manny lawson 8th most productive pass rusher in nfl

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's a little underrated by this board and by the 49ers. We will miss him and his speed and length in coverage.

and he completely shuts down teh run on his side of the field

I agree. He's a good player with his speed and ranginess. Who cares if he doesn't get huge #'s of sacks. He's still good and worth keeping for the right price.

agree. A great defensive scheme could generate pressure but you can't find LB's like his with his coverage ability and run stopping ability that easy. He has more of an impact on the game than what his stats indicate.

parys the fire plug should be the one out the door not manny. it is what it is i wish the dude well

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's a little underrated by this board and by the 49ers. We will miss him and his speed and length in coverage.

and he completely shuts down teh run on his side of the field

I agree. He's a good player with his speed and ranginess. Who cares if he doesn't get huge #'s of sacks. He's still good and worth keeping for the right price.

Yeah, definitely underrated... he gets pressure but not many sacks. We didn't send him a lot last year either. He is excellent against the run and sets the edge well. Excellent in coverage. I'd love to have him back for a reasonable price but with the way FA's are getting paid this year he is gone. We have high hopes for Aldon to replace him right off the bat.

I've got a stat that proves I am the most accurate passer in NFL history

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Are we still quoting the hacks over at profootball focus??? How many times to we have to expose those guys trying to make money off their site???? It's like The Bleacher Report version of Football Outsiders.

I agree that there are flaws in the efforts, but this was just a standard pressure per rush type of ratio.

Fu*k it... everyone has made up their minds about him, so no real point in arguing his value anymore.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Are we still quoting the hacks over at profootball focus??? How many times to we have to expose those guys trying to make money off their site???? It's like The Bleacher Report version of Football Outsiders.

I agree that there are flaws in the efforts, but this was just a standard pressure per rush type of ratio.

Fu*k it... everyone has made up their minds about him, so no real point in arguing his value anymore.

the top 10 in that list(besides lawson) were all major sack leaders cant be too many flaws in it

McCloughan built this team to pressure the QB, not get sacks and almost disrupt the throws.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Are we still quoting the hacks over at profootball focus??? How many times to we have to expose those guys trying to make money off their site???? It's like The Bleacher Report version of Football Outsiders.

I agree that there are flaws in the efforts, but this was just a standard pressure per rush type of ratio.

Fu*k it... everyone has made up their minds about him, so no real point in arguing his value anymore.

the top 10 in that list(besides lawson) were all major sack leaders cant be too many flaws in it

I think the major flaw is that all the other top 10 pass rushers on that list rush the passer the majority of the time. The opposing teams know that these guys are coming yet still cannot stop them from wrecking havoc in the backfield. Manny Lawson does not have the ability to go mano e mano with OTs and win that matchup consistently. I don't care what the chart says, we have all seen the man play.

Having said that I do like Manny Lawson and appreciate the skills that he brings to the table (speed, range versus the run). I just don't think he is a good fit for us, It's time to get a legit pass rusher at his spot.

[ Edited by SofaKing on Jul 27, 2011 at 17:25:42 ]

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Are we still quoting the hacks over at profootball focus??? How many times to we have to expose those guys trying to make money off their site???? It's like The Bleacher Report version of Football Outsiders.

I agree that there are flaws in the efforts, but this was just a standard pressure per rush type of ratio.

Fu*k it... everyone has made up their minds about him, so no real point in arguing his value anymore.

Who judges "pressure"? I raised this issue before in questioning this list. I find it interesting that no other reputable site attempts to judge "pressure".

So you would impugn the 1 site that takes stats to the next level?

Fine... it is fine, really. Like I said, I see nothing gained from debating this whatsoever. Manny is likely gone.... some will be happy... some not... some indifferent. Really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

i hope we keep him, just seems to need to play with a mean streak or just play angry. well known he is awsome in pass defense and pretty good at stopping the run and its known he plays well at setting the edge. but i think even he would agree sacks are needed at that position.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Are we still quoting the hacks over at profootball focus??? How many times to we have to expose those guys trying to make money off their site???? It's like The Bleacher Report version of Football Outsiders.

I agree that there are flaws in the efforts, but this was just a standard pressure per rush type of ratio.

Fu*k it... everyone has made up their minds about him, so no real point in arguing his value anymore.

Who judges "pressure"? I raised this issue before in questioning this list. I find it interesting that no other reputable site attempts to judge "pressure".

So you would impugn the 1 site that takes stats to the next level?

Fine... it is fine, really. Like I said, I see nothing gained from debating this whatsoever. Manny is likely gone.... some will be happy... some not... some indifferent. Really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

I impugn them because this isn't a objectively quantifiable statistical category, not because they're the only site trying to make that attempt.

True.

i don't give a s**t what their stats say, he is NOT the 8th most productive pass rusher in the NFL. anyone who actually watches our team knows that.

what manny lawson IS is a good player in run support and can provide solid coverage. everytime he rushes the QB and sacks the QB it is a coverage sack. the guy scares no one coming on a blitz.

i would like to have him back but if someone else is going to pay him big bucks then so be it. we are a 3-4 team THAT GETS NO PRESSURE FROM IT'S OLB'S! that is absolutely ridiculous. it's time for a change.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Search button isn't working, but I really think we need to sign this guy. We will never have two elite passrushers (Cant afford). Why not make Aldon the feature and Lawson the clean up? We've got more than enough cheddar available.

My thoughts exactly!! ya he was was not drafted to be great in run support or coverage or range!! I just do not see how it is a bad idea to have aldon and manny; seeing as how we have so many viable and better replacements at the moment.

This stat is pretty worthless because you're comparing them against people who rush the qb 2 to 3x more than Lawson and Haralson.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Jul 27, 2011 at 17:52:51 ]

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/20/three-years-of-pass-rushing-productivity-edge-rushers/

formula is qb pressure/ total qb rushes


he has 15% pressure rate for every time he rushes


1st is hali with a 17%

What do they actually consider to be "pressure?" He obviously gets into the backfield and sometimes makes the QB step up or move a little, but he's not much of a threat to actually get the sack on most plays.