Troy Smith vs. Alex Smith (Article)

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

For some that is just impossible to do. Their hatred for Alex is to strong. It is almost like they walked in on Alex Smith having a 3some with their mom and their sister while he was jizzing on their faces calling them dirty whores.

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=78589

Well i look at a lot of these writers in the same light other than both of the Matts.

Someone made one about Tim K, on Smith, so now here is one by lynch that talks about the comparisons made by both QB's.

And i just say if ur gonna take anyone's view on the subject then look at all views then make your assessment. Not just the one that we individually like the best that backs up the way we think.

I think this article did a good job in comparing the good and bad with both QB's.

I formed my own opinion on this subject and Tim K's comments fall right in line with them.

Like I said over and over this was the "Make or Break" year for Alex "No Excuses" but after going 1-5 here we are again with EXCUSES!!!

Now Troy comes in goes 3-2 (2 wins are against div. rivals) and at the very least put us in a position to talk playoffs. Yeah Troy needs lots of work but whoever believes that if Alex was under center at GreenBay with no Gore he would of pulled out the win needs a drug test.

You need a drug test if you think this lost season all lies on who was under center.

Not all but mostly on the QB.

You have to be quite dimwitted to think that after watching the last 3 games ,really dense.

I'm sorry but even McCarthy quoted that about the QB being a big part of why we didn't win early on. You wouldn't be thinking the way you do I Troy knew the entire playbook and we actually ran a bunch of different looks with him. He already showed what he can do if the defense has more to plan against. What has Alex ever really shown?

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

also keep in mind the longer johnson fills the roll of OC the more comfortable he gets in game planning. The offense has continued to improve every week since Johnson has taken over as the OC. I expect to see the improvements to continue and hopefully some more W's coming our way.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

also keep in mind the longer johnson fills the roll of OC the more comfortable he gets in game planning. The offense has continued to improve every week since Johnson has taken over as the OC. I expect to see the improvements to continue and hopefully some more W's coming our way.

Oh I completely agree but also keep in mind that the ATL, PHI and CAR game produced TD's on the first drive and went into conservative mode after that until we were down by so much vs Philly and Alex had to see his career flash before his eyes. I am just stating that even with Troy Smith's LIMITED knowledge of the playbook, he still produced A LOT of big plays and more scores with LESS turnovers. Alex needs to step his game up plain and simple and there is no evidence that MJ will not continue to call a conservative game

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

also keep in mind the longer johnson fills the roll of OC the more comfortable he gets in game planning. The offense has continued to improve every week since Johnson has taken over as the OC. I expect to see the improvements to continue and hopefully some more W's coming our way.

Oh I completely agree but also keep in mind that the ATL, PHI and CAR game produced TD's on the first drive and went into conservative mode after that until we were down by so much vs Philly and Alex had to see his career flash before his eyes. I am just stating that even with Troy Smith's LIMITED knowledge of the playbook, he still produced A LOT of big plays and more scores with LESS turnovers. Alex needs to step his game up plain and simple and there is no evidence that MJ will not continue to call a conservative game

I'm not trying to take away what Troy Smith did by any means. Both QB's are completely different beasts. Alex tries to stick to the play because that is how it goes through his head. That is how he NEEDS it to go down. Troy Smith is better at extending the play and throwing it down field. To bad that when that doesn't happen he is pretty much useless.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

also keep in mind the longer johnson fills the roll of OC the more comfortable he gets in game planning. The offense has continued to improve every week since Johnson has taken over as the OC. I expect to see the improvements to continue and hopefully some more W's coming our way.

Oh I completely agree but also keep in mind that the ATL, PHI and CAR game produced TD's on the first drive and went into conservative mode after that until we were down by so much vs Philly and Alex had to see his career flash before his eyes. I am just stating that even with Troy Smith's LIMITED knowledge of the playbook, he still produced A LOT of big plays and more scores with LESS turnovers. Alex needs to step his game up plain and simple and there is no evidence that MJ will not continue to call a conservative game

I'm not trying to take away what Troy Smith did by any means. Both QB's are completely different beasts. Alex tries to stick to the play because that is how it goes through his head. That is how he NEEDS it to go down. Troy Smith is better at extending the play and throwing it down field. To bad that when that doesn't happen he is pretty much useless.

I agree. I just wish Alex would come out of his "shy shell" and take 2 things that Troy did that I think will help Alex a lot and that is to give his WR's a chance on the deep ball and to use his althetic ability to extend some plays. Trust his speed against the D-Linemen and if the plays are still not there, then see if you can AT LEAST pick up 1 yard on a scramble and slide (I'm sure most instances he will be able to pick up MORE than 1 yard just because his momentum will be carrying him forward). Football is a game of inches and as moot as it seems when you see it, 3rd and 9 could end up being a HUGE difference than 3rd and 10.

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

also keep in mind the longer johnson fills the roll of OC the more comfortable he gets in game planning. The offense has continued to improve every week since Johnson has taken over as the OC. I expect to see the improvements to continue and hopefully some more W's coming our way.

Oh I completely agree but also keep in mind that the ATL, PHI and CAR game produced TD's on the first drive and went into conservative mode after that until we were down by so much vs Philly and Alex had to see his career flash before his eyes. I am just stating that even with Troy Smith's LIMITED knowledge of the playbook, he still produced A LOT of big plays and more scores with LESS turnovers. Alex needs to step his game up plain and simple and there is no evidence that MJ will not continue to call a conservative game

I'm not trying to take away what Troy Smith did by any means. Both QB's are completely different beasts. Alex tries to stick to the play because that is how it goes through his head. That is how he NEEDS it to go down. Troy Smith is better at extending the play and throwing it down field. To bad that when that doesn't happen he is pretty much useless.

I agree. I just wish Alex would come out of his "shy shell" and take 2 things that Troy did that I think will help Alex a lot and that is to give his WR's a chance on the deep ball and to use his althetic ability to extend some plays. Trust his speed against the D-Linemen and if the plays are still not there, then see if you can AT LEAST pick up 1 yard on a scramble and slide (I'm sure most instances he will be able to pick up MORE than 1 yard just because his momentum will be carrying him forward). Football is a game of inches and as moot as it seems when you see it, 3rd and 9 could end up being a HUGE difference than 3rd and 10.

I agree 100%. Alex needs to believe in his playmaking abilities. The problem is the entire time he has been in the NFL he has had HC's that tell him "don't gamble, don't take shots down field, be safe with the ball" Which in turned did the exact opposite as he is to worried about making a mistake that he over things everything and f**ks up.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

also keep in mind the longer johnson fills the roll of OC the more comfortable he gets in game planning. The offense has continued to improve every week since Johnson has taken over as the OC. I expect to see the improvements to continue and hopefully some more W's coming our way.

Oh I completely agree but also keep in mind that the ATL, PHI and CAR game produced TD's on the first drive and went into conservative mode after that until we were down by so much vs Philly and Alex had to see his career flash before his eyes. I am just stating that even with Troy Smith's LIMITED knowledge of the playbook, he still produced A LOT of big plays and more scores with LESS turnovers. Alex needs to step his game up plain and simple and there is no evidence that MJ will not continue to call a conservative game

I'm not trying to take away what Troy Smith did by any means. Both QB's are completely different beasts. Alex tries to stick to the play because that is how it goes through his head. That is how he NEEDS it to go down. Troy Smith is better at extending the play and throwing it down field. To bad that when that doesn't happen he is pretty much useless.

I agree. I just wish Alex would come out of his "shy shell" and take 2 things that Troy did that I think will help Alex a lot and that is to give his WR's a chance on the deep ball and to use his althetic ability to extend some plays. Trust his speed against the D-Linemen and if the plays are still not there, then see if you can AT LEAST pick up 1 yard on a scramble and slide (I'm sure most instances he will be able to pick up MORE than 1 yard just because his momentum will be carrying him forward). Football is a game of inches and as moot as it seems when you see it, 3rd and 9 could end up being a HUGE difference than 3rd and 10.

I agree 100%. Alex needs to believe in his playmaking abilities. The problem is the entire time he has been in the NFL he has had HC's that tell him "don't gamble, don't take shots down field, be safe with the ball" Which in turned did the exact opposite as he is to worried about making a mistake that he over things everything and f**ks up.

I think the Trent Dilfer acquisition was terrible for Alex more than anything. Seemed like Alex really took in whatever Trent was feeding him.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

also keep in mind the longer johnson fills the roll of OC the more comfortable he gets in game planning. The offense has continued to improve every week since Johnson has taken over as the OC. I expect to see the improvements to continue and hopefully some more W's coming our way.

Oh I completely agree but also keep in mind that the ATL, PHI and CAR game produced TD's on the first drive and went into conservative mode after that until we were down by so much vs Philly and Alex had to see his career flash before his eyes. I am just stating that even with Troy Smith's LIMITED knowledge of the playbook, he still produced A LOT of big plays and more scores with LESS turnovers. Alex needs to step his game up plain and simple and there is no evidence that MJ will not continue to call a conservative game

I'm not trying to take away what Troy Smith did by any means. Both QB's are completely different beasts. Alex tries to stick to the play because that is how it goes through his head. That is how he NEEDS it to go down. Troy Smith is better at extending the play and throwing it down field. To bad that when that doesn't happen he is pretty much useless.

I agree. I just wish Alex would come out of his "shy shell" and take 2 things that Troy did that I think will help Alex a lot and that is to give his WR's a chance on the deep ball and to use his althetic ability to extend some plays. Trust his speed against the D-Linemen and if the plays are still not there, then see if you can AT LEAST pick up 1 yard on a scramble and slide (I'm sure most instances he will be able to pick up MORE than 1 yard just because his momentum will be carrying him forward). Football is a game of inches and as moot as it seems when you see it, 3rd and 9 could end up being a HUGE difference than 3rd and 10.

I agree 100%. Alex needs to believe in his playmaking abilities. The problem is the entire time he has been in the NFL he has had HC's that tell him "don't gamble, don't take shots down field, be safe with the ball" Which in turned did the exact opposite as he is to worried about making a mistake that he over things everything and f**ks up.

I think the Trent Dilfer acquisition was terrible for Alex more than anything. Seemed like Alex really took in whatever Trent was feeding him.

Trent Dilfer is by far the worst QB to ever win a SB.

How do you guys know that everyone on the coaching staff has been telling him to be timid, hesitant and scared with the football?

Maybe thats just the way he plays....?

Cuz honestly, when you're playing QB in a real live game, you're not thinking about any of that stuff. You just see an open reciever and hit em. Thats the way it is.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

also keep in mind the longer johnson fills the roll of OC the more comfortable he gets in game planning. The offense has continued to improve every week since Johnson has taken over as the OC. I expect to see the improvements to continue and hopefully some more W's coming our way.

Oh I completely agree but also keep in mind that the ATL, PHI and CAR game produced TD's on the first drive and went into conservative mode after that until we were down by so much vs Philly and Alex had to see his career flash before his eyes. I am just stating that even with Troy Smith's LIMITED knowledge of the playbook, he still produced A LOT of big plays and more scores with LESS turnovers. Alex needs to step his game up plain and simple and there is no evidence that MJ will not continue to call a conservative game

I'm not trying to take away what Troy Smith did by any means. Both QB's are completely different beasts. Alex tries to stick to the play because that is how it goes through his head. That is how he NEEDS it to go down. Troy Smith is better at extending the play and throwing it down field. To bad that when that doesn't happen he is pretty much useless.

I agree. I just wish Alex would come out of his "shy shell" and take 2 things that Troy did that I think will help Alex a lot and that is to give his WR's a chance on the deep ball and to use his althetic ability to extend some plays. Trust his speed against the D-Linemen and if the plays are still not there, then see if you can AT LEAST pick up 1 yard on a scramble and slide (I'm sure most instances he will be able to pick up MORE than 1 yard just because his momentum will be carrying him forward). Football is a game of inches and as moot as it seems when you see it, 3rd and 9 could end up being a HUGE difference than 3rd and 10.

I agree 100%. Alex needs to believe in his playmaking abilities. The problem is the entire time he has been in the NFL he has had HC's that tell him "don't gamble, don't take shots down field, be safe with the ball" Which in turned did the exact opposite as he is to worried about making a mistake that he over things everything and f**ks up.

I think the Trent Dilfer acquisition was terrible for Alex more than anything. Seemed like Alex really took in whatever Trent was feeding him.

Trent Dilfer is by far the worst QB to ever win a SB.

It's also Alexs fault for being a yes man.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

also keep in mind the longer johnson fills the roll of OC the more comfortable he gets in game planning. The offense has continued to improve every week since Johnson has taken over as the OC. I expect to see the improvements to continue and hopefully some more W's coming our way.

Oh I completely agree but also keep in mind that the ATL, PHI and CAR game produced TD's on the first drive and went into conservative mode after that until we were down by so much vs Philly and Alex had to see his career flash before his eyes. I am just stating that even with Troy Smith's LIMITED knowledge of the playbook, he still produced A LOT of big plays and more scores with LESS turnovers. Alex needs to step his game up plain and simple and there is no evidence that MJ will not continue to call a conservative game

I'm not trying to take away what Troy Smith did by any means. Both QB's are completely different beasts. Alex tries to stick to the play because that is how it goes through his head. That is how he NEEDS it to go down. Troy Smith is better at extending the play and throwing it down field. To bad that when that doesn't happen he is pretty much useless.

I agree. I just wish Alex would come out of his "shy shell" and take 2 things that Troy did that I think will help Alex a lot and that is to give his WR's a chance on the deep ball and to use his althetic ability to extend some plays. Trust his speed against the D-Linemen and if the plays are still not there, then see if you can AT LEAST pick up 1 yard on a scramble and slide (I'm sure most instances he will be able to pick up MORE than 1 yard just because his momentum will be carrying him forward). Football is a game of inches and as moot as it seems when you see it, 3rd and 9 could end up being a HUGE difference than 3rd and 10.

I agree 100%. Alex needs to believe in his playmaking abilities. The problem is the entire time he has been in the NFL he has had HC's that tell him "don't gamble, don't take shots down field, be safe with the ball" Which in turned did the exact opposite as he is to worried about making a mistake that he over things everything and f**ks up.

I think the Trent Dilfer acquisition was terrible for Alex more than anything. Seemed like Alex really took in whatever Trent was feeding him.

You may be on to something here but Alex still needs to look at the big picture and say to himself, "If I keep playing this way, I will not have a career in the NFL but If I just say f**k it and throw all that conservative mess out the window and give my team a CHANCE, I may not have a career HERE but at least I'll be able to play SOMEWHERE". Because the things he was taught and coached and the things he is doing, just aren't working and he does not have a coach that sees this so he needs to be a man and take it upon himself. He literally has NOTHING to lose if he can take some gambles and make some big plays.

Originally posted by niner4life21:
How do you guys know that everyone on the coaching staff has been telling him to be timid, hesitant and scared with the football?

Maybe thats just the way he plays....?

Cuz honestly, when you're playing QB in a real live game, you're not thinking about any of that stuff. You just see an open reciever and hit em. Thats the way it is.

It's pretty well known fact that both Nolan and Singletary told Alex to. Just look at what Singletary said about Troy. I believe it was something along the lines of " I need to talk with Troy about playing so dangerous with the ball" The very next week Troy comes out and isn't throwing the ball down field like he used to (tampa game)

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by Pick6:
I have ZERO problem with this move. Troy Smith really hasn't done anything great... I don't get all the hype. His accuracy is awful... Alex may not be any better, but to think that one is considerably better than the other is just wrong.

Why do I like this move?

Alex Smith will be gone... the only thing that can save him (and Sing) is the Super Bowl IMO. SO now he and Sing are playing for a little something more... not just this season but their career. I am sure Alex will get signed by someone, and depending on the situation I think he has the potential to be decent - in the right situation. HOWEVER... if he comes in now and can lead this team on a run it would definitely improve his chances of signing somewhere else. Plus I think we can open the offense so much more and would not be suprised to see a lot more of a spread type offense especially with Westbrook in the backfield.

I don't forsee either of these guys as the long term solution for the 9ers, but I think if you look at it without prejudice from an unbiased standpoint I think Alex gives us the best chance for success right now.

Yes we can "open up the playbook" more with Alex but will it happen? Under Mike Johnson and Alex Smith at the helm, we have 7 Offensive TD's and 4 INT's in 4 games.

ATL - 1 TD 2 INT's

PHI - 3 TD's 2 INT's (HUGE FUMBLE returned for TD)

OAK - 2 TD's 0 INT's (very efficient game, low Comp % and yards but no TO's)

CAR - 1 TD 0 INT (got hurt with game tied 10-10)

Under Mike Johnson with Troy Smith and his "limited knowledge of the playbook" we had 9 offensive TD's and 3 INT's

DEN - 3 TD's 0 INT's

STL - 2 TD's 0 INT's

TB - 0 TD's 1 INT (horrible game)

AZ - 3 TD's 0 INT's (killed them with the run)

GB - 1 TD 1 INT

So as much as I am hoping something changes, it looks like the offense has still scored more TD's and the QB has thrown less INT's in a "watered down" offense. Just sayin

also keep in mind the longer johnson fills the roll of OC the more comfortable he gets in game planning. The offense has continued to improve every week since Johnson has taken over as the OC. I expect to see the improvements to continue and hopefully some more W's coming our way.

Oh I completely agree but also keep in mind that the ATL, PHI and CAR game produced TD's on the first drive and went into conservative mode after that until we were down by so much vs Philly and Alex had to see his career flash before his eyes. I am just stating that even with Troy Smith's LIMITED knowledge of the playbook, he still produced A LOT of big plays and more scores with LESS turnovers. Alex needs to step his game up plain and simple and there is no evidence that MJ will not continue to call a conservative game

I'm not trying to take away what Troy Smith did by any means. Both QB's are completely different beasts. Alex tries to stick to the play because that is how it goes through his head. That is how he NEEDS it to go down. Troy Smith is better at extending the play and throwing it down field. To bad that when that doesn't happen he is pretty much useless.

I agree. I just wish Alex would come out of his "shy shell" and take 2 things that Troy did that I think will help Alex a lot and that is to give his WR's a chance on the deep ball and to use his althetic ability to extend some plays. Trust his speed against the D-Linemen and if the plays are still not there, then see if you can AT LEAST pick up 1 yard on a scramble and slide (I'm sure most instances he will be able to pick up MORE than 1 yard just because his momentum will be carrying him forward). Football is a game of inches and as moot as it seems when you see it, 3rd and 9 could end up being a HUGE difference than 3rd and 10.

I agree 100%. Alex needs to believe in his playmaking abilities. The problem is the entire time he has been in the NFL he has had HC's that tell him "don't gamble, don't take shots down field, be safe with the ball" Which in turned did the exact opposite as he is to worried about making a mistake that he over things everything and f**ks up.

I think the Trent Dilfer acquisition was terrible for Alex more than anything. Seemed like Alex really took in whatever Trent was feeding him.

You may be on to something here but Alex still needs to look at the big picture and say to himself, "If I keep playing this way, I will not have a career in the NFL but If I just say f**k it and throw all that conservative mess out the window and give my team a CHANCE, I may not have a career HERE but at least I'll be able to play SOMEWHERE". Because the things he was taught and coached and the things he is doing, just aren't working and he does not have a coach that sees this so he needs to be a man and take it upon himself. He literally has NOTHING to lose if he can take some gambles and make some big plays.

Unless Trent told him not to worry if it doesn't work out here that there will always be a coach looking for a QB who understands the importance of a game manager and that he would be wanted by a coach of a team with a dominant defense. Dilfer gave game manager a bad name.