Week 9 - 2014: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

49ers shoulda tried that Tebow fake QB Dive playaction TD pass to VMAC because no way Rams would expect a pass to VMAC.

Originally posted by bleedredandgold:
Heres the real reason for our downward spiral ...
remember when kap came in and what we did that year , well it was because we were a run first power take yr head off team . That made things easier for kap , teams feared the run . Now with kap being our leader and shiny new toy were trying to become the broncos and make kap into peyton . We need to go back to making peoples noses bleed from the run game and our beloved niners will b fine . When kap came in he ran with authority and took off when he wanted too , now were trying to make him sit in a pocket and throw .. let kap be himself and he will regain his form . Give gore the ball roman you idiot .

That's ideally what we all want, but at the same time it seems so hard to establish the run with Gore these days versus the old days.

I thought the Cowboys game the way Gore and Hyde ran, hmmmm....maybe we're back. But now it seems like we are considered a good power running team more by reputation than reality. Seattle seems to still have it somewhat.

I miss seeing some of the great Gore/Hunter runs of 2011/2012. It made the offense click so much.

I really don't know what the answer is. I would assume it's really the OL....not sure an Adrian Peterson could come in and do a whole lot better. And if so, maybe he's the only one.

If anything, what you do by smashing the ball with our current system/talent is put the team in a lot of 3rd and short.

I'd kill for a bit of a dink and dunk offense at this point.

Originally posted by thl408:

Tough angle to see, but the defender that may have forced the bad throw is the safety (#23). Not the CB on Crabs. Not the defender on VD.

They blitzed the left side which prevents a cut back to that side. This left vd, crabs, boldin and gore trying to work the right. They had the safety sprint to seal the edge and force a run back inside and have vd covered as well.

Gotta make it harder on the dc. He's got 3 of the 4 threats covered. That safety gets there a step earlier and its a pick. They should have put vd on the left and gore on the right. This way they've got to worry about vd on the left, gore going right and crabs. They had the perfect playcall for the play. Kap threw a respectable throw with what he had. If he threw it like 23 wasn't a factor that's a pick. Crabs caught the ball gained posession and had a knee down while the ball was still in the endzone. Bad call, move on it happens all the time. The team shouldn't have let themselves be backed into a corner like that.

looks like the better throw was to Boldin on that play...but blah...i didnt see this game so the blow to my psyche is much less

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
looks like the better throw was to Boldin on that play...but blah...i didnt see this game so the blow to my psyche is much less

I actually thought this myself as it happened...#23 sold out underneath on the Crabtree route, and I think CK saw this so he had to go more low & away with his throw to avoid deflection or even pick. But when 23 vacated the area right around the numbers, that gave a nice throwing lane to Boldin who had inside position on his man.

That said, I'm not going to get into the "bad read' stuff re: CK...if he makes just a slightly better throw by a matter of inches it's a TD, not to mention it can be argued it was a TD anyway.

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Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by thl408:
Tough angle to see, but the defender that may have forced the bad throw is the safety (#23). Not the CB on Crabs. Not the defender on VD.

They blitzed the left side which prevents a cut back to that side. This left vd, crabs, boldin and gore trying to work the right. They had the safety sprint to seal the edge and force a run back inside and have vd covered as well.

Gotta make it harder on the dc. He's got 3 of the 4 threats covered. That safety gets there a step earlier and its a pick. They should have put vd on the left and gore on the right. This way they've got to worry about vd on the left, gore going right and crabs. They had the perfect playcall for the play. Kap threw a respectable throw with what he had. If he threw it like 23 wasn't a factor that's a pick. Crabs caught the ball gained posession and had a knee down while the ball was still in the endzone. Bad call, move on it happens all the time. The team shouldn't have let themselves be backed into a corner like that.

This is a good point. The design makes it easy to see the flood side (our right side) and if you do ANY scouting on SF (like the Rams) and you see Crabtree split out wide, who would you cover here? Duh. That said, you've got Johnson down in 1on1 in press on the left (non-flood side). I can't see if he wins or not but that probably s/h/b your primary receiver here. Also, the other part of the poor design is that we ask CK to roll right...and throw on the run making that front corner of the EZ extra tight. Had we just kept him in shotgun and he threw it before Crabtree broke to the right, that's an easy TD. But asking him to roll right WHILE Crabtree also breaks right to the front corner of the EZ makes your window very tight...throwing on the run and low also makes the ball dive down naturally as well.

Originally posted by thl408:

Tough angle to see, but the defender that may have forced the bad throw is the safety (#23). Not the CB on Crabs. Not the defender on VD.

#23 seems to really be buzzing the flat. Whether to get in front of the out or take away qb run. This appears to be good scouting of our tendancies. I wonder if we drag vd across the formation if we could catchy him wide open on a play like this. Maybe flip gores side for blocking and try to catch them with vd backside.

Originally posted by DelCed2486:
I actually thought this myself as it happened...#23 sold out underneath on the Crabtree route, and I think CK saw this so he had to go more low & away with his throw to avoid deflection or even pick. But when 23 vacated the area right around the numbers, that gave a nice throwing lane to Boldin who had inside position on his man.

That said, I'm not going to get into the "bad read' stuff re: CK...if he makes just a slightly better throw by a matter of inches it's a TD, not to mention it can be argued it was a TD anyway.

with that even being said, the play design is bad anyway...why even attempt to score a game winner on that little a margin for error...these are the types of things that falls on the play caller...CK has to roll out and make a single read on something like this because of course the D will have their ears pinned back and it aint like the OL has played great all day

1. I have never thought for a second that Lattimore was ever going to be a legit NFL player once we drafted him. Horrific injuries and the RB position is just a next man up mentality. Everyone on here will forget about him by next Monday.

2. I never got to watch the game because i was at the Vikings/Skins game (and i forgot to record it) but judging by the 4434343 sacks we gave up, did Roman call any screens to RB or WR, or any mis direction plays, forcing the d-lineman to at least hesitate?

3. Have we not learned for Seattle game last year in playoffs and Super Bowl, last drive NEVER throw to Crabtree? I trust Boldin and even SJ 100x more than Crabs.

4. Another game where i see Zero rush game. Ppl think we have a great rush attack. We dont.

5. Defence from what i can see from the Rams offensive stats, BALLED out and did everything they could to win. TD came from a Kaep fumble, Andy Lee shack punt gave them another short field for a FG.

The Rams always play us tough so i am not shocked at all. Roman, Harbaugh, Kaep need to admit that our O-line has some holes, mix up the play calling, etc. and get this offense going. If i saw "49ers cut Vernon Davis" right now, would i be shocked OR mad....NOPE.

But on to next week @ Saints. Whether we score that last TD to win the game last week or not, I still dont think we beat the Saints on the road. Brees will find holes in our secondary, and the saints will blitz Kaep and likely create some turn overs. This year i dont see us any better than 8-8, or 9-7.

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

I actually thought this myself as it happened...#23 sold out underneath on the Crabtree route, and I think CK saw this so he had to go more low & away with his throw to avoid deflection or even pick. But when 23 vacated the area right around the numbers, that gave a nice throwing lane to Boldin who had inside position on his man.

That said, I'm not going to get into the "bad read' stuff re: CK...if he makes just a slightly better throw by a matter of inches it's a TD, not to mention it can be argued it was a TD anyway.

If boldin would have ran an inside route but, he ran an out route. So the play design was to put one of our most effective receivers on the backside of a rollout that pretty much eliminated him as an option. Than put all threats on one side of the field. So the defense doesn't have to cover the long ball because they're on the 1 or whatever and they dont have to cover an entire half of the field. Boldin was covered by his guy plus crabs guy and crabs was covered by his guy and the safety. 3 players bracket every option the play had.

My mistake crabs guy was in no position to help with Boldin but, Anquan's defender was on his hip.

Originally posted by Bobbi9698:

Originally posted by tondiman:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Gotta admit...bummin' in a big way this AM. Trying to be objective, but this is pretty rough...


1) Kap: Same as most games. Not great. Not terrible. Disjointed performance. Great play on the Boldin TD. Not a ton to say as its difficult to say much in regards to him as he was under pressure all day long.

Two fumbles (three if you count the double fumble on the last play), getting sacked 8 times (as bad as the oline has been, he NEVER throws the ball away), missing receivers on easy passes, and other headscratchers...... I would say its easy to say a lot.

He got pressured a lot, but he's making horrible decisions, and is missing throws when he's not pressured.

He is not a smart QB and he is not improving...he is physically gifted, but other teams are well aware of his limitations.

BS.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Bobbi9698:

Originally posted by tondiman:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Gotta admit...bummin' in a big way this AM. Trying to be objective, but this is pretty rough...


1) Kap: Same as most games. Not great. Not terrible. Disjointed performance. Great play on the Boldin TD. Not a ton to say as its difficult to say much in regards to him as he was under pressure all day long.

Two fumbles (three if you count the double fumble on the last play), getting sacked 8 times (as bad as the oline has been, he NEVER throws the ball away), missing receivers on easy passes, and other headscratchers...... I would say its easy to say a lot.

He got pressured a lot, but he's making horrible decisions, and is missing throws when he's not pressured.

He is not a smart QB and he is not improving...he is physically gifted, but other teams are well aware of his limitations.

BS.

Can we please stop with the kap isn't good nonsense. He is completing 64% of his passes, has a 12/5 td/int ratio (11/2 taking out bear game s**t show) and a qb rating of 95. Bad QBs don't put up numbers like that especially considering the the state of our OL.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Bobbi9698:

Originally posted by tondiman:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Gotta admit...bummin' in a big way this AM. Trying to be objective, but this is pretty rough...


1) Kap: Same as most games. Not great. Not terrible. Disjointed performance. Great play on the Boldin TD. Not a ton to say as its difficult to say much in regards to him as he was under pressure all day long.

Two fumbles (three if you count the double fumble on the last play), getting sacked 8 times (as bad as the oline has been, he NEVER throws the ball away), missing receivers on easy passes, and other headscratchers...... I would say its easy to say a lot.

He got pressured a lot, but he's making horrible decisions, and is missing throws when he's not pressured.

He is not a smart QB and he is not improving...he is physically gifted, but other teams are well aware of his limitations.

BS.

Can we please stop with the kap isn't good nonsense. He is completing 64% of his passes, has a 12/5 td/int ratio (11/2 taking out bear game s**t show) and a qb rating of 95. Bad QBs don't put up numbers like that especially considering the the state of our OL.

Stop making sense. You'll confuse people.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Marvin, I really feel that the league has figured out Roman. This makes it next to impossible to properly evaluate our players on offense.

Sure, the Oline stunk. But I don't believe they're actually that bad. Teams are scheming against us in such a way that we're in a lose/lose situation. Even when pass plays work, it's always by the slimmest of margins. We never fool anyone. And I believe that our offense, including Kap, is better than that

Totally agree. The opposition's defense seems to know the plays better than our offense does. Pretty easy to figure out whats coming with 2 TEs 1 WR a FB and RB or the 4 and 5 WR sets with empty backfield.