Can you see Zeigler becoming our #2?

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
Anyway, I'm high on Zeigler, and up and down with Morgan - mostly because of his inconsistency. What do you guys think, is there any chance Ziggy passes Morgan on the depth chart? I'm interested in hearing other fans' feedback.

I believe Dominique Zeigler has tremendous potential in the slot, but absolutely none as an every down receiver at Split End or Flanker. His inability to block is a liability for a team that plans on balancing the pass and run effectively.

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
In two seasons (28 games) Josh Morgan has 72 receptions for 846 yards and 6 TDs. They're not terrible numbers, but they're not great either. They break down to 2.5 receptions and 30 yards per game with a less than 25% chance of catching a TD pass.

This statement is incorrect.

Josh Morgan started just one game in 2008.

Singletary switched Morgan to Flanker after the first six games in 2009. He would then go five additional games before recording more than four receptions, doubling his average within the same span.

I'm not ready to write him off after 12 Starts at Flanker.

Do we know that Zeigler "can't block" or is this just a belief held by the NT? Regardless, I think it is in our interest to have the best route runners and pass catchers on the field at the WR position, not the best blocking WRs...

habe you seen his size if he can block a CB that CB needs to be cut from the team i wouldnt put it past it that he is the lightest player in the nfl

Someone already pointed out that he is about the same size as Bruce and Rice. I don't recall them being liabilities on the field.

hes 20 pounds less than rice

Originally posted by Allx9er:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Hes doing well enough to be the 6th receiver no more. I still think Jason Hill is much better receiver than whats been going on this preseason. Oh well if Zeigler or Hill are released, if I were them I would try and hit up Chicago for a job. They seem to be a lot more comfortable in Martz' offense.

Chicago has a lot better receivers than us, so I doubt they're in need. But I do agree on Hill. I prefer him over Morgan as well, but all accounts make it seem as if he is on his way out. My money says he ends up on the Hawks if he gets cut.

i know we dont have the best core but to say that chicago's wrs are a lot better is a stretch

Yeah, to say Chicago has "a lot" better receivers than anybody seems a stretch.

i quick note for u guys that dont understand football is still a business the only reason zeigler was on practice squad last yr was caz he got hurt also had he a played in 9 games instead of 8 in 2008 he wouldd have made the roster. but since he was still eligible for practice squad 49ers hid he there he's been outplaying other receivers for last 2 yrs but there salaries kept them on field so now bruce gone and they cut jones his time is here let the kid play he'll surprise all u haters .

Originally posted by oxford2517:
i quick note for u guys that dont understand football is still a business the only reason zeigler was on practice squad last yr was caz he got hurt also had he a played in 9 games instead of 8 in 2008 he wouldd have made the roster. but since he was still eligible for practice squad 49ers hid he there he's been outplaying other receivers for last 2 yrs but there salaries kept them on field so now bruce gone and they cut jones his time is here let the kid play he'll surprise all u haters .

no one is hating on him every1 thinks hes a reliable WR however he hasnt proved much at all and morgan is much better at this point and has proved much more

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Hes doing well enough to be the 6th receiver no more. I still think Jason Hill is much better receiver than whats been going on this preseason. Oh well if Zeigler or Hill are released, if I were them I would try and hit up Chicago for a job. They seem to be a lot more comfortable in Martz' offense.

Zeigler > Hill.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by oxford2517:
i quick note for u guys that dont understand football is still a business the only reason zeigler was on practice squad last yr was caz he got hurt also had he a played in 9 games instead of 8 in 2008 he wouldd have made the roster. but since he was still eligible for practice squad 49ers hid he there he's been outplaying other receivers for last 2 yrs but there salaries kept them on field so now bruce gone and they cut jones his time is here let the kid play he'll surprise all u haters .

no one is hating on him every1 thinks hes a reliable WR however he hasnt proved much at all and morgan is much better at this point and has proved much more

Morgan has proven very little on the field. Don't fool yourself. I like Josh Morgan, but he is overrated here.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by oxford2517:
i quick note for u guys that dont understand football is still a business the only reason zeigler was on practice squad last yr was caz he got hurt also had he a played in 9 games instead of 8 in 2008 he wouldd have made the roster. but since he was still eligible for practice squad 49ers hid he there he's been outplaying other receivers for last 2 yrs but there salaries kept them on field so now bruce gone and they cut jones his time is here let the kid play he'll surprise all u haters .

no one is hating on him every1 thinks hes a reliable WR however he hasnt proved much at all and morgan is much better at this point and has proved much more

Morgan has proven very little on the field. Don't fool yourself. I like Josh Morgan, but he is overrated here.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by oxford2517:
i quick note for u guys that dont understand football is still a business the only reason zeigler was on practice squad last yr was caz he got hurt also had he a played in 9 games instead of 8 in 2008 he wouldd have made the roster. but since he was still eligible for practice squad 49ers hid he there he's been outplaying other receivers for last 2 yrs but there salaries kept them on field so now bruce gone and they cut jones his time is here let the kid play he'll surprise all u haters .

no one is hating on him every1 thinks hes a reliable WR however he hasnt proved much at all and morgan is much better at this point and has proved much more

Morgan has proven very little on the field. Don't fool yourself. I like Josh Morgan, but he is overrated here.

The thing that scares me about Josh is he used to be a lot more explosive. Don't any of you guys remember his rookie year? His average yards/reception was 16, last year it was only 10, and this year he's struggled to get open during the preseason. Last offseason he looked stronger but probably slower, and he's probably placing too much of an emphasis on being a good blocking WR rather than being an explosive WR to take advantage of his hops.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by oxford2517:
i quick note for u guys that dont understand football is still a business the only reason zeigler was on practice squad last yr was caz he got hurt also had he a played in 9 games instead of 8 in 2008 he wouldd have made the roster. but since he was still eligible for practice squad 49ers hid he there he's been outplaying other receivers for last 2 yrs but there salaries kept them on field so now bruce gone and they cut jones his time is here let the kid play he'll surprise all u haters .

no one is hating on him every1 thinks hes a reliable WR however he hasnt proved much at all and morgan is much better at this point and has proved much more

Morgan has proven very little on the field. Don't fool yourself. I like Josh Morgan, but he is overrated here.

The thing that scares me about Josh is he used to be a lot more explosive. Don't any of you guys remember his rookie year? His average yards/reception was 16, last year it was only 10, and this year he's struggled to get open during the preseason. Last offseason he looked stronger but probably slower, and he's probably placing too much of an emphasis on being a good blocking WR rather than being an explosive WR to take advantage of his hops.

Morgan has never been explosive. He's always been slow.

How can any one evaluate Zeigler from his pre-seasons and practice squad experience. I think Ziggy has some potential and most importantly the QB's are comfortable throwing to him because he runs good routes and is aggressive towards getting the ball and he has shown great leaping ability and then add in that he is fearless about going anywhere. I just wish Ziggy could block as well as Morgan.

I am just not convinced that Morgan is either , we may still not have a true #2.

Originally posted by 49ERwhiner:
How can any one evaluate Zeigler from his pre-seasons and practice squad experience. I think Ziggy has some potential and most importantly the QB's are comfortable throwing to him because he runs good routes and is aggressive towards getting the ball and he has great leaping ability and then add in he is fearless about going anywhere. I wish Ziggy could block as well as Morgan.

I am just not convinced that Morgan is either , we may still not have a true #2.

We definitely don't.

Originally posted by znk916:
As a receiver I think he's arguably better than Morgan already, but factor in the blocking and I think that's what is keeping Morgan ahead for the time being.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by oxford2517:
i quick note for u guys that dont understand football is still a business the only reason zeigler was on practice squad last yr was caz he got hurt also had he a played in 9 games instead of 8 in 2008 he wouldd have made the roster. but since he was still eligible for practice squad 49ers hid he there he's been outplaying other receivers for last 2 yrs but there salaries kept them on field so now bruce gone and they cut jones his time is here let the kid play he'll surprise all u haters .

no one is hating on him every1 thinks hes a reliable WR however he hasnt proved much at all and morgan is much better at this point and has proved much more

If you read some of the post regarding Zig's height and weight, I think there are haters or doubters. OX makes an excellent point and I agree with his post. Its time to let Zig play either ST, 2nd, 3rd or 4th receiver. IMO Hill has ran out of time to prove he belongs on the team.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by oxford2517:
i quick note for u guys that dont understand football is still a business the only reason zeigler was on practice squad last yr was caz he got hurt also had he a played in 9 games instead of 8 in 2008 he wouldd have made the roster. but since he was still eligible for practice squad 49ers hid he there he's been outplaying other receivers for last 2 yrs but there salaries kept them on field so now bruce gone and they cut jones his time is here let the kid play he'll surprise all u haters .

no one is hating on him every1 thinks hes a reliable WR however he hasnt proved much at all and morgan is much better at this point and has proved much more

Wait, what has Josh Morgan proven? Are we ready to crown this man as "the #2" for the SF 49ers? Are we sure we can't get better production from a player that is already on the lineup?

Ziggy will be the #4 WR. Not to make excuses for Morgan but in preseason with Crabs out, he's going against the #1 CB more often and could explain why he's not winning more battles. He's good enough to beat #2 CB's but he isn't on the same level of Crabs or other #1 WR's. The good news is that Zig has been winning his battles against the #2 & #3 CB's, so there's no doubt he is a capable backup.

In the end we are a running team so the coaches are probly putting a premium on blocking ability. If we turn into the Saints then maybe Morgan starts slipping, but we aren't so just gotta deal with it.