2013 - NFC Championship Round: Thoughts after watching the game...

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You would have the best passing D............when you hold so damn much and be on illegal substances.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Sigh.

Dude. Its called PROGRESSION passing. If you think the first read is there, you take it. You don't scan the entire field looking for an open guy. That isn't the way it works in anything but flag football at the park. Patton was probably 3rd or 4th in the progression so he isn't going to get the ball unless the QB has determined that the previous reads weren't there.

Kap had a 1 on 1 with no safety. He put the ball where he thought only the WR could get it and Sherman simply made a great play on the ball. The thought making that throw is that it's highly unlikely it gets picked because of the placement of the ball. Sherman made the play and then got lucky that the LB was trailing the play.

Sometimes, the other guys just make a better play than you did.

Yep, you can't blame Kap for throwing to Crabtree, even if it was 1 on 1 with sherman. Could he have made a better throw? Yea, but I a couple inches and we're going to the superbowl on a play with our two stars beating their loudmouth IN seattle.

Is this the same play as Vernon's game winner against the Saints? Looked like Boldin was open in the seem on teh oppsite side of the field with vernon running an out udnerneath this time.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Sigh.

Dude. Its called PROGRESSION passing. If you think the first read is there, you take it. You don't scan the entire field looking for an open guy. That isn't the way it works in anything but flag football at the park. Patton was probably 3rd or 4th in the progression so he isn't going to get the ball unless the QB has determined that the previous reads weren't there.

Kap had a 1 on 1 with no safety. He put the ball where he thought only the WR could get it and Sherman simply made a great play on the ball. The thought making that throw is that it's highly unlikely it gets picked because of the placement of the ball. Sherman made the play and then got lucky that the LB was trailing the play.

Sometimes, the other guys just make a better play than you did.

I was just having some fun with that pic but if you'd like me to get real for a few seconds ok.

I know that crabs prob said throw it up to me and I'll catch it. Kap was going to Crabs from the huddle and didn't even read the D. Didn't work out, oh well.
Great QB's learn to take what the D gives them.
If Kap and Crabs put their egos on the shelf for one more second he has an easy completed pass to a wide open target.




I find you take things way too serious and I don't think that's healthy.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Sigh.

Dude. Its called PROGRESSION passing. If you think the first read is there, you take it. You don't scan the entire field looking for an open guy. That isn't the way it works in anything but flag football at the park. Patton was probably 3rd or 4th in the progression so he isn't going to get the ball unless the QB has determined that the previous reads weren't there.

Kap had a 1 on 1 with no safety. He put the ball where he thought only the WR could get it and Sherman simply made a great play on the ball. The thought making that throw is that it's highly unlikely it gets picked because of the placement of the ball. Sherman made the play and then got lucky that the LB was trailing the play.

Sometimes, the other guys just make a better play than you did.

I was just having some fun with that pic but if you'd like me to get real for a few seconds ok.

I know that crabs prob said throw it up to me and I'll catch it. Kap was going to Crabs from the huddle and didn't even read the D. Didn't work out, oh well.
Great QB's learn to take what the D gives them.
If Kap and Crabs put their egos on the shelf for one more second he has an easy completed pass to a wide open target.




I find you take things way too serious and I don't think that's healthy.

He did read the D. He had 1 on 1 with no safety help. There was no problem with his decision on who to throw the ball to.

Ron Jawarski was on the radio this morning and said the exact same thing. His decision to throw there was not a problem. He could have put more air under it, but sometimes you have to credit the defensive player for making a great defensive play. It's that simple.

BTW...as for taking things too seriously...you made a post. I responded to it. That's what you do on a forum.

No anger there. Just disagreeing with what you were implying.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Sigh.

Dude. Its called PROGRESSION passing. If you think the first read is there, you take it. You don't scan the entire field looking for an open guy. That isn't the way it works in anything but flag football at the park. Patton was probably 3rd or 4th in the progression so he isn't going to get the ball unless the QB has determined that the previous reads weren't there.

Kap had a 1 on 1 with no safety. He put the ball where he thought only the WR could get it and Sherman simply made a great play on the ball. The thought making that throw is that it's highly unlikely it gets picked because of the placement of the ball. Sherman made the play and then got lucky that the LB was trailing the play.

Sometimes, the other guys just make a better play than you did.

I was just having some fun with that pic but if you'd like me to get real for a few seconds ok.

I know that crabs prob said throw it up to me and I'll catch it. Kap was going to Crabs from the huddle and didn't even read the D. Didn't work out, oh well.
Great QB's learn to take what the D gives them.
If Kap and Crabs put their egos on the shelf for one more second he has an easy completed pass to a wide open target.




I find you take things way too serious and I don't think that's healthy.

He did read the D. He had 1 on 1 with no safety help. There was no problem with his decision on who to throw the ball to.

Ron Jawarski was on the radio this morning and said the exact same thing. His decision to throw there was not a problem. He could have put more air under it, but sometimes you have to credit the defensive player for making a great defensive play. It's that simple.

BTW...as for taking things too seriously...you made a post. I responded to it. That's what you do on a forum.

No anger there. Just disagreeing with what you were implying.

he was going to crabs from the huddle

Kap dropped back didn't look anywhere else on the field and threw the ball 1.5 sec after the snap

there was no after snap read of the D that would change where is was going with the ball

it's a balls out move and I don't knock them for trying it if it was the last play of the game
(5 sec left no time outs type of deal)

30 sec left and two timeouts I don't like the play

that's all

Originally posted by SoCold:
he was going to crabs from the huddle

Kap dropped back didn't look anywhere else on the field and threw the ball 1.5 sec after the snap

there was no after snap read of the D that would change where is was going with the ball

it's a balls out move and I don't knock them for trying it if it was the last play of the game
(5 sec left no time outs type of deal)

30 sec left and two timeouts I don't like the play

that's all

This.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Sigh.

Dude. Its called PROGRESSION passing. If you think the first read is there, you take it. You don't scan the entire field looking for an open guy. That isn't the way it works in anything but flag football at the park. Patton was probably 3rd or 4th in the progression so he isn't going to get the ball unless the QB has determined that the previous reads weren't there.

Kap had a 1 on 1 with no safety. He put the ball where he thought only the WR could get it and Sherman simply made a great play on the ball. The thought making that throw is that it's highly unlikely it gets picked because of the placement of the ball. Sherman made the play and then got lucky that the LB was trailing the play.

Sometimes, the other guys just make a better play than you did.

I was just having some fun with that pic but if you'd like me to get real for a few seconds ok.

I know that crabs prob said throw it up to me and I'll catch it. Kap was going to Crabs from the huddle and didn't even read the D. Didn't work out, oh well.
Great QB's learn to take what the D gives them.
If Kap and Crabs put their egos on the shelf for one more second he has an easy completed pass to a wide open target.




I find you take things way too serious and I don't think that's healthy.

He did read the D. He had 1 on 1 with no safety help. There was no problem with his decision on who to throw the ball to.

Ron Jawarski was on the radio this morning and said the exact same thing. His decision to throw there was not a problem. He could have put more air under it, but sometimes you have to credit the defensive player for making a great defensive play. It's that simple.

BTW...as for taking things too seriously...you made a post. I responded to it. That's what you do on a forum.

No anger there. Just disagreeing with what you were implying.

he was going to crabs from the huddle

Kap dropped back didn't look anywhere else on the field and threw the ball 1.5 sec after the snap

there was no after snap read of the D that would change where is was going with the ball

it's a balls out move and I don't knock them for trying it if it was the last play of the game
(5 sec left no time outs type of deal)

30 sec left and two timeouts I don't like the play

that's all

Of course he knew where he was going before the snap. Its a fade. You always know where you are going before the snap on a fade. The put the ball up and let the receiver make a play on the ball. Thats what you do.

Sigh.

I give up. Peeps just really want to have someone to blame. Go ahead if that makes you feel better. I'll see it as a great defensive player making a play on the ball.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by SoCold:
he was going to crabs from the huddle

Kap dropped back didn't look anywhere else on the field and threw the ball 1.5 sec after the snap

there was no after snap read of the D that would change where is was going with the ball

it's a balls out move and I don't knock them for trying it if it was the last play of the game
(5 sec left no time outs type of deal)

30 sec left and two timeouts I don't like the play

that's all

This.

When Kap takes too long, he didn't pull the trigger fast enough, when he throws too fast he didn't read the defense long enough. Your analysis appears entirely results oriented. If Sherman doesn't make a great play, I suppose you would also be in the camp that would exalt Kap for making a great read.

Perhaps I can answer your comment with a question. It's a known fact that Manning gets rid of the ball very quickly. Often in about 2 seconds or less. Do you honestly think that Manning goes through 4 reads before throwing the ball to his first read within a 1.5 second timeframe? If Manning likes what he sees on his first read, do you think that Manning also looks at his 2nd, 3rd and 4th read before going back to his first read within 1.5 seconds? Or are you suggesting that all passing plays really should take at least 5 seconds?

I just don't understand the criticism. Kap read the defense, the play unfolded as he read, he delivered a good throw to his #1 target, the defense made a great play. Sherman didn't intercept it, but the LB made a good hustle play. The result sucks. But honestly, other than it not working out this time, WTH do you honestly expect Kap to do?

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Sigh.

Dude. Its called PROGRESSION passing. If you think the first read is there, you take it. You don't scan the entire field looking for an open guy. That isn't the way it works in anything but flag football at the park. Patton was probably 3rd or 4th in the progression so he isn't going to get the ball unless the QB has determined that the previous reads weren't there.

Kap had a 1 on 1 with no safety. He put the ball where he thought only the WR could get it and Sherman simply made a great play on the ball. The thought making that throw is that it's highly unlikely it gets picked because of the placement of the ball. Sherman made the play and then got lucky that the LB was trailing the play.

Sometimes, the other guys just make a better play than you did.

I was just having some fun with that pic but if you'd like me to get real for a few seconds ok.

I know that crabs prob said throw it up to me and I'll catch it. Kap was going to Crabs from the huddle and didn't even read the D. Didn't work out, oh well.
Great QB's learn to take what the D gives them.
If Kap and Crabs put their egos on the shelf for one more second he has an easy completed pass to a wide open target.




I find you take things way too serious and I don't think that's healthy.

He did read the D. He had 1 on 1 with no safety help. There was no problem with his decision on who to throw the ball to.

Ron Jawarski was on the radio this morning and said the exact same thing. His decision to throw there was not a problem. He could have put more air under it, but sometimes you have to credit the defensive player for making a great defensive play. It's that simple.

BTW...as for taking things too seriously...you made a post. I responded to it. That's what you do on a forum.

No anger there. Just disagreeing with what you were implying.

he was going to crabs from the huddle

Kap dropped back didn't look anywhere else on the field and threw the ball 1.5 sec after the snap

there was no after snap read of the D that would change where is was going with the ball

it's a balls out move and I don't knock them for trying it if it was the last play of the game
(5 sec left no time outs type of deal)

30 sec left and two timeouts I don't like the play

that's all

Of course he knew where he was going before the snap. Its a fade. You always know where you are going before the snap on a fade. The put the ball up and let the receiver make a play on the ball. Thats what you do.

Sigh.

I give up. Peeps just really want to have someone to blame. Go ahead if that makes you feel better. I'll see it as a great defensive player making a play on the ball.

dude we are talking about this ONE play
there were 47 other reasons they didn't win I'm not blaming him

I'm saying it was a s**tty play bad throw and NOT the right thing to do at the time.

He doesn't throw a good fade pass never has maybe never will

all I know is if he throws one of his bullet passes to the other three open dudes 60% of the time every time the game wouldn't end on that play

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Sigh.

Dude. Its called PROGRESSION passing. If you think the first read is there, you take it. You don't scan the entire field looking for an open guy. That isn't the way it works in anything but flag football at the park. Patton was probably 3rd or 4th in the progression so he isn't going to get the ball unless the QB has determined that the previous reads weren't there.

Kap had a 1 on 1 with no safety. He put the ball where he thought only the WR could get it and Sherman simply made a great play on the ball. The thought making that throw is that it's highly unlikely it gets picked because of the placement of the ball. Sherman made the play and then got lucky that the LB was trailing the play.

Sometimes, the other guys just make a better play than you did.

I was just having some fun with that pic but if you'd like me to get real for a few seconds ok.

I know that crabs prob said throw it up to me and I'll catch it. Kap was going to Crabs from the huddle and didn't even read the D. Didn't work out, oh well.
Great QB's learn to take what the D gives them.
If Kap and Crabs put their egos on the shelf for one more second he has an easy completed pass to a wide open target.




I find you take things way too serious and I don't think that's healthy.

He did read the D. He had 1 on 1 with no safety help. There was no problem with his decision on who to throw the ball to.

Ron Jawarski was on the radio this morning and said the exact same thing. His decision to throw there was not a problem. He could have put more air under it, but sometimes you have to credit the defensive player for making a great defensive play. It's that simple.

BTW...as for taking things too seriously...you made a post. I responded to it. That's what you do on a forum.

No anger there. Just disagreeing with what you were implying.

he was going to crabs from the huddle

Kap dropped back didn't look anywhere else on the field and threw the ball 1.5 sec after the snap

there was no after snap read of the D that would change where is was going with the ball

it's a balls out move and I don't knock them for trying it if it was the last play of the game
(5 sec left no time outs type of deal)

30 sec left and two timeouts I don't like the play

that's all

Of course he knew where he was going before the snap. Its a fade. You always know where you are going before the snap on a fade. The put the ball up and let the receiver make a play on the ball. Thats what you do.

Sigh.

I give up. Peeps just really want to have someone to blame. Go ahead if that makes you feel better. I'll see it as a great defensive player making a play on the ball.

dude we are talking about this ONE play
there were 47 other reasons they didn't win I'm not blaming him

I'm saying it was a s**tty play bad throw and NOT the right thing to do at the time.

He doesn't throw a good fade pass never has maybe never will

all I know is if he throws one of his bullet passes to the other three open dudes 60% of the time every time the game wouldn't end on that play

I guess that's fair.

I think I'm just reacting to the "the sky is falling" peeps, not you specifically.

I would've liked to use a TO after the Davis catch made it 1st & 10 at the 18...you still had 2 TOs, plus there is the possibility that if you don't put it in the end-zone that you pick up a 1st down to make it 1st & Goal, so buring those ~25 seconds after Davis' catch didn't seem like best use of the clock to me.

I also question Harbaugh's decision after the missed "roughing" penalty...even though only called "running into kicker", it's still a 5-yd penalty, 49ers could have accepted that penalty and replay 4th down, i.e. move up 5-yds and punt it again, right? But Harbaugh declined so Seattle got to keep the good field position at their 38 after a good-not-great 42-yd punt by Lee. So in a field-position-battle type game, why not give your punter a chance to push them back a little farther? Granted, besides his great job pinning them at the 1, Lee did not have a very good game, and maybe he was knicked up after that play...but short of him physically not being able to punt, thought the 49ers should have taken the 5.

Marvin, well written and accurate!

To start with, I am truly grateful that I can actually talk about the 49ers again after years of mediocrity... I am thankful that we have a fantastic coaching staff, a franchise QB, pass rusher, etc; We have a great team!

Oh, and yea, we also have a great fanbase, which by the way is much larger and has way more class than the Seattle fanbase, but unlike Seattle, we don't count them as a member of the team. Our team are the guys on the field...

Sure, the window is closing or has closed for some of the guys on the team, that is just how this game works and everyone playing and watching knows that. Get over it! Me personally, I would love to have seen FG/JS get rings, and damn straight they deserve it. But... BUT!!! I'm a 9ers fan first and that means, just like Harbaugh, I'm about whatever it takes to win, regardless of who is on the team.

If anything I think the future looks bright for the 49ers. Don't give up hope! Look at last year with Baltimore winning the SB. Anything can happen, and with Kap and Harbaugh I think we have a great chance.

Originally posted by SFL49ER:
They shut that down in the second half with a fifth player up to spy Kap, sometimes a sixth. The best plan was to pass the ball

I'm not saying this because I think Joe knows everything but Montana is right. Kapernick hasn't changed one single bit in the six years I've watched him play, that's including his time at UNR. He's an explosive play maker who makes errant throws consistently and as Joe alluded to , Colin has trouble " picking up" on open receivers." Field generalship" we all know is what Montana possessed and is something that if Colin had the ability to develop such an attribute it would have shown signs of more progression by now. As an example you can see with Andrew Luck. What you've all seen from Colin Kapernick up to this point , is about all your going to get. Is it enough ? Yes , but the window is closing fast.