The 49ers ... actually better than GB?

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
there's alot of areas I believe we're saving for the playoffs i.e disguised blitz packages, screens, ect. There's no reason other than that we're holding back what I believe we can excel at.

i really want to believe this. Partly, I do: of course there are things that we haven't seen yet, and of course we will come up with new things depending on matchups and tendencies. But with every game so important I just find it hard to believe that we've been intentionally limiting ourselves in the redzone, say.

I will gladly eat crow if we open up the playoffs with an entirely unrecognizable offense in terms of playcalling. But I think the "limited" nature of our offense, in particular, is less the result of intentional holding-back as it is a sign of the lack of offseason and a conservative philosophy that is partly the result of that lack of offseason and partly the general philosophy of Harbaugh.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

there's alot of areas I believe we're saving for the playoffs i.e disguised blitz packages, screens, ect. There's no reason other than that we're holding back what I believe we can excel at.

i really want to believe this. Partly, I do: of course there are things that we haven't seen yet, and of course we will come up with new things depending on matchups and tendencies. But with every game so important I just find it hard to believe that we've been intentionally limiting ourselves in the redzone, say.

I will gladly eat crow if we open up the playoffs with an entirely unrecognizable offense in terms of playcalling. But I think the "limited" nature of our offense, in particular, is less the result of intentional holding-back as it is a sign of the lack of offseason and a conservative philosophy that is partly the result of that lack of offseason and partly the general philosophy of Harbaugh.

I agree especially in regards to redone offense, I don't think there is any holding back there.That is a bonafide problem.

But we are going to have to play superb passing teams like NO and GB, and we must get creative with the blitz or they will pick us apart, and if we can realize it then you can bet Fangio and Harbaugh have begun game planning for it way before now. With the teams we have remaining on our regular season schedule, I don't believe they would consider blitzing a priority. We have been doing fine sending 4. Different story though come playoff time.

For the life of me I don't get why we haven't seen any screens. The way the Saints blitzed us in the preseason, screens have to be a part of our offense. It's a fundamental play when faced with pressure. Then I expected halftime adjustments concerning the screen during the Ravens game, yet there were none. Don't know what to make of it honestly.

In pass offense, no. Everything else, yes.

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
there's alot of areas I believe we're saving for the playoffs i.e disguised blitz packages, screens, ect. There's no reason other than that we're holding back what I believe we can excel at.

i really want to believe this. Partly, I do: of course there are things that we haven't seen yet, and of course we will come up with new things depending on matchups and tendencies. But with every game so important I just find it hard to believe that we've been intentionally limiting ourselves in the redzone, say.

I will gladly eat crow if we open up the playoffs with an entirely unrecognizable offense in terms of playcalling. But I think the "limited" nature of our offense, in particular, is less the result of intentional holding-back as it is a sign of the lack of offseason and a conservative philosophy that is partly the result of that lack of offseason and partly the general philosophy of Harbaugh.

I agree especially in regards to redone offense, I don't think there is any holding back there.That is a bonafide problem.

But we are going to have to play superb passing teams like NO and GB, and we must get creative with the blitz or they will pick us apart, and if we can realize it then you can bet Fangio and Harbaugh have begun game planning for it way before now. With the teams we have remaining on our regular season schedule, I don't believe they would consider blitzing a priority. We have been doing fine sending 4. Different story though come playoff time.

For the life of me I don't get why we haven't seen any screens. The way the Saints blitzed us in the preseason, screens have to be a part of our offense. It's a fundamental play when faced with pressure. Then I expected halftime adjustments concerning the screen during the Ravens game, yet there were none. Don't know what to make of it honestly.

agree 100% on the blitzes. like Fangio said when playing Skelton, there was no point in trying to disguise things against him. I do think we'll do different things on defense in the playoffs--not sure how exotic we'll get with the blitzes, but I do think we'll show different things there.

as far as on offense, i feel ya. My thinking is that maybe screens are one of those difficult, timing kinds of plays that we just haven't installed yet...? then again, its 13 weeks into the season, and its not like the entire team is rookies...its really a mystery, because a few well-timed screens to players like Hunter, who seems built for a dominant screen-game, would totally change our offense. IDK, man. Maybe you are right and we have them ready but see no reason to bust them out until the playoffs because our second-half schedule is filled with scrubs.

Not having an answer against the Ravens will always be a sore point, even though I don't feel bad about that loss whatsoever.

I fully believe that the team is not holding back a single thing. What we have seen is probably as much as they have been able to implement in the short amount of time they have had. There have been a lot of new contributors on both sides of the ball to so getting any kind of cohesion like they have is still impressive. We see a little new stuff week to week but nothing significant will likely come until next year

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

there's alot of areas I believe we're saving for the playoffs i.e disguised blitz packages, screens, ect. There's no reason other than that we're holding back what I believe we can excel at.

i really want to believe this. Partly, I do: of course there are things that we haven't seen yet, and of course we will come up with new things depending on matchups and tendencies. But with every game so important I just find it hard to believe that we've been intentionally limiting ourselves in the redzone, say.

I will gladly eat crow if we open up the playoffs with an entirely unrecognizable offense in terms of playcalling. But I think the "limited" nature of our offense, in particular, is less the result of intentional holding-back as it is a sign of the lack of offseason and a conservative philosophy that is partly the result of that lack of offseason and partly the general philosophy of Harbaugh.

I agree especially in regards to redone offense, I don't think there is any holding back there.That is a bonafide problem.

But we are going to have to play superb passing teams like NO and GB, and we must get creative with the blitz or they will pick us apart, and if we can realize it then you can bet Fangio and Harbaugh have begun game planning for it way before now. With the teams we have remaining on our regular season schedule, I don't believe they would consider blitzing a priority. We have been doing fine sending 4. Different story though come playoff time.

For the life of me I don't get why we haven't seen any screens. The way the Saints blitzed us in the preseason, screens have to be a part of our offense. It's a fundamental play when faced with pressure. Then I expected halftime adjustments concerning the screen during the Ravens game, yet there were none. Don't know what to make of it honestly.

agree 100% on the blitzes. like Fangio said when playing Skelton, there was no point in trying to disguise things against him. I do think we'll do different things on defense in the playoffs--not sure how exotic we'll get with the blitzes, but I do think we'll show different things there.

as far as on offense, i feel ya. My thinking is that maybe screens are one of those difficult, timing kinds of plays that we just haven't installed yet...? then again, its 13 weeks into the season, and its not like the entire team is rookies...its really a mystery, because a few well-timed screens to players like Hunter, who seems built for a dominant screen-game, would totally change our offense. IDK, man. Maybe you are right and we have them ready but see no reason to bust them out until the playoffs because our second-half schedule is filled with scrubs.

Not having an answer against the Ravens will always be a sore point, even though I don't feel bad about that loss whatsoever.

I've heard people say that the extremely short week and the cross country travel before the game against the Ravens as being the reason why we lost is an excuse. While it is an excuse, it's a valid one. It was a genuine disadvantage imo. Which in a way makes me feel better about the loss. Had we had more time to prepare I believe we might have won that game. It was apparent to me that offensively we were a bit vanilla. Not having any answers for the Ravens pass rush further backs up that point. After watching NFL Turning Point, I don't place as much blame on the offensive line as I did simply after watching the game. There was a genuine scheme issue, which can possibly be attributed to the short week. I don't think we'll be caught unprepared like that again, even with the upcoming short week we have between the Steelers/Seahawks games.

Originally posted by walker807:

I fully believe that the team is not holding back a single thing. What we have seen is probably as much as they have been able to implement in the short amount of time they have had. There have been a lot of new contributors on both sides of the ball to so getting any kind of cohesion like they have is still impressive. We see a little new stuff week to week but nothing significant will likely come until next year

Roman disputed your point on his interview on 95.7 The Game today. Just sayin.

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
there's alot of areas I believe we're saving for the playoffs i.e disguised blitz packages, screens, ect. There's no reason other than that we're holding back what I believe we can excel at.

i really want to believe this. Partly, I do: of course there are things that we haven't seen yet, and of course we will come up with new things depending on matchups and tendencies. But with every game so important I just find it hard to believe that we've been intentionally limiting ourselves in the redzone, say.

I will gladly eat crow if we open up the playoffs with an entirely unrecognizable offense in terms of playcalling. But I think the "limited" nature of our offense, in particular, is less the result of intentional holding-back as it is a sign of the lack of offseason and a conservative philosophy that is partly the result of that lack of offseason and partly the general philosophy of Harbaugh.

I agree especially in regards to redone offense, I don't think there is any holding back there.That is a bonafide problem.

But we are going to have to play superb passing teams like NO and GB, and we must get creative with the blitz or they will pick us apart, and if we can realize it then you can bet Fangio and Harbaugh have begun game planning for it way before now. With the teams we have remaining on our regular season schedule, I don't believe they would consider blitzing a priority. We have been doing fine sending 4. Different story though come playoff time.

For the life of me I don't get why we haven't seen any screens. The way the Saints blitzed us in the preseason, screens have to be a part of our offense. It's a fundamental play when faced with pressure. Then I expected halftime adjustments concerning the screen during the Ravens game, yet there were none. Don't know what to make of it honestly.

agree 100% on the blitzes. like Fangio said when playing Skelton, there was no point in trying to disguise things against him. I do think we'll do different things on defense in the playoffs--not sure how exotic we'll get with the blitzes, but I do think we'll show different things there.

as far as on offense, i feel ya. My thinking is that maybe screens are one of those difficult, timing kinds of plays that we just haven't installed yet...? then again, its 13 weeks into the season, and its not like the entire team is rookies...its really a mystery, because a few well-timed screens to players like Hunter, who seems built for a dominant screen-game, would totally change our offense. IDK, man. Maybe you are right and we have them ready but see no reason to bust them out until the playoffs because our second-half schedule is filled with scrubs.

Not having an answer against the Ravens will always be a sore point, even though I don't feel bad about that loss whatsoever.

I've heard people say that the extremely short week and the cross country travel before the game against the Ravens as being the reason why we lost is an excuse. While it is an excuse, it's a valid one. It was a genuine disadvantage imo. Which in a way makes me feel better about the loss. Had we had more time to prepare I believe we might have won that game. It was apparent to me that offensively we were a bit vanilla. Not having any answers for the Ravens pass rush further backs up that point. After watching NFL Turning Point, I don't place as much blame on the offensive line as I did simply after watching the game. There was a genuine scheme issue, which can possibly be attributed to the short week. I don't think we'll be caught unprepared like that again, even with the upcoming short week we have between the Steelers/Seahawks games.

again, agreed. I love that we can be confident that if we are unprepared for something once, it won't happen again. I fully believe that, with this coaching staff, and these players, if we don't win the Super Bowl this year (and I like our chances--some homer) we will next year. Can you imagine this team with an actual offseason to prepare? Another offseason of bringing in players and creating schemes? It blows my mind, that we have really only begun.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

there's alot of areas I believe we're saving for the playoffs i.e disguised blitz packages, screens, ect. There's no reason other than that we're holding back what I believe we can excel at.

i really want to believe this. Partly, I do: of course there are things that we haven't seen yet, and of course we will come up with new things depending on matchups and tendencies. But with every game so important I just find it hard to believe that we've been intentionally limiting ourselves in the redzone, say.

I will gladly eat crow if we open up the playoffs with an entirely unrecognizable offense in terms of playcalling. But I think the "limited" nature of our offense, in particular, is less the result of intentional holding-back as it is a sign of the lack of offseason and a conservative philosophy that is partly the result of that lack of offseason and partly the general philosophy of Harbaugh.

I agree especially in regards to redone offense, I don't think there is any holding back there.That is a bonafide problem.

But we are going to have to play superb passing teams like NO and GB, and we must get creative with the blitz or they will pick us apart, and if we can realize it then you can bet Fangio and Harbaugh have begun game planning for it way before now. With the teams we have remaining on our regular season schedule, I don't believe they would consider blitzing a priority. We have been doing fine sending 4. Different story though come playoff time.

For the life of me I don't get why we haven't seen any screens. The way the Saints blitzed us in the preseason, screens have to be a part of our offense. It's a fundamental play when faced with pressure. Then I expected halftime adjustments concerning the screen during the Ravens game, yet there were none. Don't know what to make of it honestly.

agree 100% on the blitzes. like Fangio said when playing Skelton, there was no point in trying to disguise things against him. I do think we'll do different things on defense in the playoffs--not sure how exotic we'll get with the blitzes, but I do think we'll show different things there.

as far as on offense, i feel ya. My thinking is that maybe screens are one of those difficult, timing kinds of plays that we just haven't installed yet...? then again, its 13 weeks into the season, and its not like the entire team is rookies...its really a mystery, because a few well-timed screens to players like Hunter, who seems built for a dominant screen-game, would totally change our offense. IDK, man. Maybe you are right and we have them ready but see no reason to bust them out until the playoffs because our second-half schedule is filled with scrubs.

Not having an answer against the Ravens will always be a sore point, even though I don't feel bad about that loss whatsoever.

I've heard people say that the extremely short week and the cross country travel before the game against the Ravens as being the reason why we lost is an excuse. While it is an excuse, it's a valid one. It was a genuine disadvantage imo. Which in a way makes me feel better about the loss. Had we had more time to prepare I believe we might have won that game. It was apparent to me that offensively we were a bit vanilla. Not having any answers for the Ravens pass rush further backs up that point. After watching NFL Turning Point, I don't place as much blame on the offensive line as I did simply after watching the game. There was a genuine scheme issue, which can possibly be attributed to the short week. I don't think we'll be caught unprepared like that again, even with the upcoming short week we have between the Steelers/Seahawks games.

again, agreed. I love that we can be confident that if we are unprepared for something once, it won't happen again. I fully believe that, with this coaching staff, and these players, if we don't win the Super Bowl this year (and I like our chances--some homer) we will next year. Can you imagine this team with an actual offseason to prepare? Another offseason of bringing in players and creating schemes? It blows my mind, that we have really only begun.

The future is rather bright if you ask me. Watching Nolan/Singletary make the same stupid mistakes over and over whether it be scheme or whatever was excruciating. Yeah that era is over.

Originally posted by whatawegot:
hey Einstein. Let me ask you something. If a team does something really well. I mean exeptionally well and the opposing team knows it and prepares for it yet cant stop it then please explain why you need to even run it. THey run just enuf to keep the teams honest. Rodgers is lights out. Thow all your harvard regresion analysis and your multiplication win percentage. It means squat. THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ARE 12-0 FOR A REASON. THEY PASS THE BALL AND HAVE AN ELITE QB. A more rounded team is great for soup talk but the bottom line is that they along with new orleans are huge hurdles to overcome playoff time. Hurdles that they will not overcome. Hows that for quantitative analysis.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Wait a second...what happens when you take out the Tampa Bay game

Originally posted by Fasteddy:
Well one thing this formula doesn't account for is strength of competition. The Packers' schedule was a tougher one.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Irrelvant

Us beating the dog sh*t out of the Buccaneers, Cardinals, Seahawks really doesn't mean much.

HOW ABOUT, Them beating the dog sh*t out of the Broncos w/Orton (as if that matters) and the Rams doesn't mean much either. So what happens when you take out those games?. Last I heard the AFCW is pretty weak too. I guess GB is 12-0 FOR A REASON.... They're just tho thcary!

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
The future is rather bright if you ask me. Watching Nolan/Singletary make the same stupid mistakes over and over whether it be scheme or whatever was excruciating. Yeah that era is over.

f**k yeah, man!

Wow is that all? Just passing

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by walker807:
I fully believe that the team is not holding back a single thing. What we have seen is probably as much as they have been able to implement in the short amount of time they have had. There have been a lot of new contributors on both sides of the ball to so getting any kind of cohesion like they have is still impressive. We see a little new stuff week to week but nothing significant will likely come until next year

Roman disputed your point on his interview on 95.7 The Game today. Just sayin.

Why not elaborate? Just sayin.

Originally posted by whatawegot:

This stat isn't the gospel or anything. Green Bay may well be getting under-appreciated a bit. But also reflects how a more-rounded team like SF might actually be playing better overall than a team that does one thing extraordinarily well but really struggles elsewhere (e.g., the Packers having 47 rushing yards on 24 carries against a bad, banged up NYG rush D - truly pathetic numbers when you have a Rodgers passing attack)QUOTE. LOL


hey Einstein. Let me ask you something. If a team does something really well. I mean exeptionally well and the opposing team knows it and prepares for it yet cant stop it then please explain why you need to even run it. THey run just enuf to keep the teams honest. Rodgers is lights out. Thow all your harvard regresion analysis and your multiplication win percentage. It means squat. THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ARE 12-0 FOR A REASON. THEY PASS THE BALL AND HAVE AN ELITE QB. A more rounded team is great for soup talk but the bottom line is that they along with new orleans are huge hurdles to overcome playoff time. Hurdles that they will not overcome. Hows that for quantitative analysis.

Tell that to Dan Marino when he played us in the superbowl.

Originally posted by truekingcarlos:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by walker807:

I fully believe that the team is not holding back a single thing. What we have seen is probably as much as they have been able to implement in the short amount of time they have had. There have been a lot of new contributors on both sides of the ball to so getting any kind of cohesion like they have is still impressive. We see a little new stuff week to week but nothing significant will likely come until next year

Roman disputed your point on his interview on 95.7 The Game today. Just sayin.

Why not elaborate? Just sayin.

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