Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Fair enough but I still don't understand how that some how negates the fact that he's very efficient and...well...pretty good.
I didn't realize there was a NFL bible that said in order to be "elite" or "good" you have to attempt 30 passes/game, throw for 300 yards and 3 TDs, and your team has to rely on you...?
My point is: this is a circular argument based on everyone's view of what a QB "should be like."
I don't think anyone is saying this.
I think people are saying the more a team relies on you to win (as a QB), the more chances you are going to have to make mistakes. Not only are you being asked to throw more, you're often being asked to make more risky throws, especially if you're playing from behind every game and can't settle for 3 and outs, field goals etc.
Alex Smith's QB ratings from games with over 30 attempts-
Bengals: 85.6(30 att)
Eagles: 112.1(33 att)
Lions: 60(32 att)
Giants: 85.7 (30 att)
Cardinals: 81.8 (38 att)
Under 30 attempts-
Seahawks: 90.4 (20 att)
Cowboys: 99.1 (24 att)
Bucs: 127.2 (19 att)
Browns: 98.8 (24 att)
Redskins: 109.7 (24 att)
Ravens: 61.1 (23 att)
Okay, Baugh - you're right, he's not very good. What should we do? Same question to all the other Smith detractors. What do you guys think the answer is?
1.) Nobody with any common sense is saying Smith isn't good this year/hasn't played well
2.) There's nothing to do or no other answer at this point...Alex is the QB and we're going to live and die with him in 2011
3.) If we wins it all, he deserves all the praise due him including an extension to stay here (IMO)
4.) Should he falter in the playoffs, he should be re-evaluated (is he the long-term answer or can another QB take us to the next level)
Fair enough?
Sounds like a whole lot of backpedalling...
Question for you and the rest of the detractors. Let's say we have a shot at Peyton Manning next season, would you sign him? Understand it will cost us $25 million per year, when we could get Alex for $8-$10 million. So that eats up $15 million that we could have used to sign Carlos Rogers, Dashon Goldson, etc. Do you think Manning is worth losing $15 million worth of other players?
(Mods I have a point here about Alex, bear with me)
Your responses are childish, and you don't seem to get nuance, but I'll answer you anyway. I would sign Peyton Manning in a hot second if we could, because with him as our QB and the defense we have, we would be the odds-on favorite to win it all. What you don't seem to understand is that you can manipulate the cap to spread Manning's cost in such a way that would allow you to sign him and other critical players. Not to even mention that we wouldn't even need a dominating defense if Manning was our QB (see the Colts for the last decade).
So to your question, yes (a healthy) Peyton is worth losing whatever cap space he would eat up. That's hardly debatable.
Childish? This coming from you = funny.
You thinking that we can sign Peyton Manning AND have the defense we have is naive and foolish. When you spend that much cap space on one player, the rest of the roster takes a huge hit (see 2011 Colts as an example).
My point wasn't to compare Smith and Manning, of course Manning is better. I'm simply trying to s**t the detractor's argument of "Alex sucks" to give me a solution. It's easy for the haters to pick at this or that regarding Smith's game, but none of you ever offer a real life solution to your "problem."
1.) What part of "I don't hate Alex" do you not get??????
2.) I already said this, so listen up, "THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION. ALEX IS OUR QB. NOTHING ELSE TO BE DONE HERE" Did you get that?
3.) I was asked who I thought was a better QB than Smith, so I replied. That doesn't mean I want Alex to ride the bench, or that he isn't playing REALLY well this year, or that he can't take us all the way.
4.) The year the Colts won the SB, they were 23rd in points allowed, and 21st in yards given up. Mediocre defense, but they still won it all. Hmmmm, I wonder why?
5.) You don't have to "USE" all of your cap space to sign a big-time free agent ("use" and "spend" are two different matters when talking NFL capology). You can strategically spread his signing bonus (spending money) over a fairly long period of time, allowing you to conserve precious cap space (using your annual allotment of cap room) all while giving the player his money. It's not rocket science.
