Singletary: Heitman's job in jeopardy

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:

Originally posted by WestCoast:
interesting...maybe someone should show sing the ball getting snapped 50 ft. over smith's head.

That was a costly mistake, but the line has looked a lot more stout in the middle with Baas. Don't just weigh the negative... that is a flawed way to evaluate.

i think thats cause we have anthony davis and iupati and coach salari than the fact we changed C

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Why would we "not mention" Snyder? He just had a great game. I'd rather have him start at RG vs. a guy coming off of a broken leg and hasn't played RG in who knows how long.

I wouldn't say great. He had a good game, but he had a false-start that cost ultimately cost us a first down. Okay, that's one mistake and perhaps overly nitpicky, but with Snyder the issue vs. Heitmann is consistency.

Heitmann can consistently play well. Snyder does not. More often than not, he's getting beat by simple moves on the inside, and doesn't play as well as Heitmann when it comes to the issue of leverage.

Unless the leg fracture is worse than we think, I would take Heitmann over both Rachal and Snyder, barring some miraculous turnaround in their play from what we're used to seeing over the past couple of years.

i think getting the plays earlier made a humongius difference in our whole offense more time to read the D more time to make adjustmenrs

IM LOVING THE WRISTBAND

i mad we didnt use it earlier

I think it also had a lot to do with Smith's ability to recognize the defense and make the right assignments, etc.

Agree, and that's a point I have argued with the idiots. If you give a QB time to read the D and make the proper adjustments the O will move effectively.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:

Originally posted by WestCoast:
interesting...maybe someone should show sing the ball getting snapped 50 ft. over smith's head.

That was a costly mistake, but the line has looked a lot more stout in the middle with Baas. Don't just weigh the negative... that is a flawed way to evaluate.

i think thats cause we have anthony davis and iupati and coach salari than the fact we changed C

I don't think we should be in any rush to bring back Heitmann from that injury anyway. We can evaluate Baas for another week or two, and make a decision at that point in time.

I found Maddog...



poor guy

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Joecool:
And Baas only played Center for one year in College. What's your point?

When he played RG, he was one of our best linemen. When he played Center, we couldn't gain 1 yard many, many times along with the front of the pocket being pushed back.

He would make for a very solid guard and do you actually think Chilo or Snyder are better RG's than what Heittman would provide us?

David Baas also had four pre-season games and first team repetitions to prepare for playing center. He essentially had six weeks to relearn the position. I'd argue that he still has quite a bit of work to do. I'm not opposed to allowing Baas continued repetitions at center, but moving Heitmann to Guard at this stage of his career would be foolish. This isn't Madden Football.

What makes you think Heitmann would be a better Guard than Center, if David Baas couldn't play Guard?

Oh, that's right. Your own personal bias.

You mean people can only post FACTS here? Might as well shut down this OPINION/discussion board. BTW, you didn't have to write "own" or "personal", you could have just written "your bias"-- kinda redundant, no? Be extra careful with your own writing if you are going to call someone dumb. Just common sense.

People are hoping I'm going to weigh in on the matter, but there isn't much to say until Heitmann is healthy and ready to go. There won't be a decision for weeks.

The bottom line is that the line stunk last week against the Seahawks, including Baas. This week, Baas' first quarter snap is still orbiting the earth, but he played pretty well in the second half. As stated before, he is still not driving anyone off the line (Gore's yards were off-tackle last night). On the flip side, he did a nice job with Smith last night with blitz pick-up. Baas was the weak link on the OL last night.

In the end, a healthy Heitmann is still superior to Baas. This team will only get better when he returns.

Finally, there is way too much overreaction over the Niners OL right now. This was one game, which was preceded last week by a huge turd-laying. Let's wait a couple more weeks before calling Canton. The board is primed for a massive letdown next week. We just aren't this good at this point. Sorry.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Why would we "not mention" Snyder? He just had a great game. I'd rather have him start at RG vs. a guy coming off of a broken leg and hasn't played RG in who knows how long.

This.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Why would we "not mention" Snyder? He just had a great game. I'd rather have him start at RG vs. a guy coming off of a broken leg and hasn't played RG in who knows how long.

I wouldn't say great. He had a good game, but he had a false-start that cost ultimately cost us a first down. Okay, that's one mistake and perhaps overly nitpicky, but with Snyder the issue vs. Heitmann is consistency.

Heitmann can consistently play well. Snyder does not. More often than not, he's getting beat by simple moves on the inside, and doesn't play as well as Heitmann when it comes to the issue of leverage.

Unless the leg fracture is worse than we think, I would take Heitmann over both Rachal and Snyder, barring some miraculous turnaround in their play from what we're used to seeing over the past couple of years.

i think getting the plays earlier made a humongius difference in our whole offense more time to read the D more time to make adjustmenrs

IM LOVING THE WRISTBAND

i mad we didnt use it earlier

I think it also had a lot to do with Smith's ability to recognize the defense and make the right assignments, etc.

thats what i meant by reading the D i thought our o line just flat out sucked against seattle but i can see that letting alex read the D to make adjustments makes a huge difference

Just put him back at center. We can count on him to not snap the ball over the QBs head for a safety.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Rachal sucks. I'm sick of waiting. He needs to be on the bench. I don't care if it's Snyder or Heitmann but I vote for a new RG.

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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
... But quite feasibly at guard, rather than center.

In case you didn't read the name of who's posting this and just assumed because the word "Heitmann" was in the title, that this is a MadDog post, this is in fact not MadDog. So please, feel free to hate on me instead. Fling mud. Cry. Scream. Kick yourself into a circle on the floor. Whatever makes you feel better.

But to the point -- let's be real folks, regardless of what Baas does, Heitmann has proven himself far too valuable a player to keep on he bench. He has three Bob McKittrick awards for a reason. For those who have forgotten, Heitmann started his career at guard and played very well there. Chilo Rachal has not lived up to expectations thus far, and now he's hurt. Considering the fact that we've already started making changes, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Heitmann in there at guard if they like Baas too much to pull him. Rachal is running out of time.

Another option is Heitmann returning to center, and Baas sliding over to guard, but if the team chemistry continues to grow, the first option I mentioned previously would probably be the better way to go.

Let's not even talk about Adam Snyder.. He's the last option in all of this.

All this "Heitmann is losing his spot" stuff means next to nothing. With a struggling Rachal, an extremely mediocre Snyder, and not to mention Baas' injury history, I think we can bank on Heitmann starting again -- somewhere -- this season.

I wholeheartedly agree with this post. The only weak link I can see in our line is RG and if we insert Heitmann there, our line will be rock solid. Heitmann has been a model of consistency since he's been in the league and given his smarts and work ethic, I have no doubt he will smoothly make the transition back to guard.

Snyder did have a good game, but 1) he is more valuable as the 6th offensive lineman because of his versatility and 2) he does not have the consistency and skills to be a starter in this league. I believe the coaches came to this conclusion last year which is why we drafted our starting LG and RT in the first round.

Whatever gets the best players on the field.

Originally posted by 49ersRednGold:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
... But quite feasibly at guard, rather than center.

In case you didn't read the name of who's posting this and just assumed because the word "Heitmann" was in the title, that this is a MadDog post, this is in fact not MadDog. So please, feel free to hate on me instead. Fling mud. Cry. Scream. Kick yourself into a circle on the floor. Whatever makes you feel better.

But to the point -- let's be real folks, regardless of what Baas does, Heitmann has proven himself far too valuable a player to keep on he bench. He has three Bob McKittrick awards for a reason. For those who have forgotten, Heitmann started his career at guard and played very well there. Chilo Rachal has not lived up to expectations thus far, and now he's hurt. Considering the fact that we've already started making changes, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Heitmann in there at guard if they like Baas too much to pull him. Rachal is running out of time.

Another option is Heitmann returning to center, and Baas sliding over to guard, but if the team chemistry continues to grow, the first option I mentioned previously would probably be the better way to go.

Let's not even talk about Adam Snyder.. He's the last option in all of this.

All this "Heitmann is losing his spot" stuff means next to nothing. With a struggling Rachal, an extremely mediocre Snyder, and not to mention Baas' injury history, I think we can bank on Heitmann starting again -- somewhere -- this season.

I wholeheartedly agree with this post. The only weak link I can see in our line is RG and if we insert Heitmann there, our line will be rock solid. Heitmann has been a model of consistency since he's been in the league and given his smarts and work ethic, I have no doubt he will smoothly make the transition back to guard.

Snyder did have a good game, but 1) he is more valuable as the 6th offensive lineman because of his versatility and 2) he does not have the consistency and skills to be a starter in this league. I believe the coaches came to this conclusion last year which is why we drafted our starting LG and RT in the first round.

Exactly. Snyder is kind of just the last guy in the rotation at every spot. If I recall, Boone is even listed ahead at RT.

It's going to be very interesting to see what they do when Heitmann is healthy. I just don't think they'll be able to place him on the bench. A guy like that, who you know could upgrade the line, especially at RG, you can't keep him out of games.

We're not overvaluing Heitmann here, we're just talking about what's best for the team overall. Although at the same time, I think Heitmann is very much one of the most underrated players on the team and has been for quite some time.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
People are hoping I'm going to weigh in on the matter, but there isn't much to say until Heitmann is healthy and ready to go. There won't be a decision for weeks.

The bottom line is that the line stunk last week against the Seahawks, including Baas. This week, Baas' first quarter snap is still orbiting the earth, but he played pretty well in the second half. As stated before, he is still not driving anyone off the line (Gore's yards were off-tackle last night). On the flip side, he did a nice job with Smith last night with blitz pick-up. Baas was the weak link on the OL last night.

In the end, a healthy Heitmann is still superior to Baas. This team will only get better when he returns.

Finally, there is way too much overreaction over the Niners OL right now. This was one game, which was preceded last week by a huge turd-laying. Let's wait a couple more weeks before calling Canton. The board is primed for a massive letdown next week. We just aren't this good at this point. Sorry.

I agree the line is likely not to be as good next week as they were against the Saints, but there is still hope. One wonders how different the Seattle game might have been had the 9ers not repeatedly shot themselves in the foot during that first half. They controlled the ball on offense (early), not unlike they did against the Saints, but just came up lame in (or near) the red zone, also like the Saints game. The line appears to be moving people, which is a welcome change from last year.

If this actually happens, Singletary is more clueless than I thought. Heitmann is far and away superior.

The real battle should be at RG, where the trio of suck (Baas, Rachal, Snyder) will/should duke it out.