Is Singletary gone if we lose tonight?

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
I feel like a "We Want Gruden!" chant is brewing for Dec. 12

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Given the absolutely horrible track record of chants and decision making by 49er fans...I hope they keep their mouth shut.

THIS!!!!!

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
If we get embarrased probably.

This kind of just hit me, if the Niners score zero point weeks in a row and get humiliated on national television. I could actually see it happening.

FML.

Originally posted by Lifer:
You have to ask yourself why you want to fire your Head Coach, and what exactly is to be gained by making a move in week 11 of the season.

1.) On the job audition for HC? - Nope. It made sense for Dallas but not for us.
2.) Save your Head Coach from further humiliation? – This is a viable reason IMO. I don’t hate Singletary; I just want to replace him. Watching any man repeatedly embarrassed and beaten is no fun.
3.) Save the locker room, set the tone for next year? – I’m not convinced that the locker room needs saving or that firing the HC will have a positive impact on the players.
4.) Visceral, reactionary response to all the losing? – This is the worst possible reason to fire a coach IMHO. It lacks intelligence, direction, or planning.
5.) Throw a bone to the fans, show them that you’re going to make moves to fix things? – Playing to the rabble is the definition of poor leadership. The end of the season is only 5 weeks away. Do your homework, make your plans, lay the groundwork, and make your moves at the end of the season. If you make the right moves, the fans will be on board.

I think this has been our problem every year. We need to demoralize the locker room so that the next coach can come in and tell the players to get off their high horse of off season excitement, expectations, and self divisional crowning. Tell them they suck so bad that they are averaging less than 7 wins a season and things need to change and mentality needs to change.

This team has been the epitome of season-ending excitement for next year so it makes little changes in actually improving. This teams needs to understand that they need a new mentality and new way of doing things or they will suck again.

f**k this end of year meaningless hope for next year thinking that the statistical measurements will automatically increase next year on the sole basis that it's a year later.

[ Edited by Joecool on Nov 29, 2010 at 12:38:59 ]

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Lifer:
You have to ask yourself why you want to fire your Head Coach, and what exactly is to be gained by making a move in week 11 of the season.

1.) On the job audition for HC? - Nope. It made sense for Dallas but not for us.
2.) Save your Head Coach from further humiliation? – This is a viable reason IMO. I don’t hate Singletary; I just want to replace him. Watching any man repeatedly embarrassed and beaten is no fun.
3.) Save the locker room, set the tone for next year? – I’m not convinced that the locker room needs saving or that firing the HC will have a positive impact on the players.
4.) Visceral, reactionary response to all the losing? – This is the worst possible reason to fire a coach IMHO. It lacks intelligence, direction, or planning.
5.) Throw a bone to the fans, show them that you’re going to make moves to fix things? – Playing to the rabble is the definition of poor leadership. The end of the season is only 5 weeks away. Do your homework, make your plans, lay the groundwork, and make your moves at the end of the season. If you make the right moves, the fans will be on board.

I think this has been our problem every year. We need to demoralize the locker room so that the next coach can come in and tell the players to get off their high horse of off season excitement, expectations, and self divisional crowning. Tell them they suck so bad that they are averaging less than 7 wins a season and things need to change and mentality needs to change.

This team has been the epitome of season-ending excitement for next year so it makes little changes in actually improving. This teams needs to understand that they need a new mentality and new way of doing things or they will suck again.

f**k this end of year meaningless hope for next year thinking that the statistical measurements will automatically increase next year on the sole basis that it's a year later.

Sad but true. Last thing I want to hear going into 2011 is this defense talking about being top 5.

They've been looking more like bottom 5!

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Lifer:
You have to ask yourself why you want to fire your Head Coach, and what exactly is to be gained by making a move in week 11 of the season.

1.) On the job audition for HC? - Nope. It made sense for Dallas but not for us.
2.) Save your Head Coach from further humiliation? – This is a viable reason IMO. I don’t hate Singletary; I just want to replace him. Watching any man repeatedly embarrassed and beaten is no fun.
3.) Save the locker room, set the tone for next year? – I’m not convinced that the locker room needs saving or that firing the HC will have a positive impact on the players.
4.) Visceral, reactionary response to all the losing? – This is the worst possible reason to fire a coach IMHO. It lacks intelligence, direction, or planning.
5.) Throw a bone to the fans, show them that you’re going to make moves to fix things? – Playing to the rabble is the definition of poor leadership. The end of the season is only 5 weeks away. Do your homework, make your plans, lay the groundwork, and make your moves at the end of the season. If you make the right moves, the fans will be on board.

I think this has been our problem every year. We need to demoralize the locker room so that the next coach can come in and tell the players to get off their high horse of off season excitement, expectations, and self divisional crowning. Tell them they suck so bad that they are averaging less than 7 wins a season and things need to change and mentality needs to change.

This team has been the epitome of season-ending excitement for next year so it makes little changes in actually improving. This teams needs to understand that they need a new mentality and new way of doing things or they will suck again.

f**k this end of year meaningless hope for next year thinking that the statistical measurements will automatically increase next year on the sole basis that it's a year later.

Sad but true. Last thing I want to hear going into 2011 is this defense talking about being top 5.

They've been looking more like bottom 5!

It's all Gore's fault. He started it with his 2000 yard prediction.

I actually feel bad for Sing! I wanted him to succeed but now all I want is a new head coach...

someone with winning experience!

WE SHOULD TELL ALL CARD FANS TO BOO SINGLETARY!!!!

Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
I actually feel bad for Sing! I wanted him to succeed but now all I want is a new head coach...

someone with winning experience!

I don't. He dug it himself.

YELL WE WANT GRUDEN IN THE STANDS TONIGHT!!!

Originally posted by FL9er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:


And I wouldn't want to work for someone who couldn't multi-task and that isn't bold/decisive in making decisions.

It's not difficult to replace your losing head coach with an interim staff member AND continue with your long-term head coaching "due diligence" at the same time. If you find doing both at the same time difficult, you don't belong in the NFL, much less in the business world in general.

You should always be in a rush to fire incompetent personnel. If you're slow and indecisive in this area, you pay the price. But in particular, when an NFL coach shows this level of incompetence, you MUST fire his ass and not wait until the end of the year. Doing so only reflects poorly on you...it shows you to be just as incompetent if not more so (not to mention, tone-deaf and stubborn to the point of ignorance) for allowing things to continue as they are.

Just my take.

Oh, I couldn't disagree with you more. I could just as easily argue that firing a HC without giving him a chance to turn things around reflects just as poorly on ownership as what you are suggesting. Jed HAS shown decisiveness by firing Nolan when McCloughan and his parents wouldn't. It has come out already (that Singletary is on the hot seat-back when the 49ers were 0-5). Realistically the 49ers are going nowhere. However with this division being so dreadful, the 49ers are still mathematically alive for the playoffs. Once the 49ers get to 3-10, 4-11 it makes sense to start planning for next year (as far as coaching changes), but at that point, you might as well wait until after the season. How you treat your employees goes a long way in attracting top candidates from outside the organization. The best thing Jed can do is keep quiet, publically support Sing, while doing his homework on a Gruden, Harbaugh, Shurmur (Rams OC), etc.

You really think Jon Gruden or Jim Harbaugh is going to take this job, with no QB, and owners that fire their coach every 2 years?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Apw3h9PruU5uoVsWZDgBy5RDubYF?slug=pfw-20101028_growing_apathy_could_be_49ers_biggest_problem

If Sing had shown over the last few years that he's organized, strategic (maybe even slightly innovative) and competent as a head coach, but it just wasn't translating into wins for some reason, I would completely and totally agree with your take. You give him the rest of the year to see if he can turn things around given the weakness of the division, etc., etc., etc.

However, you have to look at each personnel move/situation on its own merits. Singletary has shown a complete lack of competence since taking over on a full-time basis. From his inability to attract a decent OC (based mostly on his archaic approach to offense) to his lack of attention to game-preparation detail (constant head-set problems, inability to make in-game adjustments, indecisiveness about going for it/kicking FGs in key moments, etc.), his total bungling of the QB situation (relying solely on Alex with no real competition or reliable veteran as a backup) to his post-game incoherence and everything else in between.

There is almost nothing you can point to from a leadership standpoint that says, "this guy really knows what he's doing." Look at the things ex-players are saying about how poorly this team is run, and remember how quickly Kurt Warner realized that this was not the right place for him after spending only 45 minutes with the coach.

In normal circumstances, the right thing is to give your personnel the space to either succeed or fail. But when the "fail" is so obvious and so complete on just about every level (team record, schemes, philosophy, morale, on-field performance, feedback, and on and on and on), the person at the very top MUST act quickly and make a change. You signal to those still under you and those around you that incompetence will not be rewarded or tolerated around here.

And if that scares off prospective coaches/free agents, so be it.

[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Nov 29, 2010 at 13:51:18 ]

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
YELL WE WANT GRUDEN IN THE STANDS TONIGHT!!!

why?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
YELL WE WANT GRUDEN IN THE STANDS TONIGHT!!!

why?

Put Gruden on the spot with Jaws getting into the chant also.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by HaiGuise:

Sink or swim.

no wonder he wears a big cross made of wood!

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
YELL WE WANT GRUDEN IN THE STANDS TONIGHT!!!

why?

Put Gruden on the spot with Jaws getting into the chant also.

Not this week.