New Principle Owner Jed York Thread

Originally posted by socalfan21:
I think we are nearing an end to the Shanahan lynch era within the next 2-3 years. It looking like shanahan's incompetence in roster building is coming to a head. Jed is not putting up with his b******t anymore

I take issue with the incompetence jibe, no one keeps their team right at the top for years on end. But the issue was injuries over the last year, not a poor roster. That being said I am well aware that a number of posters really want Shanahan and Lynch out. I do wonder who they want in their place. I go back to the Bill Walsh days, and, after Seifert, we had to suffer for a long time before we saw a decent HC and that was without much of a GM. And after Harbaugh, again we were in trouble. I do not want to go back through those times again.

I am reasonably impressed with Jed, and I doubt if he is planning on doing anything as serious as sacking the two key guys. If you have ever been in management you will know that there is a vast chasm of options available before that. If he is unhappy about the financial side and roster quality, he would I imagine be leaning on Paraag to work more closely with Lynch. Jed has shown, though, that he is not running a hire and fire outfit. And despite the negative belief of a few posters, Shanahan is still a very highly regarded head coach and Lynch likewise as a general manager. The reason for the negativity is primarily the injury plague in the last few years and particularly last year. The current youth movement ought to start that rolling back.

As to comments like "Jed is not putting up with his b******t anymore", a couple of posters keep saying this. It is an unfounded accusation unless Jed has had a quiet work with you about it.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by genus49:
Well this way some folks in here may get their non Kyle Shanahan 49ers sooner rather than later.

I know when it comes to football decisions the guy I want to make them is Paraag!

Maybe it's a good thing that the Yorks are going to be more stingy with their cash since I think the spending is what could lead to Kyle and John getting fired.

But yeah, hearing the Yorks are going to be "ruthless" is never a comforting thought given their track record. Those disgruntled fans forget how bad things could really get.

Agreed it's not comforting to hear.

Originally posted by genus49:
Like I said if this was the 80s or 90s Kyle wins that game since we'd be playing by the old OT rules and the FG wins the game and KC never gets a chance. Simple as that and that's not even getting into all the rule changes, officiating stuff we had to deal with or the salary cap that Walsh didn't have to worry about.

I'm tempted to create a thread for the older fans who just want to live in negativity. They want an echo chamber, they can just talk about the good ol days and yell at Shanahan and whomever else they want to blame,.,

I actually once felt that such a thread or forum, just for the over-50 age group, would be a good idea.
It was not on this forum obviously. Someplace else. I don't necessarily feel that way now.
However, there may be a sizable number of people here who do.

Has anyone actually read the article by Mike Silver? I was watching Larry Kruger, and he mentioned that the article says that the front office wants Shanny to focus entirely on coaching and not on contracts. If this is true, this is actually great news. Sure, Shanny should have some input on the roster, but he shouldn't be involved in the negotiations. I never understood why he got involved in the BA deal and saved him from getting traded. I think that was likely the catalyst to this change, which could be a blessing in disguise. He also reiterated that Kyle and John's seats aren't even lukewarm.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Has anyone actually read the article by Mike Silver? I was watching Larry Kruger, and he mentioned that the article says that the front office wants Shanny to focus entirely on coaching and not on contracts. If this is true, this is actually great news. Sure, Shanny should have some input on the roster, but he shouldn't be involved in the negotiations. I never understood why he got involved in the BA deal and saved him from getting traded. I think that was likely the catalyst to this change, which could be a blessing in disguise. He also reiterated that Kyle and John's seats aren't even lukewarm.

Agreed. The HC should be separated from contract negotiations. I doubt this was the first time he's done this. Sure sounds like the last though

Originally posted by Heroism:
Has anyone actually read the article by Mike Silver? I was watching Larry Kruger, and he mentioned that the article says that the front office wants Shanny to focus entirely on coaching and not on contracts. If this is true, this is actually great news. Sure, Shanny should have some input on the roster, but he shouldn't be involved in the negotiations. I never understood why he got involved in the BA deal and saved him from getting traded. I think that was likely the catalyst to this change, which could be a blessing in disguise. He also reiterated that Kyle and John's seats aren't even lukewarm.

I think Jed has done what he had to do since Shanahan/Lynch took over. Let smart football people make decisions and he cuts the checks. When you spend $300m+ in a 6 win season you have the right to question how decisions are made.

It reads like they want to spend money - but allocate it differently. To me, this sounds like being willing to trade a star or two for premium draft capital and use the funds to pay the middle class players earlier and cheaper - before they become bonafide stars themselves.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Has anyone actually read the article by Mike Silver? I was watching Larry Kruger, and he mentioned that the article says that the front office wants Shanny to focus entirely on coaching and not on contracts. If this is true, this is actually great news. Sure, Shanny should have some input on the roster, but he shouldn't be involved in the negotiations. I never understood why he got involved in the BA deal and saved him from getting traded. I think that was likely the catalyst to this change, which could be a blessing in disguise. He also reiterated that Kyle and John's seats aren't even lukewarm.

To be fair he also got involved in the Trent Williams deal or Trent was going to the Chiefs.

I heard Jimmy Johnson (who announced his retirement from FOX) talking about his relationshio with Jerry Jones. He said it was great at first because Jerry was concentrating on paying for that new stadium. Then he said once it was paid off he decided to get involved with personnel and coaching and ithe relationship went south.

Owners, GMs and HCs need to have defined rolls so they don't interfere with each other. These guys are together a lot and can quickly get on each others nerves if they start interfering.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I heard Jimmy Johnson (who announced his retirement from FOX) talking about his relationshio with Jerry Jones. He said it was great at first because Jerry was concentrating on paying for that new stadium. Then he said once it was paid off he decided to get involved with personnel and coaching and ithe relationship went south.

Owners, GMs and HCs need to have defined rolls so they don't interfere with each other. These guys are together a lot and can quickly get on each others nerves if they start interfering.

I mean. Yeah. But it is his team. If he wants people to actually focus on their roles then it is his right to do so. I think where it could get uncomfortable is if upper management shuts down everything Kyle/Lynch want. Right? Then we are not showing trust. The thing that has to be restored, and if that is too strong, let's say, reinforced is that we want to make sound decisions as a team.

Originally posted by fropwns:

Just like in 1988 when Eddie reduced Bill Walsh's role in the front office and told him to just focus on coaching. This thing with Jed doesn't seem as drastic, but it kinda feels like a start to something.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Has anyone actually read the article by Mike Silver? I was watching Larry Kruger, and he mentioned that the article says that the front office wants Shanny to focus entirely on coaching and not on contracts. If this is true, this is actually great news. Sure, Shanny should have some input on the roster, but he shouldn't be involved in the negotiations. I never understood why he got involved in the BA deal and saved him from getting traded. I think that was likely the catalyst to this change, which could be a blessing in disguise. He also reiterated that Kyle and John's seats aren't even lukewarm.

And there's no reason for there seats to be lukewarm with all the success they've achieved in a short period they are golden for several more years unless they completely shift the bed. You have coaches like John Harbaugh who can't even make a superbowl appearance with the league mvp at qb and then there is Pittsburgh head coach who hasn't won a playoff game in like 20 years but those are great coaches and the niners should fire Shanahan?

If anything it reads like Jed backing Lynch more in being the GM with Kyle being asked to let Lynch make the tough personnel calls. I'd say this is a good development overall for reasons others stated above.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Has anyone actually read the article by Mike Silver? I was watching Larry Kruger, and he mentioned that the article says that the front office wants Shanny to focus entirely on coaching and not on contracts. If this is true, this is actually great news. Sure, Shanny should have some input on the roster, but he shouldn't be involved in the negotiations. I never understood why he got involved in the BA deal and saved him from getting traded. I think that was likely the catalyst to this change, which could be a blessing in disguise. He also reiterated that Kyle and John's seats aren't even lukewarm.

To be fair he also got involved in the Trent Williams deal or Trent was going to the Chiefs.

Is that right? As I recall, we had made a deal to "take care of his family" 3 years earlier, giving him a 6 year contract. I thought his options were to play or to retire. If we had the chance to trade him to the Chiefs or anyone else commensurate with his level of play, we should have taken it.

I think all of this Silver news is GREAT. I've always thought and said Kyle's attachment to past glory players and Lynch's statement that he would never deny Kyle what he needed drove this team into stupid decisions. And there IS room for improvement on Kyle's playcalling and game management. Perhaps paying attention to doing that job will help. Non football people do not need to make personnel decisions. John Lynch just needs to be told to be smart, and don't let Kyle's attachment to players supersede his measured judgement. I have every confidence in him. He just needs to be told he's the boss.

Is Jed about to become an ego maniac again?