BATTLE OF THE BAY CANCELED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by elhebrewhammer:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
The reason the stick doesn't get loud is because we have some weak ass fans. everytime I stand up and get super loud on 3rd down on defense someone behind me will tell me to sit down. I don't listen to them though and I stay loud the whoe game. Evrytime I go to a game I lose my voice.

I hate the fans who cheer when we are on offense and in the huddle or at the line. Man, that annoys me.

Over the past 10 years, the demographics of 49er fans have changed dramatically. Prior to 2000 or so, the overwhelming majority of season ticket holders were WW2 vets and Baby Boomers. They were dyed-in-the-wool football fans, and very knowledgeable, and very civil in their behavior. There were occasional fights but nothing like in the past decade.

Now, as those people have gotten older and find the rigors of getting to their seats in the stadium too much for them, many of their seats have been taken over by younger fans who seem more interested in getting drunk than watching the game, the behavior has taken a turn for the worse. Though some of them are knowledgeable fans who know when to cheer and when to be quiet, it is my observation that they are far less knowledgeable than the people who sat around us in the '90s and before.

This is so true, many of the older fans are gone. And the younger fans are very rowdy and also the gang element (norteneos) is very much in play.

I want to tell you guys that you are wrong because I'm a younger fan and my dad is more of the baby boomer generation fan. He was a fan in the late 60s and has been ever since. I grew up a Niner fan and the people I watch and hang around with are not the troublesome type you speak of and they are more or less my generation.

Unfortunately, I definitely know where you guys are coming from and have seen it on many occasions. Maybe I was raised differently and became educated and many of the my friends and fellow fans are from a similar background.

*One thing though...before Saturday, the closes I ever came to a fight was with a wine and cheese fan with a gray beard, so I know the old guys will cross the line sometimes too.*

Originally posted by 49ersNoKaOi:
Ban all raiders fans..... Solves all problems.

they are cancelling all this crap so the yorks don't get sued.

Saw some footage of the fights today on the local NY news. Looks like most of the offense was from Niner fans.

Just what we need. A team that stinks...........combined with fans that stink as well. Maybe the Niners/Raiders should share a stadium, as there's no differentiating the 2 fanbases.

Man, I miss the good ole days.......Niner fans were classy back then, not like the crap that sits in the stands with no intent to cheer for the team, but rather to get drunk and stir trouble.

Way to improve the image, San Franciscans

Originally posted by mfe8092:
Saw some footage of the fights today on the local NY news. Looks like most of the offense was from Niner fans.

Just what we need. A team that stinks...........combined with fans that stink as well. Maybe the Niners/Raiders should share a stadium, as there's no differentiating the 2 fanbases.

Man, I miss the good ole days.......Niner fans were classy back then, not like the crap that sits in the stands with no intent to cheer for the team, but rather to get drunk and stir trouble.

Way to improve the image, San Franciscans

Sure, i shall one guy that looked like a raider fan, and the rest just niner fans hitting him and each other. A few drunk people make the whole fan base look bad!

Originally posted by djfullshred:
From what I saw a few years ago, no surprise this was coming. That last one I went to was so disgusting an experience it made me not want to go see NFL games live anymore. Don't have any teardrop tattoos on my face, so I don't fit in with the typical NFL fan anymore.

I agree man. I wont go to Raider Vs Niner games anymore. I've been in some serious fights myself & have seen some fkd up s**t. It's never like this or that rowdy @ a niner home game unless it's vs the raiders.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by elhebrewhammer:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
The reason the stick doesn't get loud is because we have some weak ass fans. everytime I stand up and get super loud on 3rd down on defense someone behind me will tell me to sit down. I don't listen to them though and I stay loud the whoe game. Evrytime I go to a game I lose my voice.

I hate the fans who cheer when we are on offense and in the huddle or at the line. Man, that annoys me.

Over the past 10 years, the demographics of 49er fans have changed dramatically. Prior to 2000 or so, the overwhelming majority of season ticket holders were WW2 vets and Baby Boomers. They were dyed-in-the-wool football fans, and very knowledgeable, and very civil in their behavior. There were occasional fights but nothing like in the past decade.

Now, as those people have gotten older and find the rigors of getting to their seats in the stadium too much for them, many of their seats have been taken over by younger fans who seem more interested in getting drunk than watching the game, the behavior has taken a turn for the worse. Though some of them are knowledgeable fans who know when to cheer and when to be quiet, it is my observation that they are far less knowledgeable than the people who sat around us in the '90s and before.

You BOTH have points that can't be denied or ignored. If we could get a nice balance of both it would be perfect. So much for that.

Let me tell you, what happened on Saturday night was not gang related. OF COURSE there were gangsters everywhere, they like football too. The problem is if I heckle a normal fan I'd get heckled back. Gangbangers don't have that tolerance in them. They're not going to sit and argue. They bite, they don't bark. What does this have to do with anything? We all know that any other home game is nothing like that. These fools don't show up to watch us play the Rams in the rain in December. Now they've messed it up for all of us. This does NOT represent how we act during games during the regular season at all, in fact I tend to agree with ninerfan4life most times. Not even when Dallas comes to town does it get this crazy....so let's analyze.

IMHO I'm blaming Oakland. I believe it was provoked. Look, I'm not stupid. I realize that if I were to gear up in some NY Giants and go to a Philly game, it would not be smart. I know there are altercations all over the country, etc, etc, etc. I get that. But since it was the night the gangsters took over, let's look at it like that. SF fans/tailgate has never been known as scary, intimidating, rowdy, none of that, right? Wine & cheese. Whiners. That's what we are labeled. Oh but Oakland? You better watch out! Are you insane to go there? Did you get beat up? Oakland Coliseum has a reputation because it earned it. The Raider "Nation" is just that because across the country, if you don't have a team and you think your a bad ass, you choose the "image". The Black Hole. Anybody down to go in the middle of that section in a 9ers jersey? No, cuz we're not crazy and the whole country knows what would happen. So its, the dark side. So scary. Accepted.

NOW. You get all this woofin from the scary Raider fans saying they're going to come take over the wine and cheese. Then the gangster SF fans, take it personally. Then you get Saturday night. So really I guess it was gang related. The 9ers gangsters vs the Raiders gangsters. But really, I get how the gangsters can get irritated. I'm just civil and know how to control my emotions. Raider fans take the mystique, the image that the Raider players had in the 70's and personify it. How much can a fan base take? To know the Raiders are coming to your town means that you know the fans that will follow are ready to start something. I've been to SD. Nice Stadium. Cool fans. The usual heckling. But what happens when the Raiders are in town? Everybody is tense because of this image that's glorified. Crazy things happen in SD when Oak is in town. Denver? KC? It's one thing if your stadium is rowdy ,like some in the east, but no one is going to worry if a bus full of Eagles fans come in for a game. They may be loud but you won't automatically be on the defensive.

Whooo. Thanks for listening.. Like i said, just my opinion. I hope everyone involved gets whats coming to them but I don't think we need to worry anymore. If we don't play Oakland, there won't be anyone there asking, "what you gonna do about it?" and this won't happen again. But now I can't eat after the game and have to sit in traffic. Thanks for messing it up for all of us.

I think Al Davis banned the rivalry so we can stop knocking Jason Campbell out of the game.

Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Wow, nice going dumbasses.

And how...too much gang BS, clowns with shaved heads, tats..too much TV...

Originally posted by mfe8092:
Saw some footage of the fights today on the local NY news. Looks like most of the offense was from Niner fans.

Just what we need. A team that stinks...........combined with fans that stink as well. Maybe the Niners/Raiders should share a stadium, as there's no differentiating the 2 fanbases.

Man, I miss the good ole days.......Niner fans were classy back then, not like the crap that sits in the stands with no intent to cheer for the team, but rather to get drunk and stir trouble.

Way to improve the image, San Franciscans

There's a new troll in town

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
It's really a shame. I went to the 9er/raider preseason game like 5 years ago and thought it was really fun. It seemed pretty good natured when i was there. All the fans were mixed up and the trash talking was heavy, but pretty light hearted and fun. I even saw couples wearing opposite gear. It was a little thuggy, but it still seemed like a fun, relatively friendly rivalry.

I'm sad to see that's gone away.

lol i must have missed that. mad fights

Originally posted by zainladha:
its sucks that it was gang related. I never knew our rivalry anyway? there in the AFC and were In The NFC

yes but man gangs take it out of control & so do fans. i can't tell you how many times i've seen fights breakout between niner & raider fans. sad, but there's a really deep hatered out there & a lot of people either choose to ignore it or refuse to believe it but it's real. all it takes is a bunch of drunk idiots on both sides.

Did not 3 Ravens fans beat up a Kansas City fan during Friday's game in Baltimore? I believe i heard something like that

I've been a season ticket holder since we got the nickname of wine sippers. In the last 10 years I've noticed more and more rif raf and gang thugs showing up to games. Mostly because the team has been so lousey for so long. Some of it is season ticket holders selling of their tickets, some are not renewing their tickets and some of it is the team selling cheap tickets to just get rid of them. Anyway, the flavor of the stadium has changed imensely. I now feel like I'm at a Raiders game every week. I'm glad my daughter is in college now because I wouldn't want her going to a game.

Originally posted by smashmouth51:
I've been a season ticket holder since we got the nickname of wine sippers. In the last 10 years I've noticed more and more rif raf and gang thugs showing up to games. Mostly because the team has been so lousey for so long. Some of it is season ticket holders selling of their tickets, some are not renewing their tickets and some of it is the team selling cheap tickets to just get rid of them. Anyway, the flavor of the stadium has changed imensely. I now feel like I'm at a Raiders game every week. I'm glad my daughter is in college now because I wouldn't want her going to a game.

Then you should know that it was way worse before, just because then the thug dress code is not like it is today doesn't mean it has gotten worse.