49ers not committed to winning?

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Utterly ridiculous.

Making poor personnel and coaching decisions does not correlate to not being committed to winning. It means we made bad decisions.

If we weren't "committed to winning", we wouldn't have:

- Did what it took to get Nate Clements, the most sought after defensive free agent that year, to sign a contract
- Re-signed Patrick Willis to an assload of money
- Re-signed Vernon Davis to an assload of money
- Invested two first round picks in 2010 to help fix a bad o-line
- Try to secure financing to build a BILLION dollar stadium
- Offer top 10 coaching money to Jim Harbaugh

And the list goes on and on...

You can question the personnel. But the commitment to win has never wavered.

That is the only thing that shows a commitment to winning. What many fans don't realize there is a minimum that must be spent on player salaries and the stadium deal is profit motivated.

Is that a bad thing?

If you're an owner, why would you want to invest a stadium if it was going to result in a net loss? You're a small business owner, would you make that type of decision? I don't think so.

-9fA

It's not a bad thing. The Niners play in absolutely the worst facility in all of professional sports . . . and there's not an ounce of hyperbole to that comment.

I had my doubts about Jed up until the last three months. With the Harbaugh hire and a couple of smaller things like paying the money to lure Seeley away from Cleveland, I'm fairly convinced Jed has a passion and commitment to win similar to his Uncle.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

Cheap relative to what? . . . Nnamdi Asomugha?

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

Cheap relative to what? . . . Nnamdi Asomugha?

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Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

He is a rookie but he wasn't very cheap, 5 million a year... I believe that puts him in or very near the top 10 in the league.

Your comment that "they won't resign him" is pure speculation at this point. There is no basis for that claim.

On top of that, why wouldn't they sign him if he wins? It makes no logical sense to sign someone and then let him go if he were to become successful. They seem to sign their best players to long term contracts all the time.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

Cheap relative to what? . . . Nnamdi Asomugha?

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cheap relative to other HC's.....what else could one possibly think I was referring to????

Put it this way......not once have the Yorks ever had an HC or entire coaching staff even be anywhere but near the bottom of the salary scale across the league.

hello, if that is not the ownership making it any more obvious their commitment to winning I don't want else they could possibly do.

All the Yorks are ever going to do is cheap out on inexperienced HCs....one day they will finally hit. We will enjoy some success, that HC will want to get paid, the Yorks will let him walk and will start the cycle all over again

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

He is a rookie but he wasn't very cheap, 5 million a year... I believe that puts him in or very near the top 10 in the league.

Your comment that "they won't resign him" is pure speculation at this point. There is no basis for that claim.

On top of that, why wouldn't they sign him if he wins? It makes no logical sense to sign someone and then let him go if he were to become successful. They seem to sign their best players to long term contracts all the time.

I don't know, and I will eat crow. But I don't believe 5M per year is top 10 territory.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

Cheap relative to what? . . . Nnamdi Asomugha?

this

cheap relative to other HC's.....what else could one possibly think I was referring to????

Put it this way......not once have the Yorks ever had an HC or entire coaching staff even be anywhere but near the bottom of the salary scale across the league.

hello, if that is not the ownership making it any more obvious their commitment to winning I don't want else they could possibly do.

All the Yorks are ever going to do is cheap out on inexperienced HCs....one day they will finally hit. We will enjoy some success, that HC will want to get paid, the Yorks will let him walk and will start the cycle all over again

Harbaugh’s salary of $5 million per season is above average, but certainly not the most expensive in the NFL. New England’s Bill Belichick makes $7.5 million per year, and Washington’s Mike Shanahan and Seattle’s Pete Carroll both earn $7 million

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

Cheap relative to what? . . . Nnamdi Asomugha?

this

cheap relative to other HC's.....what else could one possibly think I was referring to????

Put it this way......not once have the Yorks ever had an HC or entire coaching staff even be anywhere but near the bottom of the salary scale across the league.

hello, if that is not the ownership making it any more obvious their commitment to winning I don't want else they could possibly do.

All the Yorks are ever going to do is cheap out on inexperienced HCs....one day they will finally hit. We will enjoy some success, that HC will want to get paid, the Yorks will let him walk and will start the cycle all over again

Harbaugh’s salary of $5 million per season is above average, but certainly not the most expensive in the NFL. New England’s Bill Belichick makes $7.5 million per year, and Washington’s Mike Shanahan and Seattle’s Pete Carroll both earn $7 million

I can't find a complete list myself. The other things with new contracts, they seem good the minute they are signed, but if a bunch of current accomplished HC's are close to resigning, 5M can become average over a single off season

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

Cheap relative to what? . . . Nnamdi Asomugha?

this

cheap relative to other HC's.....what else could one possibly think I was referring to????

Put it this way......not once have the Yorks ever had an HC or entire coaching staff even be anywhere but near the bottom of the salary scale across the league.

hello, if that is not the ownership making it any more obvious their commitment to winning I don't want else they could possibly do.

All the Yorks are ever going to do is cheap out on inexperienced HCs....one day they will finally hit. We will enjoy some success, that HC will want to get paid, the Yorks will let him walk and will start the cycle all over again

Harbaugh’s salary of $5 million per season is above average, but certainly not the most expensive in the NFL. New England’s Bill Belichick makes $7.5 million per year, and Washington’s Mike Shanahan and Seattle’s Pete Carroll both earn $7 million

I can't find a complete list myself. The other things with new contracts, they seem good the minute they are signed, but if a bunch of current accomplished HC's are close to resigning, 5M can become average over a single off season

if Miami was potentially offering 7 to 8 mill , then management did a good job of not overpaying

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

He is a rookie but he wasn't very cheap, 5 million a year... I believe that puts him in or very near the top 10 in the league.

Your comment that "they won't resign him" is pure speculation at this point. There is no basis for that claim.

On top of that, why wouldn't they sign him if he wins? It makes no logical sense to sign someone and then let him go if he were to become successful. They seem to sign their best players to long term contracts all the time.

I don't know, and I will eat crow. But I don't believe 5M per year is top 10 territory.

I can't find a complete list, but I found a current top 10 Forbes list:

Top 10

It shows Lovie Smith at number 10 with 4.8 Million... so, Harbaugh is very close to, if not actually in, the top 10.

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

He is a rookie but he wasn't very cheap, 5 million a year... I believe that puts him in or very near the top 10 in the league.

Your comment that "they won't resign him" is pure speculation at this point. There is no basis for that claim.

On top of that, why wouldn't they sign him if he wins? It makes no logical sense to sign someone and then let him go if he were to become successful. They seem to sign their best players to long term contracts all the time.

I don't know, and I will eat crow. But I don't believe 5M per year is top 10 territory.

I can't find a complete list, but I found a current top 10 Forbes list:

Top 10

It shows Lovie Smith at number 10 with 4.8 Million... so, Harbaugh is very close to, if not actually in, the top 10.

close enough, I will eat crow. Harbaugh is not a cheap HC after all.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

He is a rookie but he wasn't very cheap, 5 million a year... I believe that puts him in or very near the top 10 in the league.

Your comment that "they won't resign him" is pure speculation at this point. There is no basis for that claim.

On top of that, why wouldn't they sign him if he wins? It makes no logical sense to sign someone and then let him go if he were to become successful. They seem to sign their best players to long term contracts all the time.

I don't know, and I will eat crow. But I don't believe 5M per year is top 10 territory.

I can't find a complete list, but I found a current top 10 Forbes list:

Top 10

It shows Lovie Smith at number 10 with 4.8 Million... so, Harbaugh is very close to, if not actually in, the top 10.

close enough, I will eat crow. Harbaugh is not a cheap HC after all.

No doubt John York was very cheap when he took over the team a decade ago.

I could be wrong, but I just don't get that feeling with Jed.

We'll just have to wait and see if this trend continues (resigning our good players and paying good money for coaches).

Hopefully so.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think they care about winning at all. And the results show.

I have been saying this to zoners for years now.

"the Yorks either don't care about winning....OR....are complete failures.....you choose"

I choose to believe they don't care, but thats just me

If that's truly the case, then why even bother trying to get Jim Harbaugh (the most sought after coach and quarterback guru) this past off-season?

you mean yet another rookie HC who comes relatively cheap? If he does pan out, they won't resign him dude. Will you believe it then?

He is a rookie but he wasn't very cheap, 5 million a year... I believe that puts him in or very near the top 10 in the league.

Your comment that "they won't resign him" is pure speculation at this point. There is no basis for that claim.

On top of that, why wouldn't they sign him if he wins? It makes no logical sense to sign someone and then let him go if he were to become successful. They seem to sign their best players to long term contracts all the time.

I don't know, and I will eat crow. But I don't believe 5M per year is top 10 territory.

I can't find a complete list, but I found a current top 10 Forbes list:

Top 10

It shows Lovie Smith at number 10 with 4.8 Million... so, Harbaugh is very close to, if not actually in, the top 10.

close enough, I will eat crow. Harbaugh is not a cheap HC after all.

Plus, Harbaugh was in demand and could be choosy. I got to believe that Jed convinced him that the Niners were dedicated to winning or he would not have taken the job.