Troy Smith vs. Alex Smith (Article)

Well i just liked the article because without bias it gives both sides. Those that say A. Smith sucks and Troy is this or that, and those that say hey it's all on A. Smith cuz T, just cant get it done.

If you really watched the game without bias, u'll see it just the way that A. Smith said, that when both were in at any given time, they never had the whole thing, it was just half with each. If you had a Troy and Alex combo, that QB would be off the hook.

With Troy his mobility is more of what set him apart from Smith. But like i said i saw soo many similarities that it was eerie.

TD throws
Alex- The deep ball was an issue, and we called him captain checkdown, but was one of the best in the red zone.
Troy-Threw the deep ball well, checked down a lot as well, definitely had the arm, but completed more passes deep, when running play action, rather then just under center. And the niners efficiency actually declined in the red zone with him under center.

3rd downs

Alex and Troy i think they both were the same. And Troy definitely didnt improve this aspect when coming in, so about the same on both.

Play action vs Shotgun

Biggest difference in the two.

Troy-Expert in play action pass. Thats where most of his TD's and big plays came out of. Hands down his best attribute. When standing in the pocket, way off, and holds onto the ball way too long. Warner called it out, and just like Sing said, defenses did figure Troy out, and made him try to beat them out of the pocket, in which he was unsuccessful. This last game, i never seen soo many deep throws over, behind, and just out of the vicinity of the WR. OH wait, gotta be real, he looked like A. Smith when he sails the ball

Alex-Excellent out of the shotgun. And we all know it, that this is his comfort zone, and where he is most effective. Definitely checked down more than Troy. Ran to the right when things fell apart, and threw waaaaay to much zip on some of his passes. Also like it or not, he almost scored on every opening drive when under center. Now how the game finished, u can chose which one, but I used to like how at least when we came out, we avg an opening TD.

Overall, these two had soo many attributes that were the same in my opinion. Troy brought that uncertainty value and it took teams a few weeks to figure him out. So u take that, coupled with a limited playbook, and u may really have some problems. Like Lynch said in the article, right now u may need that controlled QB, that you can use all of the playbook for. And since Gore was our best Play action player, he's gone now, and honestly Troy hasnt looked the same either after Gore went down. So they need a player, who can do it from the Shotgun, and also since they have Dixon and Westbrook. Two players that have thrived out of the shotgun.

Shot in the dark with bringing in A. Smith or not, but I just want to win. s**t if we win this week, and he feels that for the offense T. Smith is the best then so be it. But we all want to win, so I just want a Qb, that they feel will help us win now. And if it's A this week then so be it.

This is the second time that Sing has pulled a QB with a winning record for Alex Smith. In hindsight, it was mistake pulling Hill, as Alex hasnt accomplished much for the team since.

Now we do the same with Troy. What makes you so certain that the results will be different this time as compared to every other time that Alex has come back on the field ?

The season is a wash. Alex Smith FAILED......not in comparison to Troy Smith or David Carr (as a lot of you are keen to compare him to those two), but rather to the rest of the league and what we expected from him. What this time should really be spent on is TALENT EVALUATION. It would have made more sense to assess Troy Smith and see whether or not he could play here as a backup, rather than start Alex so we can get more "wins".

Sing obviously doesnt get it.......and its apparent some of you dont either.

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=78589

Well i look at a lot of these writers in the same light other than both of the Matts.

Someone made one about Tim K, on Smith, so now here is one by lynch that talks about the comparisons made by both QB's.

And i just say if ur gonna take anyone's view on the subject then look at all views then make your assessment. Not just the one that we individually like the best that backs up the way we think.

I think this article did a good job in comparing the good and bad with both QB's.

I formed my own opinion on this subject and Tim K's comments fall right in line with them.

Like I said over and over this was the "Make or Break" year for Alex "No Excuses" but after going 1-5 here we are again with EXCUSES!!!

Now Troy comes in goes 3-2 (2 wins are against div. rivals) and at the very least put us in a position to talk playoffs. Yeah Troy needs lots of work but whoever believes that if Alex was under center at GreenBay with no Gore he would of pulled out the win needs a drug test.

You need a drug test if you think this lost season all lies on who was under center.

Then why make a QB change at this point? Why did they stick with Troy 2 games once Alex was healthy? Why the QB position is the only position being changed?
Obviously the team feels this season is not lost and the position is ONE of the main reasons (not the only reason)we are 4-8!

Now personally I feel this season is lost and going back to Alex won't make a difference.

You answered your own question. It doesn't matter who is/was under center, this team is only as good as they are coached. Once they learn a philosophy that will take ADVANTAGE of the players strengths they will look like a football team. Right now they have no ADVANTAGE whatsoever, because of a stubborn coach. If you go out and tell everyone what kind of team you are instead of being creative you will see negative results. It's like telling the enemy in a war that we're coming on this day at this time and straight to the front door. Instead of flanking around the sides and catching them when they're not expecting us.

I agree with you as far as the game plan and coaching but let me play Devil's advocate for those that think this season is not lost why go back to Alex? Since coaching and game planning are factors then why not stick with Troy who is 3-2 than Alex who is 1-5? With all these other factors how can you or anyone have confidence that Alex will overcome them and get the team 4 wins? Go with the Qb that got more wins inspite of Sing's coaching!

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=78589

Well i look at a lot of these writers in the same light other than both of the Matts.

Someone made one about Tim K, on Smith, so now here is one by lynch that talks about the comparisons made by both QB's.

And i just say if ur gonna take anyone's view on the subject then look at all views then make your assessment. Not just the one that we individually like the best that backs up the way we think.

I think this article did a good job in comparing the good and bad with both QB's.

I formed my own opinion on this subject and Tim K's comments fall right in line with them.

Like I said over and over this was the "Make or Break" year for Alex "No Excuses" but after going 1-5 here we are again with EXCUSES!!!

Now Troy comes in goes 3-2 (2 wins are against div. rivals) and at the very least put us in a position to talk playoffs. Yeah Troy needs lots of work but whoever believes that if Alex was under center at GreenBay with no Gore he would of pulled out the win needs a drug test.

You need a drug test if you think this lost season all lies on who was under center.

Then why make a QB change at this point? Why did they stick with Troy 2 games once Alex was healthy? Why the QB position is the only position being changed?
Obviously the team feels this season is not lost and the position is ONE of the main reasons (not the only reason)we are 4-8!

Now personally I feel this season is lost and going back to Alex won't make a difference.

You answered your own question. It doesn't matter who is/was under center, this team is only as good as they are coached. Once they learn a philosophy that will take ADVANTAGE of the players strengths they will look like a football team. Right now they have no ADVANTAGE whatsoever, because of a stubborn coach. If you go out and tell everyone what kind of team you are instead of being creative you will see negative results. It's like telling the enemy in a war that we're coming on this day at this time and straight to the front door. Instead of flanking around the sides and catching them when they're not expecting us.

I agree with you as far as the game plan and coaching but let me play Devil's advocate for those that think this season is not lost why go back to Alex? Since coaching and game planning are factors then why not stick with Troy who is 3-2 than Alex who is 1-5? With all these other factors how can you or anyone have confidence that Alex will overcome them and get the team 4 wins? Go with the Qb that got more wins inspite of Sing's coaching!

I'm not sure but I hope this is what's going to happen on Sunday. They're going to open up the playbook and in order for them to do that they need the QB that knows the entire playbook. If you noticed we have been running the same plays since Troy has been in (I swear I saw that TE screen to Walker like 6 times already). Now again this is what I hope is going to happen, Sing's Fhilisophy is to be thrown out the window. Alex and MJ are going to run the show on offense. MJ has a lot to gain with this game and nothing to lose so does Alex. If they can show they can work well together with the entire playbook for the next 4 games, maybe they will be working together in the future or working at all for that matter.

Originally posted by ZRF80:
This is the second time that Sing has pulled a QB with a winning record for Alex Smith. In hindsight, it was mistake pulling Hill, as Alex hasnt accomplished much for the team since.

Now we do the same with Troy. What makes you so certain that the results will be different this time as compared to every other time that Alex has come back on the field ?

The season is a wash. Alex Smith FAILED......not in comparison to Troy Smith or David Carr (as a lot of you are keen to compare him to those two), but rather to the rest of the league and what we expected from him. What this time should really be spent on is TALENT EVALUATION. It would have made more sense to assess Troy Smith and see whether or not he could play here as a backup, rather than start Alex so we can get more "wins".

Sing obviously doesnt get it.......and its apparent some of you dont either.

Now we cant fault u for this comment, just make sure tho we put ourselves in that area as well. Anyone who has a comment on the Smith vs. Smith debate has their own outlook on the situation, and in my opinion, neither of us are spot on. Not just Sing, but MJ as well, wanted A. SMith in, so we cant be mad at them. Their the same group that put T. Smith in so, we cant b***h cuz we dont like the current move. And were happy with the one before.

Our problem is what i call smoke screening. Lets be real, u cant be a "true" fan, if u think that the early part of the schedule is the same as the second. Some may not like that fact, but it's true. Some may not like that the early part on we had more Raye, and second half more Johnson. YOu cant even doubt the fact that when something seemed to be working, for some reason we got away from what was working for us.

With our team, tell me u still didnt notice drops. LIke it or not, yes Troy Smith did have many WTF moments. ONly thing was that the luck fell his way, and aint no other way to say it. And thats not a bad thing because sometimes luck can be great when it falls our way.

Point is, the main article was written to those Troy and Alex apologists alike.

NOt too mention if u really watch, why do both players have two forms of each.

Meaning, when u take each out there comfort zone, they both suck unfortunately.
Alex when he becomes a not give a f**k guy, he does pretty damn good. Troy when running that play action, or escaping the pocket, he looks like a watered down version of Vick (not alike because, he cant throw from the pocket or has the speed Vick has).

But when Alex thinks too much, he just looks horrible. And with Troy u turn him into a pocket/shotgun passer, and he just looks uncomfortable, which is why the holding onto the ball too long, and taking tons of sacks.

So i think the article does a pretty good job of stating why deciding to go with Alex instead of Troy.

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=78589

Well i look at a lot of these writers in the same light other than both of the Matts.

Someone made one about Tim K, on Smith, so now here is one by lynch that talks about the comparisons made by both QB's.

And i just say if ur gonna take anyone's view on the subject then look at all views then make your assessment. Not just the one that we individually like the best that backs up the way we think.

I think this article did a good job in comparing the good and bad with both QB's.

I formed my own opinion on this subject and Tim K's comments fall right in line with them.

Like I said over and over this was the "Make or Break" year for Alex "No Excuses" but after going 1-5 here we are again with EXCUSES!!!

Now Troy comes in goes 3-2 (2 wins are against div. rivals) and at the very least put us in a position to talk playoffs. Yeah Troy needs lots of work but whoever believes that if Alex was under center at GreenBay with no Gore he would of pulled out the win needs a drug test.

You need a drug test if you think this lost season all lies on who was under center.

Then why make a QB change at this point? Why did they stick with Troy 2 games once Alex was healthy? Why the QB position is the only position being changed?
Obviously the team feels this season is not lost and the position is ONE of the main reasons (not the only reason)we are 4-8!

Now personally I feel this season is lost and going back to Alex won't make a difference.

You answered your own question. It doesn't matter who is/was under center, this team is only as good as they are coached. Once they learn a philosophy that will take ADVANTAGE of the players strengths they will look like a football team. Right now they have no ADVANTAGE whatsoever, because of a stubborn coach. If you go out and tell everyone what kind of team you are instead of being creative you will see negative results. It's like telling the enemy in a war that we're coming on this day at this time and straight to the front door. Instead of flanking around the sides and catching them when they're not expecting us.

I agree with you as far as the game plan and coaching but let me play Devil's advocate for those that think this season is not lost why go back to Alex? Since coaching and game planning are factors then why not stick with Troy who is 3-2 than Alex who is 1-5? With all these other factors how can you or anyone have confidence that Alex will overcome them and get the team 4 wins? Go with the Qb that got more wins inspite of Sing's coaching!

I'm not sure but I hope this is what's going to happen on Sunday. They're going to open up the playbook and in order for them to do that they need the QB that knows the entire playbook. If you noticed we have been running the same plays since Troy has been in (I swear I saw that TE screen to Walker like 6 times already). Now again this is what I hope is going to happen, Sing's Fhilisophy is to be thrown out the window. Alex and MJ are going to run the show on offense. MJ has a lot to gain with this game and nothing to lose so does Alex. If they can show they can work well together with the entire playbook for the next 4 games, maybe they will be working together in the future or working at all for that matter.

You know what that is a great response! I just hope you're right!

its not all on the QB by any stretch but the QB is the easiest person to blame. we dont know whats going on with playcalling, coaching or any of that and switching receivers who dont get balls thrown to them enough anyway wouldnt do anything. QB is the only logical thing to change, we already canned an OC and our HC's expiration date is coming up soon. that being said, i think Alex does give us the best chance to win. i think Troy is a lot luckier than Alex because many of his passes could be disasterous but they take good bounces as opposed to alex's tipped passes that become INTs. im not saying alex is better but i like how he doesnt sack himself a million times a game like troy and he can actually get VD involved in the passing game. alex dumps off a lot so westbrook will get to do what hes good at. i think it could work, alex when given time is pretty good and the line has been playing very well lately. im picking the niners to beat seattle this weekend.

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
This is the second time that Sing has pulled a QB with a winning record for Alex Smith. In hindsight, it was mistake pulling Hill, as Alex hasnt accomplished much for the team since.

Now we do the same with Troy. What makes you so certain that the results will be different this time as compared to every other time that Alex has come back on the field ?

The season is a wash. Alex Smith FAILED......not in comparison to Troy Smith or David Carr (as a lot of you are keen to compare him to those two), but rather to the rest of the league and what we expected from him. What this time should really be spent on is TALENT EVALUATION. It would have made more sense to assess Troy Smith and see whether or not he could play here as a backup, rather than start Alex so we can get more "wins".

Sing obviously doesnt get it.......and its apparent some of you dont either.

Now we cant fault u for this comment, just make sure tho we put ourselves in that area as well. Anyone who has a comment on the Smith vs. Smith debate has their own outlook on the situation, and in my opinion, neither of us are spot on. Not just Sing, but MJ as well, wanted A. SMith in, so we cant be mad at them. Their the same group that put T. Smith in so, we cant b***h cuz we dont like the current move. And were happy with the one before.

Our problem is what i call smoke screening. Lets be real, u cant be a "true" fan, if u think that the early part of the schedule is the same as the second. Some may not like that fact, but it's true. Some may not like that the early part on we had more Raye, and second half more Johnson. YOu cant even doubt the fact that when something seemed to be working, for some reason we got away from what was working for us.

With our team, tell me u still didnt notice drops. LIke it or not, yes Troy Smith did have many WTF moments. ONly thing was that the luck fell his way, and aint no other way to say it. And thats not a bad thing because sometimes luck can be great when it falls our way.

Point is, the main article was written to those Troy and Alex apologists alike.

NOt too mention if u really watch, why do both players have two forms of each.

Meaning, when u take each out there comfort zone, they both suck unfortunately.
Alex when he becomes a not give a f**k guy, he does pretty damn good. Troy when running that play action, or escaping the pocket, he looks like a watered down version of Vick (not alike because, he cant throw from the pocket or has the speed Vick has).

But when Alex thinks too much, he just looks horrible. And with Troy u turn him into a pocket/shotgun passer, and he just looks uncomfortable, which is why the holding onto the ball too long, and taking tons of sacks.

So i think the article does a pretty good job of stating why deciding to go with Alex instead of Troy.

The article is based on the premise that winning still matters this season. And thats not the case at all. What exactly are we trying to achieve by starting Alex ? A winning record ? Playoff trip ? Superbowl ? Those were all aspirations at the beginning of the season. Regardless of who we played, those expectations were not met. If Alex Smith had shown signs of consistency during that tough stretch, I think a lot of people would have taken his side.......instead, he continued to make the same mistakes he's made in years past. In essence, you cant excuse his bad play because "our schedule was tougher". That was not a limitation we set for him when the season began.

Was he the sole cause behind all our failures ? No, he wasnt. But no one can argue that he was not part of the problem. Now we have to build for the FUTURE. It starts by evaluating who should stay and who should go. I think everyone knows that Alex stands as much chance of staying here as Sing does. If thats the case, then why even bother letting him play ?

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
This is the second time that Sing has pulled a QB with a winning record for Alex Smith. In hindsight, it was mistake pulling Hill, as Alex hasnt accomplished much for the team since.

Now we do the same with Troy. What makes you so certain that the results will be different this time as compared to every other time that Alex has come back on the field ?

The season is a wash. Alex Smith FAILED......not in comparison to Troy Smith or David Carr (as a lot of you are keen to compare him to those two), but rather to the rest of the league and what we expected from him. What this time should really be spent on is TALENT EVALUATION. It would have made more sense to assess Troy Smith and see whether or not he could play here as a backup, rather than start Alex so we can get more "wins".

Sing obviously doesnt get it.......and its apparent some of you dont either.

Now we cant fault u for this comment, just make sure tho we put ourselves in that area as well. Anyone who has a comment on the Smith vs. Smith debate has their own outlook on the situation, and in my opinion, neither of us are spot on. Not just Sing, but MJ as well, wanted A. SMith in, so we cant be mad at them. Their the same group that put T. Smith in so, we cant b***h cuz we dont like the current move. And were happy with the one before.

Our problem is what i call smoke screening. Lets be real, u cant be a "true" fan, if u think that the early part of the schedule is the same as the second. Some may not like that fact, but it's true. Some may not like that the early part on we had more Raye, and second half more Johnson. YOu cant even doubt the fact that when something seemed to be working, for some reason we got away from what was working for us.

With our team, tell me u still didnt notice drops. LIke it or not, yes Troy Smith did have many WTF moments. ONly thing was that the luck fell his way, and aint no other way to say it. And thats not a bad thing because sometimes luck can be great when it falls our way.

Point is, the main article was written to those Troy and Alex apologists alike.

NOt too mention if u really watch, why do both players have two forms of each.

Meaning, when u take each out there comfort zone, they both suck unfortunately.
Alex when he becomes a not give a f**k guy, he does pretty damn good. Troy when running that play action, or escaping the pocket, he looks like a watered down version of Vick (not alike because, he cant throw from the pocket or has the speed Vick has).

But when Alex thinks too much, he just looks horrible. And with Troy u turn him into a pocket/shotgun passer, and he just looks uncomfortable, which is why the holding onto the ball too long, and taking tons of sacks.

So i think the article does a pretty good job of stating why deciding to go with Alex instead of Troy.

The article is based on the premise that winning still matters this season. And thats not the case at all. What exactly are we trying to achieve by starting Alex ? A winning record ? Playoff trip ? Superbowl ? Those were all aspirations at the beginning of the season. Regardless of who we played, those expectations were not met. If Alex Smith had shown signs of consistency during that tough stretch, I think a lot of people would have taken his side.......instead, he continued to make the same mistakes he's made in years past. In essence, you cant excuse his bad play because "our schedule was tougher". That was not a limitation we set for him when the season began.

Was he the sole cause behind all our failures ? No, he wasnt. But no one can argue that he was not part of the problem. Now we have to build for the FUTURE. It starts by evaluating who should stay and who should go. I think everyone knows that Alex stands as much chance of staying here as Sing does. If thats the case, then why even bother letting him play ?

But who is doing the evaluating? Nobody in the FO is guaranteed a job with the next guy.

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by baybreaker707:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=78589

Well i look at a lot of these writers in the same light other than both of the Matts.

Someone made one about Tim K, on Smith, so now here is one by lynch that talks about the comparisons made by both QB's.

And i just say if ur gonna take anyone's view on the subject then look at all views then make your assessment. Not just the one that we individually like the best that backs up the way we think.

I think this article did a good job in comparing the good and bad with both QB's.

I formed my own opinion on this subject and Tim K's comments fall right in line with them.

Like I said over and over this was the "Make or Break" year for Alex "No Excuses" but after going 1-5 here we are again with EXCUSES!!!

Now Troy comes in goes 3-2 (2 wins are against div. rivals) and at the very least put us in a position to talk playoffs. Yeah Troy needs lots of work but whoever believes that if Alex was under center at GreenBay with no Gore he would of pulled out the win needs a drug test.

You need a drug test if you think this lost season all lies on who was under center.

Then why make a QB change at this point? Why did they stick with Troy 2 games once Alex was healthy? Why the QB position is the only position being changed?
Obviously the team feels this season is not lost and the position is ONE of the main reasons (not the only reason)we are 4-8!

Now personally I feel this season is lost and going back to Alex won't make a difference.

You answered your own question. It doesn't matter who is/was under center, this team is only as good as they are coached. Once they learn a philosophy that will take ADVANTAGE of the players strengths they will look like a football team. Right now they have no ADVANTAGE whatsoever, because of a stubborn coach. If you go out and tell everyone what kind of team you are instead of being creative you will see negative results. It's like telling the enemy in a war that we're coming on this day at this time and straight to the front door. Instead of flanking around the sides and catching them when they're not expecting us.

I agree with you as far as the game plan and coaching but let me play Devil's advocate for those that think this season is not lost why go back to Alex? Since coaching and game planning are factors then why not stick with Troy who is 3-2 than Alex who is 1-5? With all these other factors how can you or anyone have confidence that Alex will overcome them and get the team 4 wins? Go with the Qb that got more wins inspite of Sing's coaching!

I'm not sure but I hope this is what's going to happen on Sunday. They're going to open up the playbook and in order for them to do that they need the QB that knows the entire playbook. If you noticed we have been running the same plays since Troy has been in (I swear I saw that TE screen to Walker like 6 times already). Now again this is what I hope is going to happen, Sing's Fhilisophy is to be thrown out the window. Alex and MJ are going to run the show on offense. MJ has a lot to gain with this game and nothing to lose so does Alex. If they can show they can work well together with the entire playbook for the next 4 games, maybe they will be working together in the future or working at all for that matter.

You know what that is a great response! I just hope you're right!

I'm not the only one that's been saying and hoping for this to happen. If this doesn't happen on Sunday I will be pissed. Singletary needs to put his pride aside and let the people working under him have a fighting chance for future employment with these last 4 games. His time is done here and I hope he does the right thing.

ZRF80 asked what is to be gained by playing Alex.

Well, who is making the decision? It is Singleatry, and his survival instincts are strong. He feels he needs to win as many games as possible at the end if he is to avert being fired. So, who does he feel is best equiped to pull his bacon out of the fire? You guessed it.

Originally posted by excelsior:
ZRF80 asked what is to be gained by playing Alex.

Well, who is making the decision? It is Singleatry, and his survival instincts are strong. He feels he needs to win as many games as possible at the end if he is to avert being fired. So, who does he feel is best equiped to pull his bacon out of the fire? You guessed it.

Agreed. All the more reason why its a BAD decision. It's a moronic decision made by a desperate coach who knows his ass is gone by season's end. He's trying to save his job by attempting to string together a few meaningless wins that wont help us build for next season.

It doesnt change the endpoint though: Alex Smith had his chance in SF, and he failed.

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:
This is the second time that Sing has pulled a QB with a winning record for Alex Smith. In hindsight, it was mistake pulling Hill, as Alex hasnt accomplished much for the team since.

Now we do the same with Troy. What makes you so certain that the results will be different this time as compared to every other time that Alex has come back on the field ?

The season is a wash. Alex Smith FAILED......not in comparison to Troy Smith or David Carr (as a lot of you are keen to compare him to those two), but rather to the rest of the league and what we expected from him. What this time should really be spent on is TALENT EVALUATION. It would have made more sense to assess Troy Smith and see whether or not he could play here as a backup, rather than start Alex so we can get more "wins".

Sing obviously doesnt get it.......and its apparent some of you dont either.

Now we cant fault u for this comment, just make sure tho we put ourselves in that area as well. Anyone who has a comment on the Smith vs. Smith debate has their own outlook on the situation, and in my opinion, neither of us are spot on. Not just Sing, but MJ as well, wanted A. SMith in, so we cant be mad at them. Their the same group that put T. Smith in so, we cant b***h cuz we dont like the current move. And were happy with the one before.

Our problem is what i call smoke screening. Lets be real, u cant be a "true" fan, if u think that the early part of the schedule is the same as the second. Some may not like that fact, but it's true. Some may not like that the early part on we had more Raye, and second half more Johnson. YOu cant even doubt the fact that when something seemed to be working, for some reason we got away from what was working for us.

With our team, tell me u still didnt notice drops. LIke it or not, yes Troy Smith did have many WTF moments. ONly thing was that the luck fell his way, and aint no other way to say it. And thats not a bad thing because sometimes luck can be great when it falls our way.

Point is, the main article was written to those Troy and Alex apologists alike.

NOt too mention if u really watch, why do both players have two forms of each.

Meaning, when u take each out there comfort zone, they both suck unfortunately.
Alex when he becomes a not give a f**k guy, he does pretty damn good. Troy when running that play action, or escaping the pocket, he looks like a watered down version of Vick (not alike because, he cant throw from the pocket or has the speed Vick has).

But when Alex thinks too much, he just looks horrible. And with Troy u turn him into a pocket/shotgun passer, and he just looks uncomfortable, which is why the holding onto the ball too long, and taking tons of sacks.

So i think the article does a pretty good job of stating why deciding to go with Alex instead of Troy.

The article is based on the premise that winning still matters this season. And thats not the case at all. What exactly are we trying to achieve by starting Alex ? A winning record ? Playoff trip ? Superbowl ? Those were all aspirations at the beginning of the season. Regardless of who we played, those expectations were not met. If Alex Smith had shown signs of consistency during that tough stretch, I think a lot of people would have taken his side.......instead, he continued to make the same mistakes he's made in years past. In essence, you cant excuse his bad play because "our schedule was tougher". That was not a limitation we set for him when the season began.

Was he the sole cause behind all our failures ? No, he wasnt. But no one can argue that he was not part of the problem. Now we have to build for the FUTURE. It starts by evaluating who should stay and who should go. I think everyone knows that Alex stands as much chance of staying here as Sing does. If thats the case, then why even bother letting him play ?

^^This is spot on^^

This "tougher vs weaker schedule" thing is just another excuse being used in the so-called "No Excuses" year for Alex! The Alex supporters themselves proclaimed this at the beginning of this season and now their back with their annual Alexcuses!

I can't wait untill the end of the season when we will hear all the excuses why we should bring Alex back as a back-up or how we will suffer from him going to another team and lite it up! LOL!

I don't know why everyone is so sure we're going to win anymore games. People are talking like Alex has already won the game on Sunday.

This is another desperate attempt to save face by a desperate coach. If Alex plays like he has all season and we lose on Sunday this could backfire quick on Sing. So it really doesn't matter who is under center.

I know all the Alex fans are excited because they think Alex has a chance to prove himself again. OF course the season is done and you know as much about Alex as you will this offseason again.

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
I don't know why everyone is so sure we're going to win anymore games. People are talking like Alex has already won the game on Sunday.

This is another desperate attempt to save face by a desperate coach. If Alex plays like he has all season and we lose on Sunday this could backfire quick on Sing. So it really doesn't matter who is under center.

I know all the Alex fans are excited because they think Alex has a chance to prove himself again. OF course the season is done and you know as much about Alex as you will this offseason again.

I don't see anyone saying he's already won the game. I see a lot of people saying IF we are going to win the game certain things need to happen/change.