2014 Team Needs - Updates

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Thanks Niners816, I didn't follow the draft that closely back then, I was still in high school that last year.

I always liked Boldin. I know we tried to trade for him from Arizona, but they wanted too much, according to one of the beat writers.

No problem....another thing that makes the '03 draft stick is that in retrospect it was the final tie to anything relating to the dynasty years. Eventhough mooch had just been fired, there was still a feeling around the team that they were at worst a division winning squad and at best a title contender. WR was a need cause the end of TO's contract was looming. The intial reaction to the '03 draft was positive and in fact the niners got junior kwame Harris in the mid-20s and kiper stated had he returned to school he was a potential top 5 pick in '04. Unfortunately as fans we found out this sentiment was wrong. That '03 team was so underperforming and cap issues rose up again they basically blew it all up and essentially fell to almost expansion team level of talent. We had no idea then it would take almost 8 years to be relevant again.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
To answer the question above, I think we could wait till 2015, there are some good Safeties in that class.

Landon Collins* S Alabama
Cody Prewitt S Ole Miss
Josh Havey-Clemons* S Georgia
Josh Shaw S USC
Sam Carter S TCU
Corey Moore S Georgia
Derron Smith S Fresno State
Tevin McDonald S Eastern Washington
Jon Dowling S West Virginia
Durrell Eskridge* S Syracuse

On another note, if we don't get a OG in this draft, like Brandon Thomas, or Looney doesn't step up, there are some good ones in 2015's class.

Tre Jackson OG Florida State
Jon Feliciano OG Miami(Fla.)
Landon Turner* OG North Carolina
Josue Matias OG Florida State
Vadal Alexander OG LSU
Arie Kouandjio OG Alabama
A.J. Cann OG South Carolina
Malcolm Bunche OG Miami(Fla.)
Bobby Hart OG Florida State
John Miller OG Louisville

Ask and you shall receive! Thanks AB...hey, I need you over in the NFL talk forum for calculating Seattle's cap situation (as we already know ours)!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
To answer the question above, I think we could wait till 2015, there are some good Safeties in that class.

Landon Collins* S Alabama
Cody Prewitt S Ole Miss
Josh Havey-Clemons* S Georgia
Josh Shaw S USC
Sam Carter S TCU
Corey Moore S Georgia
Derron Smith S Fresno State
Tevin McDonald S Eastern Washington
Jon Dowling S West Virginia
Durrell Eskridge* S Syracuse

On another note, if we don't get a OG in this draft, like Brandon Thomas, or Looney doesn't step up, there are some good ones in 2015's class.

Tre Jackson OG Florida State
Jon Feliciano OG Miami(Fla.)
Landon Turner* OG North Carolina
Josue Matias OG Florida State
Vadal Alexander OG LSU
Arie Kouandjio OG Alabama
A.J. Cann OG South Carolina
Malcolm Bunche OG Miami(Fla.)
Bobby Hart OG Florida State
John Miller OG Louisville

Ask and you shall receive! Thanks AB...hey, I need you over in the NFL talk forum for calculating their cap situation (as we already know ours)!

Thanks AB! This is the type of list most, if not all, GMs have in their back pocket. Who's coming up over the next few years and how do I keep my team in position to stay competitive? Last year I wasn't happy with the WRs available, but then read a list of this years potential picks...made me smile...but was still sad there were no true first rate WRs likely to fall to the niners last year. That's why I really wanted them to take TE Ertz or a DB. The year before I really wanted Fleener for the same reason...no true star quality WRs available at the 9ers spot. When they drafted Jenkins I was totally blown away...and now I know why...he was a mistake of collossal dimension. Fleener would have offered the team a very good option to expand the TE role, even with the loss of Walker. But I assumed JH didn't fight for Fleener so was OK with it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
To answer the question above, I think we could wait till 2015, there are some good Safeties in that class.

Landon Collins* S Alabama
Cody Prewitt S Ole Miss
Josh Havey-Clemons* S Georgia
Josh Shaw S USC
Sam Carter S TCU
Corey Moore S Georgia
Derron Smith S Fresno State
Tevin McDonald S Eastern Washington
Jon Dowling S West Virginia
Durrell Eskridge* S Syracuse

On another note, if we don't get a OG in this draft, like Brandon Thomas, or Looney doesn't step up, there are some good ones in 2015's class.

Tre Jackson OG Florida State
Jon Feliciano OG Miami(Fla.)
Landon Turner* OG North Carolina
Josue Matias OG Florida State
Vadal Alexander OG LSU
Arie Kouandjio OG Alabama
A.J. Cann OG South Carolina
Malcolm Bunche OG Miami(Fla.)
Bobby Hart OG Florida State
John Miller OG Louisville

Ask and you shall receive! Thanks AB...hey, I need you over in the NFL talk forum for calculating their cap situation (as we already know ours)!

You mean the Seahawks? I could look into that for them. And no problem.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Thanks AB! This is the type of list most, if not all, GMs have in their back pocket. Who's coming up over the next few years and how do I keep my team in position to stay competitive? Last year I wasn't happy with the WRs available, but then read a list of this years potential picks...made me smile...but was still sad there were no true first rate WRs likely to fall to the niners last year. That's why I really wanted them to take TE Ertz or a DB. The year before I really wanted Fleener for the same reason...no true star quality WRs available at the 9ers spot. When they drafted Jenkins I was totally blown away...and now I know why...he was a mistake of collossal dimension. Fleener would have offered the team a very good option to expand the TE role, even with the loss of Walker. But I assumed JH didn't fight for Fleener so was OK with it.

I assume Harbaugh is wary of taking Stanford players for some reason, not sure why though.

Originally posted by Niners816:
No problem....another thing that makes the '03 draft stick is that in retrospect it was the final tie to anything relating to the dynasty years. Eventhough mooch had just been fired, there was still a feeling around the team that they were at worst a division winning squad and at best a title contender. WR was a need cause the end of TO's contract was looming. The intial reaction to the '03 draft was positive and in fact the niners got junior kwame Harris in the mid-20s and kiper stated had he returned to school he was a potential top 5 pick in '04. Unfortunately as fans we found out this sentiment was wrong. That '03 team was so underperforming and cap issues rose up again they basically blew it all up and essentially fell to almost expansion team level of talent. We had no idea then it would take almost 8 years to be relevant again.

Gotcha. I remember that year before when we lost to Tampa I believe. I was never a big Mooch fan.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
I assume Harbaugh is wary of taking Stanford players for some reason, not sure why though.

Yes, it seems so. I wonder if he is always recalling the guys he tried to recruit who were better but got away? "Yes, we got Fleener, but that kid who went to LSU was really a much better athlete." If that's the case then I really get that and he doesn't let sentimentality get in his way. Or perhaps Baalke makes sure he doesn't...either way I'm good with it as they have brought in some great players.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
You mean the Seahawks? I could look into that for them. And no problem.

Yeah sorry, just corrected it. Yes, we've got a lot of the FA's identified and some figures up so having your expertise can really help set the table for expectations fo where we'll be at in the coming years compared to them. I have a theory but would like to back it up per realistic #'s.

Alright NC, draft is just around the corner. You have convinced me we will only get 1 CB early, (but with your case for S noted), and if it requires jumping up to get his guy, trent will do it. Then we get the WR unless there is a C out there worthy of a 2nd round pick. We have to be able to play press coverage, and we have to get kap some more time...ie a C, unless JH is certain that Kilgore or others are able to do the job. But I think we get a C if there is one they really like. After that, IDC.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Alright NC, draft is just around the corner. You have convinced me we will only get 1 CB early, (but with your case for S noted), and if it requires jumping up to get his guy, trent will do it. Then we get the WR unless there is a C out there worthy of a 2nd round pick. We have to be able to play press coverage, and we have to get kap some more time...ie a C, unless JH is certain that Kilgore or others are able to do the job. But I think we get a C if there is one they really like. After that, IDC.

Oh don't let me convince you of anything ol' friend. This is Baalke we are talking about here...he could go QB with the first overall pick and move up doing it. Haha. But yeah, it's no surprise to anyone, anywhere, what our needs are and it will be in some combination of CB/S/WR and probably 2 of each and both being polar opposites of the other (i.e. big-bodied X & Z WR and then a smaller, speedy Y receiver with return abilities). It should be interesting. I love your thoughts on the C position as well (I had Marcus Martin at the 94th pick in my mock). I'll tell you what though, no matter who we pick, I will not be quick or harsh to judge. I'll be doing a lot of research on them, how they would fit in, expectations, etc...trying to ascertain the "big picture" for each pick. Then I will pass judgement. Haha

NC, for me Trent has been a mystery. If I guess the right position, I guess the wrong guy. I don't think I have come close on any of his picks, and I don't even think bad of the AJ pick because I think/I hope he fixed it with Baldwin, a 45 completion guy at KC who had dreck for qBs. So, Trent will pick, I will laugh, and the draft will be over.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
NC, for me Trent has been a mystery. If I guess the right position, I guess the wrong guy. I don't think I have come close on any of his picks, and I don't even think bad of the AJ pick because I think/I hope he fixed it with Baldwin, a 45 completion guy at KC who had dreck for qBs. So, Trent will pick, I will laugh, and the draft will be over.

And all for the better in the end...ha.

I believe the pattern usually goes like this: pick is in...excited anticipation...followed by a NT implosion...followed by, "If he keeps this up, he's a HOFer for sure! Great pick!"

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
NC, for me Trent has been a mystery. If I guess the right position, I guess the wrong guy. I don't think I have come close on any of his picks, and I don't even think bad of the AJ pick because I think/I hope he fixed it with Baldwin, a 45 completion guy at KC who had dreck for qBs. So, Trent will pick, I will laugh, and the draft will be over.

Paso--I have the same view of Baalke so agree that I will let him be the GM and will sit and enjoy the show this week.

Baldwin's best year in the NFL was 21 catches hir rookie year, in 11 games. Next year was 20 catches in 15 games and then last year 3 catches in 7 games. Not sure where you see the 45? I'm OK with the team giving him some time to develop if they have room and believe him to be worth it but if they can fill the spot with a more productive guy then all the better.

That said--Jenkins is the only major mistake Baalke has made and who knows...he may become a star in KC. Overall, the 9er drafts have been really good. Even 2012, the year most decry as being terrible, he picked some good talent. My favorite was Cam Johnson who is still in the league...no easy thing for a 7th rounder. Many believe James was a mistake but given his limited chances he hasn't really disappointed me.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
NC, for me Trent has been a mystery. If I guess the right position, I guess the wrong guy. I don't think I have come close on any of his picks, and I don't even think bad of the AJ pick because I think/I hope he fixed it with Baldwin, a 45 completion guy at KC who had dreck for qBs. So, Trent will pick, I will laugh, and the draft will be over.

Paso--I have the same view of Baalke so agree that I will let him be the GM and will sit and enjoy the show this week.

Baldwin's best year in the NFL was 21 catches hir rookie year, in 11 games. Next year was 20 catches in 15 games and then last year 3 catches in 7 games. Not sure where you see the 45? I'm OK with the team giving him some time to develop if they have room and believe him to be worth it but if they can fill the spot with a more productive guy then all the better.

That said--Jenkins is the only major mistake Baalke has made and who knows...he may become a star in KC. Overall, the 9er drafts have been really good. Even 2012, the year most decry as being terrible, he picked some good talent. My favorite was Cam Johnson who is still in the league...no easy thing for a 7th rounder. Many believe James was a mistake but given his limited chances he hasn't really disappointed me.

Baldwin could turn out to be a big surprise esp. now that he is familiar with our playbook and knowing this is probably his last stop...coupled with the fact that he'll have a full off season to hit the ground running (like a few others as well).

I know it's easy to call Jenkins a mistake...and it was...but what we just recently found out is that only 20% of WR's taken in the first round amount to anything. That is the highest fail-rate. And I agree, he'll probably shine in KC eventually b/c their offense is more balanced and they use the slot position for a WR...spread the defense out. The others were developed and traded or just not used at all save for injury.

Now, on to the draft...seeing a wide variety of projections in the first round from CB Jason Verrett to WR Cody Latimer to OLB Anthony Barr to S Calvin Pryor, etc. I've even seen some DE's as well.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Baldwin could turn out to be a big surprise esp. now that he is familiar with our playbook and knowing this is probably his last stop...coupled with the fact that he'll have a full off season to hit the ground running (like a few others as well).

I know it's easy to call Jenkins a mistake...and it was...but what we just recently found out is that only 20% of WR's taken in the first round amount to anything. That is the highest fail-rate. And I agree, he'll probably shine in KC eventually b/c their offense is more balanced and they use the slot position for a WR...spread the defense out. The others were developed and traded or just not used at all save for injury.

Now, on to the draft...seeing a wide variety of projections in the first round from CB Jason Verrett to WR Cody Latimer to OLB Anthony Barr to S Calvin Pryor, etc. I've even seen some DE's as well.

Fair enough! I don't get mad at Baalke for erros. If he had a track record of errors I'd worry but the opposite is the case. Very leery of Baldwin, though hope he fulfills his potential. Perhaps they bought him a juggs machine? My favorite way to judge the draft is overall...late rounds included. If a GM can find diamonds in the rough in the 6th or 7th round once in a while he's doing his job and using good scouting. If he only hits with 1st rounders...

This is a very fun year to be a draftnik! As you mention above, "experts" are reallly all over the map on our first pick. While this is usually the case for a 30th pick, it is not usually so far ranging in position. You would think we were desperate for DL, DB, OL, WR, TE, QB...just about every position has been mentioned as a need.