49ers GM Trent Baalke a candidate for Executive of the Year

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I thought MadDog would be up for Executive of the Year.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Let's be real people, Baalke is not the one bettering the organization, it is all Harbaugh and staff. Let's take the offense: The Niners offense has the same personnel as last year, except for a few tweeks, Miller and Goodwin. Are Miller and Goodwin making the difference in this team, compared to Baas and Norris? No. This is Harbaugh's magic, not Baalke's genius. By the way, our very own Baalke did not make a move on the offensive line this year to replace Rachal, who was the incumbent to win the job. That is genius? No.

On defense, the team let Franklin explore free agency, tried to get him back, but lost out to the Saints. The Niners shifted DL personnel, and did make one bold and aggressive move I do give credit to Baalke, signing McDonald. The rest of the front seven starting unit is the same. The secondary is largely the same, subbing Rogers for Clements, and Whitner for the R. Smith (injured) and Mays (49ers bust) combo. Rogers was a stroke of luck, not genius. We tried to bid for a number of free agents before signing him, and there was obviously no belief he would be anywhere close to as good as he has been , or he would have been the number 2 or 3 free agent CB on the market, not the 7th or 8th signed to a whopping one-year deal. Pure, blind luck, not genius.

I will tip my hat to his draft selection of Bowman last year.....right after the pick of Taylor Mays....genius....uh, how about Morgan Burnett?

Let's be real, the difference-maker is Harbaugh and company. And, the Niners almost threw away a slam dunk signing by lowballing his offer, allowing other teams to jump in and compete for his services. Lucky that he: 1) Wanted to stay in the Bay Area for his kid's schooling; 2) The Niners are in the Bay Area; 3) He wanted to coach for an NFL team. Again, "All Praise to Baalke" for signing Harbaugh is a joke. An elementary school negotiator could have finished this deal. Hardly genius.

I am saying right now that unless his approach changes, and we become active in free agency, instead of waiting to scrape the bargin bin basement players off the pile, this is not a long-range winning approach. The mountain of free agents on this roster is massive, and if we think we can play lowball in signing free agents this next year, in a regular NFL year (not altered by a lockout), we cannot expect more miracles to happen. Let's not roll the dice, and see what the 8th ranked CB in the free agent market does next year for this team.

I encourage those to not take this personally. This is about a philosophy to player personnel matters, not torturing puppies.

I guess Dan Snyder is the greatest executive in the history of the sport.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I thought MadDog would be up for Executive of the Year.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Let's be real people, Baalke is not the one bettering the organization, it is all Harbaugh and staff. Let's take the offense: The Niners offense has the same personnel as last year, except for a few tweeks, Miller and Goodwin. Are Miller and Goodwin making the difference in this team, compared to Baas and Norris? No. This is Harbaugh's magic, not Baalke's genius. By the way, our very own Baalke did not make a move on the offensive line this year to replace Rachal, who was the incumbent to win the job. That is genius? No.

On defense, the team let Franklin explore free agency, tried to get him back, but lost out to the Saints. The Niners shifted DL personnel, and did make one bold and aggressive move I do give credit to Baalke, signing McDonald. The rest of the front seven starting unit is the same. The secondary is largely the same, subbing Rogers for Clements, and Whitner for the R. Smith (injured) and Mays (49ers bust) combo. Rogers was a stroke of luck, not genius. We tried to bid for a number of free agents before signing him, and there was obviously no belief he would be anywhere close to as good as he has been , or he would have been the number 2 or 3 free agent CB on the market, not the 7th or 8th signed to a whopping one-year deal. Pure, blind luck, not genius.

I will tip my hat to his draft selection of Bowman last year.....right after the pick of Taylor Mays....genius....uh, how about Morgan Burnett?

Let's be real, the difference-maker is Harbaugh and company. And, the Niners almost threw away a slam dunk signing by lowballing his offer, allowing other teams to jump in and compete for his services. Lucky that he: 1) Wanted to stay in the Bay Area for his kid's schooling; 2) The Niners are in the Bay Area; 3) He wanted to coach for an NFL team. Again, "All Praise to Baalke" for signing Harbaugh is a joke. An elementary school negotiator could have finished this deal. Hardly genius.

I am saying right now that unless his approach changes, and we become active in free agency, instead of waiting to scrape the bargin bin basement players off the pile, this is not a long-range winning approach. The mountain of free agents on this roster is massive, and if we think we can play lowball in signing free agents this next year, in a regular NFL year (not altered by a lockout), we cannot expect more miracles to happen. Let's not roll the dice, and see what the 8th ranked CB in the free agent market does next year for this team.

I encourage those to not take this personally. This is about a philosophy to player personnel matters, not torturing puppies.

yeah cause being active in free agency is what builds winning teams, just ask dan snyder or look at this year's eagles. these two teams are gonna be contenders for at least a decade...

Originally posted by mjo116:
yeah cause being active in free agency is what builds winning teams, just ask dan snyder or look at this year's eagles. these two teams are gonna be contenders for at least a decade...

Yeah, I don't get the emphasis on being a more active suitor for top tier free agents. That being said I think it's pretty safe to assume that next years crop of top tier free agents will be taking a closer look at San Francisco . . . but of course that will be ENTIRELY because of the lazy guy that didn't feel like calling Bekins.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I thought MadDog would be up for Executive of the Year.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Let's be real people, Baalke is not the one bettering the organization, it is all Harbaugh and staff. Let's take the offense: The Niners offense has the same personnel as last year, except for a few tweeks, Miller and Goodwin. Are Miller and Goodwin making the difference in this team, compared to Baas and Norris? No. This is Harbaugh's magic, not Baalke's genius. By the way, our very own Baalke did not make a move on the offensive line this year to replace Rachal, who was the incumbent to win the job. That is genius? No.

On defense, the team let Franklin explore free agency, tried to get him back, but lost out to the Saints. The Niners shifted DL personnel, and did make one bold and aggressive move I do give credit to Baalke, signing McDonald. The rest of the front seven starting unit is the same. The secondary is largely the same, subbing Rogers for Clements, and Whitner for the R. Smith (injured) and Mays (49ers bust) combo. Rogers was a stroke of luck, not genius. We tried to bid for a number of free agents before signing him, and there was obviously no belief he would be anywhere close to as good as he has been , or he would have been the number 2 or 3 free agent CB on the market, not the 7th or 8th signed to a whopping one-year deal. Pure, blind luck, not genius.

I will tip my hat to his draft selection of Bowman last year.....right after the pick of Taylor Mays....genius....uh, how about Morgan Burnett?

Let's be real, the difference-maker is Harbaugh and company. And, the Niners almost threw away a slam dunk signing by lowballing his offer, allowing other teams to jump in and compete for his services. Lucky that he: 1) Wanted to stay in the Bay Area for his kid's schooling; 2) The Niners are in the Bay Area; 3) He wanted to coach for an NFL team. Again, "All Praise to Baalke" for signing Harbaugh is a joke. An elementary school negotiator could have finished this deal. Hardly genius.

I am saying right now that unless his approach changes, and we become active in free agency, instead of waiting to scrape the bargin bin basement players off the pile, this is not a long-range winning approach. The mountain of free agents on this roster is massive, and if we think we can play lowball in signing free agents this next year, in a regular NFL year (not altered by a lockout), we cannot expect more miracles to happen. Let's not roll the dice, and see what the 8th ranked CB in the free agent market does next year for this team.

I encourage those to not take this personally. This is about a philosophy to player personnel matters, not torturing puppies.

disagree, Baalke was able to get Harbaugh, and I dont think we low balled, we told harbaugh to check everything out, and he did, and relaized we were his best fit. And to say Baalke has nothing to do with it is being blinded. Baalke has as much to do as Harbaugh and company.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Thanks for the recommendation.

Let's be real people, Baalke is not the one bettering the organization, it is all Harbaugh and staff. Let's take the offense: The Niners offense has the same personnel as last year, except for a few tweeks, Miller and Goodwin. Are Miller and Goodwin making the difference in this team, compared to Baas and Norris? No. This is Harbaugh's magic, not Baalke's genius. By the way, our very own Baalke did not make a move on the offensive line this year to replace Rachal, who was the incumbent to win the job. That is genius? No.

On defense, the team let Franklin explore free agency, tried to get him back, but lost out to the Saints. The Niners shifted DL personnel, and did make one bold and aggressive move I do give credit to Baalke, signing McDonald. The rest of the front seven starting unit is the same. The secondary is largely the same, subbing Rogers for Clements, and Whitner for the R. Smith (injured) and Mays (49ers bust) combo. Rogers was a stroke of luck, not genius. We tried to bid for a number of free agents before signing him, and there was obviously no belief he would be anywhere close to as good as he has been , or he would have been the number 2 or 3 free agent CB on the market, not the 7th or 8th signed to a whopping one-year deal. Pure, blind luck, not genius.

I will tip my hat to his draft selection of Bowman last year.....right after the pick of Taylor Mays....genius....uh, how about Morgan Burnett?

Let's be real, the difference-maker is Harbaugh and company. And, the Niners almost threw away a slam dunk signing by lowballing his offer, allowing other teams to jump in and compete for his services. Lucky that he: 1) Wanted to stay in the Bay Area for his kid's schooling; 2) The Niners are in the Bay Area; 3) He wanted to coach for an NFL team. Again, "All Praise to Baalke" for signing Harbaugh is a joke. An elementary school negotiator could have finished this deal. Hardly genius.

I am saying right now that unless his approach changes, and we become active in free agency, instead of waiting to scrape the bargin bin basement players off the pile, this is not a long-range winning approach. The mountain of free agents on this roster is massive, and if we think we can play lowball in signing free agents this next year, in a regular NFL year (not altered by a lockout), we cannot expect more miracles to happen. Let's not roll the dice, and see what the 8th ranked CB in the free agent market does next year for this team.

I encourage those to not take this personally. This is about a philosophy to player personnel matters, not torturing puppies.

Baalke did not overpay for Baas. He let him walk and then picked up a comparable, if not better talent in Goodwin...for a fraction of the cost. He also didn't go out and overpay for a G, when a more than adequate replacement for Rachal was already on the roster. Good moves.

Baalke was never really interested in bringing back Franklin, at least not at the price tag he wanted. He is a contract year player and a one dimensional NT. Good move letting him walk.

Rogers was not a stroke of luck. He has always been regarded as a very good cover corner whose weakness was not holding onto INT's. Also we were never seriously bidding for the top tier CB's, so that myth needs to be put to rest. While the media may have pumped it up that we were greatly interested in Nnamdi, he himself said he never had any direct talks with the Niners. Plus he was never going to come here anyway. Don't recall ever seeing anything written about serious interest in Joseph, just typical media speculation. Instead Baalke sat back and waited, then picked up a very good cover corner with bad hands (which he has since rectified) on the cheap. Great wherewithal by Baalke to see that Rogers talents were wasting away in WAS.

Again, the Mays pick was strictly Singletary. Baalke had only been on the job a couple weeks after being thrown into it. Deferring to Singletary was a rookie move. Something like that will not happen again.

Niners originally offered Harbaugh $5 million a year and ended up getting him for $5 million a year. Doesn't seem like a lowball offer to me. Kudos to Baalke for getting the coach he had targeted from the get-go and at a reasonable price.

Lastly, great teams are not built through FA. Great teams show patience and choose bargain players that fit their system.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

I thought MadDog would be up for Executive of the Year.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Let's be real people, Baalke is not the one bettering the organization, it is all Harbaugh and staff. Let's take the offense: The Niners offense has the same personnel as last year, except for a few tweeks, Miller and Goodwin. Are Miller and Goodwin making the difference in this team, compared to Baas and Norris? No. This is Harbaugh's magic, not Baalke's genius. By the way, our very own Baalke did not make a move on the offensive line this year to replace Rachal, who was the incumbent to win the job. That is genius? No.

On defense, the team let Franklin explore free agency, tried to get him back, but lost out to the Saints. The Niners shifted DL personnel, and did make one bold and aggressive move I do give credit to Baalke, signing McDonald. The rest of the front seven starting unit is the same. The secondary is largely the same, subbing Rogers for Clements, and Whitner for the R. Smith (injured) and Mays (49ers bust) combo. Rogers was a stroke of luck, not genius. We tried to bid for a number of free agents before signing him, and there was obviously no belief he would be anywhere close to as good as he has been , or he would have been the number 2 or 3 free agent CB on the market, not the 7th or 8th signed to a whopping one-year deal. Pure, blind luck, not genius.

I will tip my hat to his draft selection of Bowman last year.....right after the pick of Taylor Mays....genius....uh, how about Morgan Burnett?

Let's be real, the difference-maker is Harbaugh and company. And, the Niners almost threw away a slam dunk signing by lowballing his offer, allowing other teams to jump in and compete for his services. Lucky that he: 1) Wanted to stay in the Bay Area for his kid's schooling; 2) The Niners are in the Bay Area; 3) He wanted to coach for an NFL team. Again, "All Praise to Baalke" for signing Harbaugh is a joke. An elementary school negotiator could have finished this deal. Hardly genius.

I am saying right now that unless his approach changes, and we become active in free agency, instead of waiting to scrape the bargin bin basement players off the pile, this is not a long-range winning approach. The mountain of free agents on this roster is massive, and if we think we can play lowball in signing free agents this next year, in a regular NFL year (not altered by a lockout), we cannot expect more miracles to happen. Let's not roll the dice, and see what the 8th ranked CB in the free agent market does next year for this team.

I encourage those to not take this personally. This is about a philosophy to player personnel matters, not torturing puppies.

You are blinded by your hate for Trent Baalke, and this is speaking from an objective point of view...

#1. In the business world, HR/Recruiters acquire talent, and good managers develop the talent. And when you have good managers, employees develop and thrive. Trent Baalke and his team has done a great job acquiring the talent over the years, and Harbaugh has done a legendary job developing and leading this talent so far this season.

If Harbaugh had bad talent, he wouldn't have the record he has today.

#2. Baalke pulled off the most cost-effective ROI signings I have ever seen in recent years in the NFL.

- Goldson playing at a high level on a small contract
- Rogers fixing his INT issues and thriving in our 3-4 defense. As a scout for the Skins, Baalke had ties to him.
- Goodwin adding a vet presence with a ring to a maturing offensive line for a reasonable price
- A HUGE WR with tons of talent in Braylon Edwards that has been clutch on many 3rd downs this season...and CHEAP.
- Resigning Ted Ginn Jr for a CHEAPER contract, and Ginn maintains his hunger for making big plays.
- Reverting to younger guys on defense instead of resigning older vets: Spikes, Franklin, and Lawson out, Bowman, Sopoaga, and Smith in.

#3. The reason why we have a mountain of free agents is because it fit perfectly with a new GM and new HC's approach: if we evaluated the talent over the course of one season and needed to rebuild, we could do so with minimal negative impact on the salary cap. I give more props to Paraag on this one than the other two.

#4. The Mays draft pick was a bad move, and it shows how much respect Baalke had for a pick when he sent a league-wide email about his availability. Bad PR move? Absolutely. But this goes to show that it wasn't really his pick. If your head coach is itching for a player and thinks he's a perfect fit, you put your trust in your coach and get that player or you overrule him. Baalke wasn't the GM at that time...so it's really tough to evaluate the decision process.

It's true what he during the press conference when Harbaugh was named coach: I have final say over the roster, but it is a collective partnership between the front office and coaching staff to acquire the right talent. The element of trust.

And who knows what we initially offered to Harbaugh...I'd bet his agent put stuff in the media to drive the price up...like any good agent is paid to do. Baalke and York got the guy they wanted. And they did it in a blue collar way: meeting at a friend's house with a home cooked meal.

#5. Having a good front office, coaching staff, and culture of a team are three key elements many free agents look for in a new team. Prior to this season's success, we had bad head coaches, a front office that had initially busted on a QB and failed to replace that QB, and a playoff drought that had lasted nearly a decade. We are now in a position to sign players to contracts that may not pay the most - it's because they want to be part of this team.

The days of Jonas Jennings and Nate Clements contracts are over.

The fact that Baalke has been nominated for executive of the year speaks well for the work that Baalke has done.

He has clearly earned the nomination, if for nothing else his hiring of Harbaugh, but the totality of his work goes beyond that hiring.

The obvious benefits of his work negate the criticisms that have been made on this board.

Good for Baalke and good for he team.

But, I will acknowledge that the crux of the matter will be determined in the years that come.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Thanks for the recommendation.

Let's be real people, Baalke is not the one bettering the organization, it is all Harbaugh and staff. Let's take the offense: The Niners offense has the same personnel as last year, except for a few tweeks, Miller and Goodwin. Are Miller and Goodwin making the difference in this team, compared to Baas and Norris? No. This is Harbaugh's magic, not Baalke's genius. By the way, our very own Baalke did not make a move on the offensive line this year to replace Rachal, who was the incumbent to win the job. That is genius? No.

On defense, the team let Franklin explore free agency, tried to get him back, but lost out to the Saints. The Niners shifted DL personnel, and did make one bold and aggressive move I do give credit to Baalke, signing McDonald. The rest of the front seven starting unit is the same. The secondary is largely the same, subbing Rogers for Clements, and Whitner for the R. Smith (injured) and Mays (49ers bust) combo. Rogers was a stroke of luck, not genius. We tried to bid for a number of free agents before signing him, and there was obviously no belief he would be anywhere close to as good as he has been , or he would have been the number 2 or 3 free agent CB on the market, not the 7th or 8th signed to a whopping one-year deal. Pure, blind luck, not genius.

I will tip my hat to his draft selection of Bowman last year.....right after the pick of Taylor Mays....genius....uh, how about Morgan Burnett?

Let's be real, the difference-maker is Harbaugh and company. And, the Niners almost threw away a slam dunk signing by lowballing his offer, allowing other teams to jump in and compete for his services. Lucky that he: 1) Wanted to stay in the Bay Area for his kid's schooling; 2) The Niners are in the Bay Area; 3) He wanted to coach for an NFL team. Again, "All Praise to Baalke" for signing Harbaugh is a joke. An elementary school negotiator could have finished this deal. Hardly genius.

I am saying right now that unless his approach changes, and we become active in free agency, instead of waiting to scrape the bargin bin basement players off the pile, this is not a long-range winning approach. The mountain of free agents on this roster is massive, and if we think we can play lowball in signing free agents this next year, in a regular NFL year (not altered by a lockout), we cannot expect more miracles to happen. Let's not roll the dice, and see what the 8th ranked CB in the free agent market does next year for this team.

I encourage those to not take this personally. This is about a philosophy to player personnel matters, not torturing puppies.

Who was it that hired Harbaugh?

You should admit that your speculations about that hiring are nothing more than your speculations--interesting, but not much more.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Thanks for the recommendation.

Let's be real people, Baalke is not the one bettering the organization, it is all Harbaugh and staff. Let's take the offense: The Niners offense has the same personnel as last year, except for a few tweeks, Miller and Goodwin. Are Miller and Goodwin making the difference in this team, compared to Baas and Norris? No. This is Harbaugh's magic, not Baalke's genius. By the way, our very own Baalke did not make a move on the offensive line this year to replace Rachal, who was the incumbent to win the job. That is genius? No.

On defense, the team let Franklin explore free agency, tried to get him back, but lost out to the Saints. The Niners shifted DL personnel, and did make one bold and aggressive move I do give credit to Baalke, signing McDonald. The rest of the front seven starting unit is the same. The secondary is largely the same, subbing Rogers for Clements, and Whitner for the R. Smith (injured) and Mays (49ers bust) combo. Rogers was a stroke of luck, not genius. We tried to bid for a number of free agents before signing him, and there was obviously no belief he would be anywhere close to as good as he has been , or he would have been the number 2 or 3 free agent CB on the market, not the 7th or 8th signed to a whopping one-year deal. Pure, blind luck, not genius.

I will tip my hat to his draft selection of Bowman last year.....right after the pick of Taylor Mays....genius....uh, how about Morgan Burnett?

Let's be real, the difference-maker is Harbaugh and company. And, the Niners almost threw away a slam dunk signing by lowballing his offer, allowing other teams to jump in and compete for his services. Lucky that he: 1) Wanted to stay in the Bay Area for his kid's schooling; 2) The Niners are in the Bay Area; 3) He wanted to coach for an NFL team. Again, "All Praise to Baalke" for signing Harbaugh is a joke. An elementary school negotiator could have finished this deal. Hardly genius.

I am saying right now that unless his approach changes, and we become active in free agency, instead of waiting to scrape the bargin bin basement players off the pile, this is not a long-range winning approach. The mountain of free agents on this roster is massive, and if we think we can play lowball in signing free agents this next year, in a regular NFL year (not altered by a lockout), we cannot expect more miracles to happen. Let's not roll the dice, and see what the 8th ranked CB in the free agent market does next year for this team.

I encourage those to not take this personally. This is about a philosophy to player personnel matters, not torturing puppies.

One difference in the front seven?

McDonald, Soap, Aldon, Bowman, Brooks. That is 5 out of 7.
Whitner, Rogers. That is 2 out of 4.

Total: 7 out of 11 of our positions on defense have different starters.

McDonald was 3rd down specialist last year. He is starting now. That is a major change. Harbaugh's film study concluded this was the best option?
Soap is playing NT instead of LE. That is a major position change. Harbaugh knew Soap had this capability, just by watching film?
Aldon is a pass rush specialist, who is our best pass rusher, and has provided a huge boost over Haralson for about 40% of our snaps. Harbaugh hand-picked him?
Bowman is starting this year. They decided to let Spikes walk. Do you think this is because Harbaugh looked at the game film and thought the upgrade was obvious?
Brooks is starting this year. Again, MAJOR decision to let another good player walk (Lawson) in order to upgrade the position. Harbaugh figured this out too?

Rogers. Harbaugh again?
Whiter. Come on now. It's getting ridiculous.

To not give Baalke the majority of the credit for the DEFENSIVE changes is absurd. Harbaugh/Fangio didn't just watch film and decide to overhaul 7 out of 11 of our defensive starters. He got input from someone else. Maybe, just maybe, he got some input from our general manager. The guy who knew our players 10 times better than Harbaugh ever could have by watching film in the off-season. Baalke gave him the ideas, Harbaugh listened and signed off on it.
A guy who has never seen our players up close is not going to overhaul an entire defense without major input from the GM.

Of course they'll say they "worked together", but this is obviously the work of our GM, not the rookie coach who had no off-season to even meet with the players in person.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Thanks for the recommendation.

Let's be real people, Baalke is not the one bettering the organization, it is all Harbaugh and staff. Let's take the offense: The Niners offense has the same personnel as last year, except for a few tweeks, Miller and Goodwin. Are Miller and Goodwin making the difference in this team, compared to Baas and Norris? No. This is Harbaugh's magic, not Baalke's genius. By the way, our very own Baalke did not make a move on the offensive line this year to replace Rachal, who was the incumbent to win the job. That is genius? No.

On defense, the team let Franklin explore free agency, tried to get him back, but lost out to the Saints. The Niners shifted DL personnel, and did make one bold and aggressive move I do give credit to Baalke, signing McDonald. The rest of the front seven starting unit is the same. The secondary is largely the same, subbing Rogers for Clements, and Whitner for the R. Smith (injured) and Mays (49ers bust) combo. Rogers was a stroke of luck, not genius. We tried to bid for a number of free agents before signing him, and there was obviously no belief he would be anywhere close to as good as he has been , or he would have been the number 2 or 3 free agent CB on the market, not the 7th or 8th signed to a whopping one-year deal. Pure, blind luck, not genius.

I will tip my hat to his draft selection of Bowman last year.....right after the pick of Taylor Mays....genius....uh, how about Morgan Burnett?

Let's be real, the difference-maker is Harbaugh and company. And, the Niners almost threw away a slam dunk signing by lowballing his offer, allowing other teams to jump in and compete for his services. Lucky that he: 1) Wanted to stay in the Bay Area for his kid's schooling; 2) The Niners are in the Bay Area; 3) He wanted to coach for an NFL team. Again, "All Praise to Baalke" for signing Harbaugh is a joke. An elementary school negotiator could have finished this deal. Hardly genius.

I am saying right now that unless his approach changes, and we become active in free agency, instead of waiting to scrape the bargin bin basement players off the pile, this is not a long-range winning approach. The mountain of free agents on this roster is massive, and if we think we can play lowball in signing free agents this next year, in a regular NFL year (not altered by a lockout), we cannot expect more miracles to happen. Let's not roll the dice, and see what the 8th ranked CB in the free agent market does next year for this team.

I encourage those to not take this personally. This is about a philosophy to player personnel matters, not torturing puppies.

Sounds like someone is having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that they were wrong!

Straight hater!!!

Originally posted by Ramp19smoker:
Sounds like someone is having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that they were wrong!

Straight hater!!!

This.

Originally posted by Amir:

Originally posted by Ramp19smoker:
Sounds like someone is having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that they were wrong!

Straight hater!!!

This.

He wasn't wrong, Baalke just has a has a horseshoe up his a$$.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

I am saying right now that unless his approach changes, and we become active in free agency, instead of waiting to scrape the bargin bin basement players off the pile, this is not a long-range winning approach. The mountain of free agents on this roster is massive, and if we think we can play lowball in signing free agents this next year, in a regular NFL year (not altered by a lockout), we cannot expect more miracles to happen. Let's not roll the dice, and see what the 8th ranked CB in the free agent market does next year for this team.

I encourage those to not take this personally. This is about a philosophy to player personnel matters, not torturing puppies.

MD,

You've been overquoted in this thread and I'm sorry to do it again, but I have to chime in about the above bolded statement. That is exactly how the Patriot's started their superbowl years. The paid reasonable prices for low end free agents instead of breaking the bank on big name players. When they have overpaid (the Raven's lb whose name escapes me), it came back to bite them.

Originally posted by Nuns:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

I am saying right now that unless his approach changes, and we become active in free agency, instead of waiting to scrape the bargin bin basement players off the pile, this is not a long-range winning approach. The mountain of free agents on this roster is massive, and if we think we can play lowball in signing free agents this next year, in a regular NFL year (not altered by a lockout), we cannot expect more miracles to happen. Let's not roll the dice, and see what the 8th ranked CB in the free agent market does next year for this team.

I encourage those to not take this personally. This is about a philosophy to player personnel matters, not torturing puppies.

MD,

You've been overquoted in this thread and I'm sorry to do it again, but I have to chime in about the above bolded statement. That is exactly how the Patriot's started their superbowl years. The paid reasonable prices for low end free agents instead of breaking the bank on big name players. When they have overpaid (the Raven's lb whose name escapes me), it came back to bite them.

Adalius Thomas . . . who we were supposedly going hard after . . . and thank goodness we lost out.