod-Eddie, Tank Carradine, Quinton Dial
OLB: Aldon Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Aaron Lynch, Dan Skuta, Corey Lemonier, Chase Thomas
ILB: Michael Wilhoite, Nick Moody, Desmond Bishop
CB: Tramaine Brock, Chris Culliver, Perrish Cox, Dontae Johnson, Leon McFadden, Marcus Cromartie, Cameron Fuller
S: Antoine Bethea, Eric Reid, Craig Dahl, L.J. McCray

K: Phil Dawson
P: Andy Lee
LOS: Kyle Nelson

Reserve/Injured

RB Kendall Hunter
FB Trey Millard
WR Kassim Osgood
WR Chuck Jacobs
TE Vance McDonald
TE Derek Carrier
TE Garrett Celek
OT Fou Fonoti
OG Alex Boone
OG Brandon Thomas
C Daniel Kilgore
NT Glenn Dorsey
NT Ian Williams
DE Kaleb Ramsey
ILB Patrick Willis
ILB NaVorro Bowman
ILB Chris Borland
CB Chris Cook
CB Keith Reaser
CB Kenneth Acker
DB Jimmie Ward
S Bubbba Ventrone

Reserve/Future Contracts

RB Kendall Gaskins
WR Lance Lewis
TE Xavier Grimble
OT Chris Martin
DL Garrison Smith

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2015 UFA

QB Blaine Gabbert
QB Josh Johnson
RB Frank Gore
RB Alfonso Smith
RB Phillip Tanner
WR Michael Crabtree
WR Brandon Lloyd
WR Kassim Osgood
OG Mike Iupati
DE Dan Skuta
ILB Desmond Bishop
CB Chris Culliver
CB Perris Cox
CB Chris Cook
S Bubby Ventrone

2015 RFA

TE Garrett Celek
ILB Michael Wilhoite
LOS Kyle Nelson

2015 ERFA

DE Tony Jerod-Eddie

*OT Luke Marquardt, DE Lawrence Okoye, ILB Shayne Skov

[ Edited by DeUh on Jan 1, 2015 at 9:10 PM ]

Dec 31, 2014 at 8:05 AM

#105

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^^^ The man, all year long. Thanks DeUh. OP updated. Ready for assessment of needs!